[HN Gopher] Strike Date Set for 60k Film and Television Workers
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       Strike Date Set for 60k Film and Television Workers
        
       Author : asdff
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2021-10-13 19:17 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | peterlk wrote:
       | I've just spent a bit over a year in the live entertainment
       | industry, and feel like I might be able to provide some insight
       | here. On the one hand, this feels like an own-goal because no one
       | in live entertainment has been paid since the beginning of 2020.
       | Though that started to change a little over this summer.
       | 
       | On the other hand, many of the people from the live entertainment
       | industry found refuge in film and television. There has been a
       | hollowing out of the industry where the senior folks have stuck
       | around, but lots and lots of people who were early in their
       | career have left and are not coming back. The senior folks can
       | afford a few more weeks of no pay. However, if they cut off
       | revenue to the film&tv world, they are setting up a 1-2 punch to
       | the entertainment companies (1. COVID, 2. strike), and that puts
       | them in a good negotiating position.
        
       | djbusby wrote:
       | Wow, 90% voted, 98% in favor of strike. Solidarity!
        
       | agperson wrote:
       | I read the headline as "strike data set" and was really
       | interested to see what industry data IASTE was releasing to help
       | justify the strike to the public and build support. Alas.
        
       | calcifer wrote:
       | This is set to be even bigger than the 2007 WGA strike, which was
       | ~12k people for 100 days. WGA had some precedent-setting wins
       | with that, hopefully the same will happen with IATSE.
        
         | thrill wrote:
         | Yeah, a lot of television shows really suffered due to it.
        
         | tehjoker wrote:
         | The WGA strike was really significant world historically. My
         | recollection is that that strike created the impetus to do more
         | reality television, which in turn created The Apprentice, which
         | in turn gave us the 2016 election. America is a completely TV
         | addled nation lmao
         | 
         | At the time, the only thing I noticed was one of my favorite
         | actresses from House MD participated in the strike and that the
         | quality of the writing declined shortly after it started.
         | 
         | That said, I completely support the strike! The workers need it
         | badly and the stronger the strikes, the more control the
         | workers will have. The more control they have, the less of a
         | disaster America will be and leave less room for those kinds of
         | consequences! My only criticism of the earlier strike is that
         | it wasn't strong enough to include Reality TV in its coalition.
         | 
         | EDIT: Welp, I was wrong! Sorry about that.
        
           | CrazedGeek wrote:
           | The Apprentice actually started in 2004: https://en.wikipedia
           | .org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(American_TV_se...
        
           | itsdrewmiller wrote:
           | The Apprentice started in 2004, 3 years before the WGA
           | strike.
        
             | tehjoker wrote:
             | I never watched it, sorry I got the timeline wrong. I
             | thought it was popular after the strike.
             | 
             | That was one of my favorite alt-history theories. Sad.
        
       | slownews45 wrote:
       | I'm not super pro-union (plenty of mess there) but there really
       | are some reasonable asks union side.
       | 
       | My guess, folks have been NOT working the 12+ hour days, have NOT
       | been doing the "rolling lunches" and other wild hollywood stuff
       | (that a construction worker would think was crazy) during COVID.
       | Might have opened their eyes to life outside of the hollywood
       | dream machine.
       | 
       | Maybe look for things as basic as:
       | 
       | Mandated stop production 30 minute lunches. Mandated 10 hour
       | turnarounds seem totally reasonable And bottom line, new media
       | isn't new media anymore, it's big business so sorting that out
       | also makes sense
       | 
       | I've never fully understood why hollywood can't always take a
       | standard 30 minute lunch break. The job site across the street,
       | lunch time, everyone puts down their stuff and eats and relaxes.
       | And end of day, they are gone (unless it's a rush and paying
       | overtime). (note this is my list - union's position may be
       | different etc).
        
         | TheDudeMan wrote:
         | Aren't there already laws that grant breaks during work? Does
         | Hollywood not abide by those? Who polices that sort of thing?
         | (Also not very pro-union.)
        
           | petee wrote:
           | Yes, but alot of the time there is the underlying risk you'll
           | never get hired again if you fight it. There are also
           | penalties if you invade lunch, but they are so low some shows
           | will just shell out money to skip lunch. Its literal penny
           | pinching
           | 
           | Often someone will still bring them food while they are
           | working; its definitely not a real break
        
           | breadzeppelin__ wrote:
           | Not related to hollywood but I worked wildland fire for the
           | local sheriff for a couple years and the 'mandated lunch
           | breaks' were pretty much bullshit. MAYBE 15 minutes to stop
           | and eat (often not even sitting down), then get back to work
           | but had to report at least a half hour of unpaid downtime on
           | the shift report at the end of the day. No wonder that area
           | expertise is also hemorrhaging skilled workers. Luckily it
           | was only part time for me but those guys are really getting
           | fucked over between low pay and the ridiculous breaks
        
       | m0zg wrote:
       | Probably worst time in recent history to stage such a strike. I
       | can't even _see_ the "stage workers" except through fogged up
       | glasses while wearing a face diaper. This would be a lot more
       | effective if their corporate overlords were making a ton of money
       | like before.
        
         | nafix wrote:
         | Seems like a great time to stage a strike if the corporate
         | overlords are already under some level of duress. Also, what
         | does being able to see the stage workers have anything to do
         | with it?
        
           | m0zg wrote:
           | They could just be laid off under the present circumstances.
           | If a tree falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear
           | it, does it make a sound?
        
             | junon wrote:
             | That would be suicide. Something like 90% of the workforce
             | agreed on the strike. Imagine firing 60k people and having
             | only a few thousand left. You'd sink immediately.
        
               | petee wrote:
               | And backed by the Directors Guild, Actors Guild, Writers,
               | and Teamsters, all of which would respect the picket line
        
             | thebigman433 wrote:
             | If nobody can see people live, as you say, then surely the
             | people making online streaming content are even more
             | valuable right now.
             | 
             | One of the reasons this is all happening is because workers
             | have continually been abused around streaming content.
             | Studios are making more and more money while workers get
             | shafted with ever worsening hours and pay. Studios are
             | abusing definitions of work surrounding streaming
             | shows/movies to drastically abuse hour and pay laws.
        
             | petee wrote:
             | Every job in film is highly specialized, even down to
             | construction. These are trades that are taught and passed
             | down through years of on the job experience. It would take
             | them years to replace every department.
             | 
             | We do it well, fast, and safe.
        
             | margalabargala wrote:
             | Doubtful. There's a notorious shortage of workers in every
             | industry right now, the striking workers will be
             | particularly hard to replace due to their timing, and their
             | strike is probably going to be particularly effective
             | because of that.
        
       | KingMachiavelli wrote:
       | Is there a list of demands compared to the current agreement? I
       | can't find the specifics anywhere.
        
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