[HN Gopher] AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's comin... ___________________________________________________________________ AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next Author : cloudfalcon Score : 285 points Date : 2021-10-07 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (object-storage-name-generator.com) (TXT) w3m dump (object-storage-name-generator.com) | davidkuennen wrote: | That's why I like Google Cloud naming. Compute Engine, Cloud SQL, | Cloud Build, Kubernetes, ... | [deleted] | albatross13 wrote: | Q1 baby. | gzer0 wrote: | Interesting! var o=r.__SECRET_INTERNALS_DO_NOT_ | USE_OR_YOU_WILL_BE_FIRED.ReactCurrentOwner,u=Object.prototype.has | OwnProperty | | Side note: I must say, Taloflow really knows how to capitalize on | that HN traffic flow. :) | tdeck wrote: | Sometimes this goes from R2 to Q1 (makes sense), but sometimes it | goes to H1. Is there an alphabet that puts H right before R? | austinpena wrote: | Fixed, added a thank you for you in the console! | kwakja wrote: | Reminds me of HAL Laboratory (videogame developer involved with | the original Super Smash Bros. and its sequel, Super Smash Bros. | Melee) who did the same thing except with IBM. | patrickthebold wrote: | Was that before or after HAL in 2001 space odyssey? | p_l wrote: | Definitely later :D | clessg wrote: | This is almost as fun as Cookie Clicker! | m0th87 wrote: | R2 is marketed as "one less than S3!" | | I used the exact same tagline for a project open sourced in 2019: | https://github.com/pachyderm/s2/ | | So there you go VCs, I can market as well as cloudflare. Money | please! | arthurcolle wrote: | The negative numbers take away from this bigly | austinpena wrote: | What would you suggest? After 0 go back to 2,147,483,647? | cmenge wrote: | Things get really confusing when you also use SAP R/3, migrating | it to S/4: "So the S/4 gets some of its data from R/3 via S3 and | writes reports to R2 which are used for a consolidated view in | R/3 as long as the analysis isn't migrated to S/4 which will get | all data via S3." | alanbernstein wrote: | This is all happening in Q4 at https://www.q2.com/, of course. | jedberg wrote: | "Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., | shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to | the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out | in K.P." | inopinatus wrote: | R.I.P. | orliesaurus wrote: | W.T.F. ... | memco wrote: | Every time I hear an abundance of acronyms it makes think of | this scene from Rocketman: https://youtu.be/ndj_dS4jImA?t=217 | ajdude wrote: | After checking out the link, I went to view the comments | but I accidentally opened up another HN thread. I thought | that I was reading satire based on this link, until I | realized it was a whole set of different acronyms for a | different article in AI: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28790100 | | It took me a couple comments before that realization | though. | xaerise wrote: | U.S.A. The land of acronyms... | Dyac wrote: | Initialisms. | kelnos wrote: | Initialisms are a subset of acronyms; acronym is accurate | here. | Jedd wrote: | > Initialisms are a subset of acronyms; acronym is | accurate here. | | I believe you have that inverted. | | An abbreviation is a shortened version of a word or | phrase, and encompasses both initialisms and acronyms. An | initialism is pronounced one letter at a time. | | Acronyms are a separate special case - an abbreviation | that is pronounceable as a word unto itself. | moooo99 wrote: | Trust me, it's not only the U.S. | | Source: I'm from Germany | dmitriid wrote: | y'all have nothing on USSR and Russia. | | There's even a small Twitter trend of posting "when you | need English to navigate in Moscow". Se. e.g. https://dem | otos.ru/sites/default/files/caricatures/2019-10-3... | omarhaneef wrote: | That's one direction to take the series. OR S3 needs to add P0, | and R2 needs to add D2. Can't wait till AZ16, invests in Z-16, | and releases their S1. | divbzero wrote: | You can do this with HAL too: IBM HAL | GZK FYJ EXI DWH CVG BUF ATE | ... | ape4 wrote: | Some company is going to break the mold with "Company Name Object | Store" | xtracto wrote: | That would have to be Oracle: | https://www.oracle.com/mx/cloud/storage/object-storage.html | mrweasel wrote: | Points for linking to the Mexican version. | politician wrote: | Does it bother anyone else that the distance between S3 and R2 is | sqrt(2), not 1? | kalleboo wrote: | I would just like to give some respect to Backblaze B2 in here! | Eikon wrote: | B2 is nice but horrendously slow. | xtracto wrote: | A couple of months ago I was playing with BackBlaze and | Oracle cloud. For some reason, mounting a Backblaze storage | (using FUSE S3 and BB S3 compatibility ) in Oracle cloud was | terribly slow. When I tried exactly the same in an AWS EC2 | instance it was quite fast. No idea why that happened. | javierga wrote: | Clicked before reading title, pressed button like mad. I | originally thought it was one of those Elon Musk random child | name generators. | todd3834 wrote: | What I like about the name R2 is the statement that they are | aiming to make something better than S3. These are the kinds of | competitions that benefit the consumers a ton. I don't care who | wins as long as things continue to get better. | dragontamer wrote: | And the successor to the programming language "S" was "R". And C | became... C++? D? Rust? | dmix wrote: | This is some great content marketing by Taloflow. | | Having not paid attention to this story I didn't realize they | chose R because it was one letter behind S in the alphabet. | | If Cloudflare was a smaller company they'd probably get sued | pretty fast. That has happened for much sillier and vain reasons. | But I doubt there's much to gain via the courts in the current | state of things. This seems to be standard price competition that | all commodity like products resort to. | forgot_old_user wrote: | History rhymes with itself? | | "Amazon Web Services reportedly named its cloud database | RedShift in order to tweak Oracle" | | "RedShift was apparently named very deliberately as a nod to | Oracle' trademark red branding" | | https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-web-services-reportedly... | floatingatoll wrote: | If consumers are so likely to confuse "S3" and "R2" that a | court would grant trademark enforcement to S3 over this, then | Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the confusion | between MX-2 and M3, not to mention the total havoc such a | court judgment would wreak upon the SMT labeling industry: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28777350 | | If Cloudflare had an entire AWS-simulation business and was | making a clear effort to confuse customers about being "just | like AWS, only not Amazon", then that might be an easier case | to win, but Cloudflare seems pretty dead-set on being different | than AWS (for example, they offer customer support), so that's | unlikely. | | Amazon might still sue just as saber-rattling, but that would | open them up to a SLAPP countersuit, against a party that has | repeatedly demonstrated that it is willing to fund lawyers to | punish those abusing the legal system -- not to mention being | mocked around the world for suing over a two character product | name with no shared characters. | dotancohen wrote: | > Cloudflare seems pretty dead-set on being different > | than AWS (for example, they offer customer support | | In my experience with problems that I have caused in my AWS | environments, AWS has excellent support. | floatingatoll wrote: | Lucky you! And I've recently had a bad experience with | Cloudflare support, but I'm still making my offhand | comment, because recently an AWS sales rep told me that the | formal support process for one of their enterprise products | is, paraphrased, "post to a discussion forum, and if I'm | not on vacation, I'll see it and escalate internally to get | you support" in as many words. I actually restated it to | them to confirm and they paused noticeably before unhappily | saying "Yes, that's correct". So it'll be a while before | they earn back my respect in that particular regard -- I | may be upset at receiving poor support one time, but it's | still better than not even having a ticketing system | available from the other. | dragonwriter wrote: | AWS has 24/7 phone/email/chat support on the business and | enterprise support plans (with severity-based SLAs) with | not only a ticketing system but a case management API, | and business hours support on their developer support | plan. Your sales rep sounds like they just want to | maintain control of the relationship. | samhw wrote: | Yup, I second this. At a past job we needed support for | Kafka, and their tech support's advice was so fantastic | that it was actually circulated around the company for | general reading. We had an entire team of people who were | expert in Kafka - including myself - to the point of | having given widely viewed talks etc, and we learned a | lot from them. I can't rate it highly enough. | | That said, it's famous that there's a very big difference | between the different tiers of AWS support. When I say | 'tier', I just mean in the sense of how far your query | gets escalated, though it's possible that only large | clients get to be escalated to the very high tiers. (We | were worth billions and spent near enough a million a | month, so we were at least a t2.large to them.) | datavirtue wrote: | On Azure you can file a ticket and an engineer will be | blowing up your phone in short order. That's on the | developer plan. The expensive enterprise planes are the | exact same support only faster with a guaranteed SLA. | | Azure smokes AWS on docs, community, and support. Just my | experience...over and over again. | | I'm at a huge high profile company where we have | dedicated AWS staff. We have a dedicated email address at | AWS to reach them. First time I tried to use the email | address I got no reply at all. Took a while to figure out | it had changed. I had formed my above-stated opinion long | before that whilst trying to use various services and | referring to their docs and community to navigate all the | undocumented and out of date cruft. This is almost a | decade now of the same experience. | outworlder wrote: | > Azure smokes AWS on docs, community, and support. Just | my experience...over and over again. | | Great. If only their tech stack was at the same level. | | In terms of support (filing tickets) we can generally get | on a call with AWS in a matter of minutes. If there's one | thing that's annoying, is the status page. We'll often | get notified of outages by our account rep way before | there's anything in the status page. | dvtrn wrote: | _If only their tech stack was at the same level._ | | No joke. Sometimes I appreciate the way Azure has chosen | to differentiate itself in terms of developer experience. | | Then there are times using it when I want to walk into an | ocean. | | Interestingly, those times seem to be anytime I have to | deal with Application Insights or LogAnalytics. Azure, if | anyone working on those two products are reading this, | y'all need to go read up on this thing called | 'correlation' because the Azure native logging and APM | is... | | _whistles_ | | boy. | | It's something. I just love waiting 5-15 minutes just to | see a log line, if I even see it at all with how | routinely problematic and unstable their logging | infrastructure is[1] | | [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/azure-monitor- | status/... | | (We're already looking to get away from LA though) | breakingcups wrote: | Not my experience. We're waiting for them to sort out a | broken Azure AD B2C instance for over a year. | floatingatoll wrote: | B2C sounds a lot like E2C which is close to EC2! | CRConrad wrote: | > then Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the | confusion between MX-2 and M3 | | Assuming you mean the MX-3 (I can't find any reference to | such a thing as a Mazda MX-2), it would hopefully have been | the other way around -- BMW suing Mazda, since the M3 | predates the MX-3 by half a decade: | | > _M3 models have been produced for every generation of 3 | Series since the E30 M3 was introduced in 1986._ -- | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3 | | > _The Mazda MX-3[4] is a four-seat coupe manufactured and | marketed by Mazda, introduced at the Geneva Auto Show in | March 1991[5] and marketed for model years 1992-1998._ -- | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-3 | marcosdumay wrote: | AFAIK, you can describe a product as "just like AWS, only not | Amazon" without any problem as long as you are clear enough | that it's not Amazon, and that "like" is really "like". | rmbyrro wrote: | I also have nothing to complain about AWS paid support | jen20 wrote: | The MX-3 started production in 1991, the M3 started | production in 1986, so if anything BMW would have been suing | Mazda in this situation ;-) | dorianmariefr wrote: | AWS has customer support | sokoloff wrote: | Their (paid) Enterprise Support is quite good, in my | experience. | Hamuko wrote: | I've also had good experiences with the paid support when | a deployment went horribly wrong. However, the support | costs real money so it's back to Google for us. Luckily | we're running on EKS now so it's probably easier to | diagnose without a paid customer support rep than | CodeDeploy. | CobrastanJorji wrote: | Wait until you find out why the giant evil computer is named | HAL! | human wrote: | Everyone knows it's fom << Heuristic Algorithm >> ;) | mellavora wrote: | Ive Been Meaning to make that comment | cronix wrote: | Judge: What does S3 even stand for? | | Amazon: Simple Storage Solutions, sir. | | Judge: Ok, and what does R2 stand for? | | CF: Uhhh....it's one less than S3, sir. | | Judge: Ok, and what does R2D2 stand for? | | Lucas: Why am I here? | Buttons840 wrote: | If this trend continues, one day they'll pay me to store my data | on their service. Imagine being paid to generate random hashes | and store them on the internet. ;) | dane-pgp wrote: | Presumably that's a clever joke about cryptocurrencies. It took | me a while to convince myself that the analogy made sense, and | I'm not sure how much I appreciate it, but I suppose that slow | confirmation times and questionable value are to be expected | when dealing with cryptocurrencies. | soheil wrote: | I was really hoping it'd go into unicode characters. | tyingq wrote: | I think they should have rubbed it in with E0 == egress is zero. | tra3 wrote: | I like how the progress bars moves off screen if you get too | excited with the button. Point made :) | blensor wrote: | Anybody know the logic behind the counter? It sometimes jumps | over numbers. | austinpena wrote: | All of them increase the score by 1 except: | | Free Storage!!!! | | That increases by 10. I took out the "You Gave Away Too Much | Free Storage" which was a -20 :P | mdtancsa wrote: | With every Click, I heard "Jack Barker's" voice from Silicon | Valley | partiallypro wrote: | Meanwhile Microsoft is just like...let's called it "Blob" | Hamuko wrote: | Are you sure it's not Microsoft Azure Blob Storage Solution for | Enterprise 2020? | CobrastanJorji wrote: | Did you mean the NFS one or the S3 one? | iosjunkie wrote: | You're missing a 365 in there. | MikusR wrote: | Live .net | ethbr0 wrote: | They'd already used Bob. | | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob | dbt00 wrote: | I'll never not link this video when it comes to Microsoft | naming and branding: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k | elefanten wrote: | That was fun and a good throwback. | | But it was interesting to see in the comments that MS | actually claimed credit for it: | | "It was an internal-only video clip commissioned by our | packaging [team] to humorously highlight the challenges we | have faced RE: packaging and to educate marketers here about | the pitfalls of packaging/branding" | boynamedsue wrote: | It's even worse than that because Azure has block blobs, page | blobs, and append blobs. | Joker_vD wrote: | "Xbox One X Series X Service Pack 1 September Refresh CTP | Preview 3 Update 5a*. I mean, imma buy it, but lord MSFT sucks | at naming stuff" [0] | | "I once worked on the unambiguously named "Microsoft Visual | Studio .NET Tools For Microsoft Office .NET System 2005". Yes, | it had "Microsoft" and ".NET" in the name twice. When the name | was announced we all laughed as we assumed it was a joke. It | was not." [1] | | [0] https://nitter.net/shanselman/status/1205355248715358215 | | [1] https://nitter.net/ericlippert/status/1205372172534874112 | pjc50 wrote: | The whole thing is like german agglutinative nouns. Bits of | product keep piling up, but each one has the most generic | possible name. But the least forgivable one has to be the | XBox One X. I hadn't even realised there was an XBox One X | Series X. | theandrewbailey wrote: | Me neither. I thought it was Xbox Series X, not to be | confused with the Xbox Series S. | | https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x | | https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-s | jmkni wrote: | _Microsoft Visual Studio .NET Tools For Microsoft Office .NET | System 2005_ was pretty great at the time, being able to | automate Excel in C# and not have to use VBA was very nice. | andybak wrote: | Microsoft Blob. That has a certain ring to it. | alvarlagerlof wrote: | Blob blob blob! | | Sorry, what's that Dory? | qudat wrote: | Microsoft Loblaw law blog | schemathings wrote: | Well logically it's P1 next, right? An AI that takes over the | world? | https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1414021.The_Adolescence_... | mburns wrote: | The letter before R is Q. | Banjo911 wrote: | I need your fedora, your sandals, and your segway. | ryaan_anthony wrote: | Is this the new cookie clicker? | dingosity wrote: | SUCH SYNERGY! SO PARADIGM! | CodeWriter23 wrote: | Though funny (kinda hilarious at A-41 actually) this applet | misses the point that R2 was chosen because CloudFlare was | undercutting Amazon in every was possible, including the product | name. | bethecloud wrote: | Decentralized Cloud Storage services, like Storj DCS - are really | interesting when compared to R2/S3. They are compatible with AWS | S3, but with better economics than both R2 and S3 (1/10 price of | amazon) - https://docs.storj.io/dcs/getting-started/quickstart- | aws-sdk... | alvarlagerlof wrote: | Is it worth it to host some disks for this? | bethecloud wrote: | Yeah, as long as you have good uptime. Check out | storj.io/node | Shtirlic wrote: | Azure P1 ? | edoceo wrote: | O(1)? | | Edit: the site didn't make it, I just think the stylized name was | cool. | | O for Object and (1) cause it's fast. | | Or it would be. I'm not building it. | encryptluks2 wrote: | Q1 | infogulch wrote: | P0 | | O-1, On1? | dotancohen wrote: | I believe that the Japanese had an airplane with that | designation once, famous for use in suicide attacks, but I | cannot find reference to it. Some other models with Zero in | the name I can find, but not the P-0. | HPsquared wrote: | Apparently the Zero was officially the "Navy Type 0 | carrier fighter". | | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero | munk-a wrote: | I assume Q1 is just a service called Queen - it excels at | everything and looks amazing doing it. | stayfrosty420 wrote: | this is legit a much better name while also being reductio ad | absurdum, it also follows the convention (R2 = rapid, reliable, | S3= simple storage service, O1 = object) | HPsquared wrote: | "Order one".. nice subliminal messaging. | etothepii wrote: | Wouldn't T4 have been a better name? sure it does create the risk | of a U5, but prequels are not usually better. (Unless you love | endless discussion about intergalactic politics). | breakingcups wrote: | That's what my NAS is called | jgrahamc wrote: | Three years ago I sat in front of a whiteboard with some folks | and we sketched out the future roadmap for Cloudflare Workers. | Here's a picture of that whiteboard: | https://imgur.com/a/nSnrT15 | | We went with "R2" because it better reflects the fact that we | want it to be S3 minus one thing: egress fees. | xwdv wrote: | Q1 will be R2 minus one thing: storage fees. | tpetry wrote: | P0 has already been built: https://devnull-as-a- | service.com/ | dotancohen wrote: | I love the filename on their cleanup script "gift to the | open source community": | | https://devnull-as-a-service.com/one-less-to-go.sh | sudo rm -rf $(sudo find / -type f -print0 | shuf -n1 -z) | smnrchrds wrote: | Certainly not in Canada. T4 is the name of employment income | tax slip here, similar to W-2 in the US. | jjk166 wrote: | I imagine most people who complain about intergalactic politics | in the prequels must have never gotten to the scene in A New | Hope where people just sit around and discuss the dissolution | of the galactic senate and the political reordering of the | galaxy. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-10-07 23:00 UTC)