[HN Gopher] The median voter is a 50-something white person who ...
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       The median voter is a 50-something white person who didn't go to
       college
        
       Author : paulpauper
       Score  : 33 points
       Date   : 2021-10-03 19:35 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | zw123456 wrote:
       | My view on the problem with politics today is that people have
       | started to view it as sport, not selecting competent people to
       | represent you for law making. I call it Political Face Painting.
       | Like the guy who paints his face the colors of his favorite team
       | when s/he goes to the game. That's cool, if you want to paint
       | your face to go to a ball game, drink beer and scream your head
       | off, great, no problem. But it seems like that mentality has
       | crept into politics where you now have people paint their face
       | red or blue and view it as a competition between parties. That
       | will not end well in my view.
        
         | twofornone wrote:
         | >My view on the problem with politics today is that people have
         | started to view it as sport
         | 
         | The average person is simply unable to evaluate competence,
         | especially from news clips and "debates". The median voter is
         | not a highly competitive white collar knowledge worker with a
         | background in STEM necessary to evaluate complex topics with
         | objectivity. Instead its the fry cook, the retail worker, the
         | warehouse stocker, blue collar tradesman, liberal arts
         | graduate, etc.
         | 
         | What really happened was that the pool of politically active
         | citizens expanded, and now because of the shape of the normal
         | distribution we are dealing with a sort of political endless
         | summer - which media in particular are all too eager to take
         | advantage of for political power.
        
           | bko wrote:
           | > The median voter is not a highly competitive white collar
           | knowledge worker with a background in STEM necessary to
           | evaluate complex topics with objectivity
           | 
           | I'm more scared about highly competitive knowledge people
           | with STEM degrees making political decisions. They might be
           | naive enough to think they can engineer society to fit their
           | whims with no unintended consequences.
        
           | desine wrote:
           | The tradesmen likely know more about the logistical structure
           | of a functioning society than most STEM employees, who too
           | often live in ivory towers.
           | 
           | The restaurant staff often know more about human nature and
           | behavior than the Psychiatrist who's been trained to see all
           | our flaws as chemical imbalances to be fixed.
           | 
           | Comments like yours are increasing the divide in this
           | country, and are deeply problematic.
        
           | Retric wrote:
           | It's really not about STEM vs cook. Voters are stuck
           | compressing a huge range of choices into a single vote which
           | creates horrific incentives for politicians. You can piss off
           | huge swaths of the population as long as you can just squeeze
           | through enough voters it doesn't matter. Toss in a little
           | inequality in how much each vote counts and things get much
           | much worse.
           | 
           | Consider what would happen if rather than voting for your
           | favorite you subtracted points from the candidate you dislike
           | the most. It's not better but suddenly everyone wants to be
           | an inoffensive centrist. Which just shows how much incentives
           | influence the system.
        
         | planet-and-halo wrote:
         | Matt Taibbi (and others) compare it to Pro Wrestling. Which is
         | actually kind of a cool thing, and gets dumped on way too
         | unfairly in general as an art form. But as a model for
         | politics, oh god, please, no. The guy with the nuclear launch
         | codes should not be the best entertainer.
        
         | ergot_vacation wrote:
         | There is no "selection process." The only people eligible to
         | participate in federal "democracy" are already rich, powerful,
         | and well-connected. The voters then "choose," in primaries and
         | elections, based mostly on who has the best marketing, which is
         | again a function of wealth and power. Occasionally participants
         | in this process will throw ordinary citizens a bone as part of
         | the marketing, but even these gestures are largely emaciated
         | and performative. There's not some solemn exercise of civic
         | duty going on.
         | 
         | 2,000 years ago people born into wealth and power fought
         | amongst each other for leadership and control while the
         | population simply learned to live with the results. The only
         | thing that has changed since is that the process has been
         | optimized: less bloodshed, less constant dramatic upheaval, the
         | hills and valleys leveled a bit. This benefits everyone,
         | including those on top. But let's not pretend we're engaged in
         | some grand experiment for the betterment of mankind. We're
         | living in a plutocracy. Always have, always will.
        
           | heavyset_go wrote:
           | > _2,000 years ago people born into wealth and power fought
           | amongst each other for leadership and control while the
           | population simply learned to live with the results._
           | 
           | 2,000 years ago even the plebeians had the right to vote.
           | 
           | > _We 're living in a plutocracy._
           | 
           | Agreed.
        
       | vsskanth wrote:
       | This isn't useful. Control of Congress in the US isn't dictated
       | by which wins the popular vote.
       | 
       | I want to know who is the median voter group most likely to hand
       | over control of the House, Senate and Presidency.
        
         | BurningFrog wrote:
         | I'd call that the "swing voter group".
        
         | willis936 wrote:
         | Of those, the one that is most decoupled from the popular vote
         | is the Senate. For that the best thing to do is to weight the
         | stats inversely proportional to the state population. I think
         | you'll find that the median voter in that case is a very
         | 50-something very white person who really didn't go to college.
        
       | nickm12 wrote:
       | Point notwithstanding, this article says that its own title is
       | wrong: "Non-college whites over 50 are a minority of the
       | electorate".
        
       | Imnimo wrote:
       | I don't understand why I would care about the median national
       | voter. Shouldn't political parties focus on winning specific
       | state-level races, both for congress and president? The national
       | popular vote is meaningless.
        
       | twa999 wrote:
       | that's one of the reasons why this guy wants to import 700
       | million new voters.
        
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       | reillyse wrote:
       | I feel like this article exposes a huge fallacy in how people
       | think about politics in the US. Politics isn't a horse race. It's
       | not about winning. It's about making the country a better place
       | by enacting laws and making sure everything runs correctly.
       | 
       | If you win the election but make the country a worse place,
       | you've still lost.
        
         | akomtu wrote:
         | These days politics in the US is a ship without a captain
         | visionary where two highly antagonistic teams of sailors fight
         | for the right to steer the wheel, and when a sailor of one team
         | gets to grab the wheel, he promptly appoints his cronies on all
         | important posts, while the other team barricades the kitchen
         | and sabotages whatever the first team tries to do. As you might
         | expect, the ship's trajectory is rather unpredictable and it's
         | a miracle it's staying afloat at all.
        
           | gwbrooks wrote:
           | The whole point of federalism is that no single "captain
           | visionary" has enough power to really enforce his/her will.
        
           | deelowe wrote:
           | The US government isn't supposed to be efficient. Quite the
           | opposite, really.
        
         | fullshark wrote:
         | But people disagree about what makes the country "a
         | better/worse place" and that disagreement leads to political
         | parties and the need to win to promote policies they agree
         | with. Just consider any wedge issue to see how this works, e.g.
         | abortion and the fight over supreme court justices as a result.
         | 
         | The issue is the rhetoric these days is dominated by useful
         | idiots online spouting talking points and propaganda to the
         | point that "debates" are nothing more than whatever scores
         | points (literally points = social media likes).
        
         | ergot_vacation wrote:
         | Politics is about making the country a better place FOR YOUR
         | GROUP, whatever that group may be. There are many groups, with
         | competing, incompatible definitions of "better." That's why
         | "politics" exists in the first place. It's not a bunch of
         | enlightened scholars competing to find the best solutions to
         | hard problems, it's any number of tribes fighting to secure a
         | piece of the pie for their people.
         | 
         | So yes, it's absolutely about winning. Losing means that your
         | group suffers, and eventually that your group (ideologic,
         | geographic, economic or, grimly, even ethnic) ceases to exist.
        
           | devtul wrote:
           | Reminds me of how important individual rights are, the
           | smallest and weakest group is yourself.
        
       | chiefalchemist wrote:
       | > Democrats today could improve their performance enormously if
       | every staffer's computer monitor had a Post-It stuck to it that
       | said "the median voter is a 50-something white person who didn't
       | go to college and lives in an unfashionable suburb.
       | 
       | The Blues should steal The Reds "theme song"? Aside from being a
       | marketing / identity mistake, this won't be true much longer. The
       | demographic trends seem to favor The Blues. That is, the country
       | is getting less white and more like the demos that tradionally
       | favor The Reds. Mind you, of course, not every one of these will
       | go Red, but unless there's some sort of crazy inversion, time
       | favors Team Red.
        
         | BurningFrog wrote:
         | Non white groups are also becoming more Republican, as seen in
         | the 2029 election.
        
       | h2odragon wrote:
       | Who cares about the voters? Please the donors and the media
       | barons and the Knights of Influence, and let them render all such
       | worries irrelevant.
       | 
       | The only reason to think of the voters is as a bugbear to keep
       | your own folks in line. If their behavior gets too egregious the
       | voters might wake up and realize "ants don't need to serve
       | grasshoppers" and then there's all sorts of fuss.
        
       | perl4ever wrote:
       | The typical voter didn't take a class in statistics. I know I
       | didn't.
       | 
       | As far as I know, 99.999999..% of the voters are not at the
       | median, so it escapes me why anyone should be concerned with the
       | person in the middle.
       | 
       | Also, what if the number of voters is _even_? Then there _is no
       | median voter_ , it's just an abstraction.
       | 
       | What is a median in multiple dimensions, anyway? Couldn't it
       | easily be far away from _any_ individual? There was a thing that
       | 's probably been on HN multiple times about how virtually nobody
       | is "normal" in, say, five or more characteristics at once.
        
         | usmannk wrote:
         | Is there a phrase coined for responding to the title of a post,
         | while ignoring all content?
        
           | BobbyJo wrote:
           | I mean, the title is often the most important part of a post.
           | It's a boiled down version of what the creator wants to
           | present to the world. In this case, it's a very badly boiled
           | down idea.
        
           | seattle_spring wrote:
           | I'd call that a "median comment."
        
         | BobbyJo wrote:
         | Also, I'd like to point out: "Median" is relative to the scale
         | you're plotting against. You can't combine multiple scales and
         | treat them as one. The median voter may be white on the scale
         | of race, may be 50 on the scale of age, may not be college
         | educated on the scale of education, but that doesn't mean half
         | the voting population is white, over 50, and not college
         | educated. If you naively combine the statistics for instance,
         | you wind up with that representing ~26% of voters (.74 * .56
         | *.63).
        
         | PeterisP wrote:
         | You might argue that targeting a representative/"median" voter
         | may a bit more effective than targeting the the average/mean
         | voter, who (as you may observe) has one testicle and one
         | breast, very unclear opinions on anything that matters, and is
         | even more unreal than any randomly sampled person
        
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