[HN Gopher] Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Bri...
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       Mysterious Stone Orbs Stashed All over Neolithic Britain
        
       Author : samizdis
       Score  : 63 points
       Date   : 2021-10-02 11:26 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | memorylane wrote:
       | I listened to a Sean Carrol Mindscape podcast recently concerning
       | Memory Palaces that have been used ubiquitously by ancient
       | peoples. The theory goes that when people started settling down,
       | the did not travel extensively and could no longer effectively
       | use country for the palace in their mind. They therefore made
       | physical objects with distinctive surfaces to serve as the
       | physical part of a memory palace. This is well documented for
       | Australian aborigines and native Anerican peoples who you can
       | just ask. There are no equivalent populations in Europe to ask
       | directly.
       | 
       | Once writing/printing became commonplace these practices were
       | abandoned.
       | 
       | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fYhVkbzr60E
       | 
       | Edit: add YouTube link.
        
       | rawoke083600 wrote:
       | anunaki-mass-storage devices !!
        
       | h2odragon wrote:
       | Even when the only possible "consumer goods" was a rock, there
       | were luxury rocks.
       | 
       | "What were they used for?" is asked like there's only one answer.
       | They were probably used for anything else a rock is useful for,
       | but being nicely sized for a hand, pretty, etc made them easier
       | to use, more effective, or just flashier.
       | 
       | AFAIK the class of objects referred to here don't share a lot of
       | qualities that would make them a class in other contexts; there's
       | no single shape, some have wear that may indicate original uses,
       | etc etc. It just appears to be some of the early personal
       | artifacts that people valued that are durable enough to see
       | today.
        
         | INTPenis wrote:
         | Even today people collect nice looking rocks, or minerals even.
         | And I know that poor people would leave pebbles at altars when
         | doing pilgrimage. So is it really so far fetched to say that
         | these rocks were tactile enough for someone to keep them?
        
         | Zuider wrote:
         | They are all roughly spherical, so they could be cooking
         | stones. Heated in a fire, they can be then rolled into a pit
         | which contains the food and water, allowing the food to be
         | boiled slowly without burning.
         | 
         | https://www.thoughtco.com/stone-boiling-ancient-cooking-meth...
        
           | gerdesj wrote:
           | "Also, most of the 20 balls that have been found in the
           | Orkney Islands are carved and etched with patterns and
           | designs. These, on the other hand, were polished smooth."
           | 
           | It seems that these orbs are "complicated". A cooking stone
           | as you describe is unlikely to be decorated. Do you inscribe
           | your kettle! I have never heard of a quern being decorated
           | either.
        
             | heavyset_go wrote:
             | Major religions and people of the past found great
             | significance in their food and sources of food, so I
             | wouldn't find it strange that significance and
             | ornamentation would be applied to what's used to prepare
             | that food.
        
         | ganonm wrote:
         | To provide some contemporary evidence to support your
         | hypothesis that "there were luxury rocks" and that humans would
         | be interested in such things, here is a gallery of various
         | skins for a handheld rock in the videogame Rust. One of them
         | costs $68
         | 
         | https://rust.esportinfo.gg/skins/tools/rock
         | 
         | Humans haven't changed all that much since the Neolithic...
        
         | cloudking wrote:
         | Now we have valuable digital rocks https://etherrock.com/
         | 
         | Full circle?
        
           | edoceo wrote:
           | Oh, that's not a joke.
        
         | progre wrote:
         | All my kids have brought home rocks that were deemed special in
         | some way when they where about 5 years old . I guess at that
         | age we somehow start to get around the idea of "owning" things
         | in a more involved way, and it feels nice to have something
         | special, like a nice round rock. Maybe stonage kids felt that
         | way too.
        
           | h2odragon wrote:
           | My child is a teen now. The last time I said to her, "hey i
           | found this cool rock, you want it?" was last week :)
        
             | 123pie123 wrote:
             | I still like looking at nice interesting rocks or pebbles
             | and I'm way older than a teenager
             | 
             | finding the pure white and very black ones and arranging
             | them in patterns or matching piles is some what
             | interesting*
             | 
             | *when I'm forced to go to a beach and told to enjoy myself
             | for hours on end whilst looking after the kids
        
           | anonporridge wrote:
           | It's probably an evolutionary adaptation.
           | 
           | Whenever we humans find something unique or special, we
           | either take it and store it somewhere safe or mark it on a
           | map. The prehistoric individuals who did that would be more
           | likely to happen to have _just_ the right thing for surprise
           | challenges. They would then have an advantage over those who
           | didn 't care about special things, because by definition
           | they're hard to come by. And those surprise challenges often
           | have asymmetric upside for those who have a solution, because
           | everyone else is desperate for a solution or because they can
           | solve the problem drastically more efficiently that everyone
           | else.
           | 
           | At the same time, mundane things aren't worth collecting
           | because it's easy for anyone to go out and get it, so there
           | exists no advantage for the collector.
           | 
           | Therefore, if individuals who collected rare things ended up
           | with more resources, power, and the resulting reproductive
           | success, it also makes sense that young humans would do the
           | same early on and that collecting rare things regardless of
           | their utility is one of the most important status signals.
        
           | pengaru wrote:
           | There's a rock shop in Joshua Tree that regularly has a line
           | out the door on weekends, or at least did pre-pandemic.
        
       | mtw wrote:
       | Why not used as currency
        
       | mikewarot wrote:
       | My first thought was they were found glacial erratic spheres,
       | which could have been traded, or used as a talisman of luck.
       | 
       | Alternatively, they were shaped by hand, though I'd expect them
       | to be smoother if that were the case.
       | 
       | The question is, how closely do the sizes of the two objects
       | match? If it's within a few percent, they are unlikely to be
       | found objects.
        
         | blincoln wrote:
         | > Alternatively, they were shaped by hand, though I'd expect
         | them to be smoother if that were the case.
         | 
         | Maybe they were a way of marking the passage of time in one's
         | life? If the owners made a tiny amount of progress toward a
         | sphere shape every day (or week/month/etc.), only the oldest
         | folks would end up buried with one that looked like a sphere.
         | All of the others would look more like normal rocks, and
         | probably be ignored if they were found while digging.
         | 
         | Two of them together, with roughly the same amount of
         | smoothing, might mean a couple was originally buried there. The
         | second one could also have belonged to a grieving spouse or
         | relative, or even be a trophy taken from an enemy.
        
       | 34679 wrote:
       | Stone Spheres of Costa Rica:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_spheres_of_Costa_Rica
        
       | Gravityloss wrote:
       | Carving stone from a giant's kettle?
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_kettle#/media/File:G...
        
       | staplung wrote:
       | Come on _scientists_...they're obviously petrified Pokeballs.
        
       | rhplus wrote:
       | Why does it have to be "mysterious"? Making balls is one of the
       | most innate and pleasant artistic things humans can do with their
       | hands.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorodango
        
       | pixel_tracing wrote:
       | Reminds me of shotput maybe it was used in a sport?
        
       | detritus wrote:
       | Given how popular lawn bowls is in Scotland, I'm surprised no one
       | appears to have considered these objects might be part of some
       | game or sport. To this day, people take their fandom to their
       | grave, why not then too?
        
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       | tyleo wrote:
       | Be careful. Not all of them are accounted for.
        
       | yosito wrote:
       | Orbs, plural, but the linked article only has a photo of one of
       | them.
        
         | gennarro wrote:
         | Came here to say the same. Really disappointing - I wanted to
         | see the cache and instead I got one rock that sort of looked
         | like what I was expecting.
        
         | progre wrote:
         | Also, that one photo makes it look like it's not a deliberately
         | polished stone, more like a regular wave polished beach rock.
        
       | sherr wrote:
       | There are a lot of these carved stone balls around but mainly in
       | Scotland. They are very mysterious: no one really knows what they
       | are or why they were created.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carved_stone_balls
        
         | Zuider wrote:
         | In paleolithic Ireland, such stones were used for cooking. They
         | would be heated to a high temperature in a fire, and then
         | rolled into a pit containing water to boil food.
        
       | dreyfan wrote:
       | The original NFT
        
       | drewcoo wrote:
       | No mention of lawn bowls in the article?
       | 
       | https://www.jackhighbowls.com/help/history-of-lawn-bowls
        
       | c3534l wrote:
       | Describing a few round rocks as a "mysterious stone orb" seems a
       | bit dramatic.
        
       | spython wrote:
       | Reminds me of Dorodango, the Japanese art of making mud balls.
       | https://www.laurenceking.com/blog/2019/09/26/dorodango-blog/
        
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