[HN Gopher] Pro rata is a bad term for founders
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       Pro rata is a bad term for founders
        
       Author : akharris
       Score  : 40 points
       Date   : 2021-10-11 14:47 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | sytse wrote:
       | One possible reason for pro-rata term that I don't see mentioned
       | is preventing dilution due to an underpriced round. But since
       | most of the time investors have to agree anyway to a new round
       | that seems a minor concern.
        
         | akharris wrote:
         | Do you mean in a down round or just a round at a low price?
         | 
         | In my experience, any down round requires massive changes to
         | ownership across the cap table, previous rights or not. The
         | only way to stop this is with even more onerous terms that one
         | doesn't normally see in VC term sheets.
        
       | drinkzima wrote:
       | This seems odd to write, as [I believe] YC has one of the
       | strongest, least-founder-favorable versions of pro rata. YC sets
       | so many market terms for startups, they could change this
       | dynamic.
        
         | drinkzima wrote:
         | Specific terms that offer pro rata re-assignment at YC
         | discretion:
         | 
         | "Neither this Agreement nor the rights contained herein may be
         | assigned, by operation of law or otherwise, by Investor without
         | the prior written consent of the Company; provided, however,
         | that this Agreement and/or the rights contained herein may be
         | assigned without the Company's consent by the Investor to any
         | other entity who directly or indirectly, controls, is
         | controlled by or is under common control with the Investor,
         | including, without limitation, any general partner, managing
         | member, officer or director of the Investor, or any venture
         | capital fund now or hereafter existing which is controlled by
         | one or more general partners or managing members of, or shares
         | the same management company with, the Investor."
        
           | pedalpete wrote:
           | I think this is exactly why the post was written. Aaron isn't
           | saying that YC has a great pro-rata program. I took his
           | writing as stating that he thinks it needs to be
           | reconsidered, and that it is bad as it currently stands.
        
             | drinkzima wrote:
             | Yep, odd is probably the wrong word, I just find the
             | specific transferability term egregious.
        
               | JumpCrisscross wrote:
               | > _the specific transferability term egregious_
               | 
               | Why? It has to do purely with the fund's internal
               | structure. Affiliate transfers shouldn't have any
               | material effect on a company. Withholding automatic
               | affiliate transfers would be the company creating
               | needless work for itself.
        
           | berberous wrote:
           | That seems like a boilerplate right to assign to affiliates,
           | not unaffiliated third parties or LPs. Not sure why you find
           | that problematic?
        
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       | JumpCrisscross wrote:
       | > _Crazy! This is valuable term! Investors should have to pay
       | more to get it_
       | 
       | On the flip side, I'd love for a founder to give me a discount
       | for agreeing to take out these boilerplate terms I have--as an
       | angel investor--zero interest in adversarially leveraging.
        
         | akharris wrote:
         | I like this!
         | 
         | I guess the founders would mostly argue that boilerplate is the
         | price of admission for angels these days. But it would be great
         | to see it work this way.
        
       | eftychis wrote:
       | The thing is accounting for the risk and the lack of liquidity
       | and opportunity cost I don't think it is worth coming to the
       | table for most investors without pro rata. That's from my own
       | calculations and some others posted here and there. Essentially,
       | if you don't have pro rata or something equivalent to bet more on
       | the winning horse the rational decision would be to place money
       | in the stock or commodities market honestly with much less risk.
       | 
       | But yeah you should pick an investor according to what you want--
       | help and advice as part of the package is valuable and good
       | investors and advisors give it openly.
       | 
       | Curious of course on feedback on this -- do other people get
       | different numbers? P.S. Maybe that is the idea for this post from
       | someone from YC? Push away other future investors? :D
        
       | hstern wrote:
       | Completely agreed. Current pro rata rights are mostly a legal
       | fiction that mostly harm founders with less experience or
       | leverage. The right should be explicitly negotiated!
        
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