[HN Gopher] Typography of 2001: A Space Odyssey (2014)
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       Typography of 2001: A Space Odyssey (2014)
        
       Author : sudobash1
       Score  : 119 points
       Date   : 2021-10-13 20:38 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | RicoElectrico wrote:
       | On a related note, I just could not stand how Witcher 3 chose to
       | use DIN font for the UI. Sure, it's hyper-legible, but detracts
       | from the "medievalesque" setting. There must have been better
       | alternatives to choose from, even if only lightly stylized. Hell,
       | just any humanist font like Optima, Gill Sans would better blend
       | in. Or something similar to Chiaro (admittedly Japanese-first
       | font) used in the Ocarina of Time.
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | It's this very blog post that inspired me to start using
       | Eurostile Bold Extended in my user interfaces.
        
       | atoav wrote:
       | Being trained in typography is like a curse. You will suddenly
       | see all the mistakes and amateurish design decisions everywhere,
       | and you will hate them.
       | 
       | On the other hand you can create something that looks good in 5
       | minutes.
        
         | MauranKilom wrote:
         | Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1015/
        
         | pathOf_aFineMan wrote:
         | Would you be able to recommend resources on learning towards
         | becoming somewhat trained in typography? Beyond blogs and
         | coursera courses, where might one start?
        
           | allenu wrote:
           | This is a good one and has been discussed on HN before:
           | https://practicaltypography.com/
        
           | sam1r wrote:
           | Look at open source fonts, study how they are created, and
           | which components are frequently updated, and create one of
           | your own. It's much harder than it seems. But definitely do-
           | able.
        
           | creativenolo wrote:
           | Grid Systems in Graphic Design: A Visual Communication Manual
           | for Graphic Designers, Typographers and Three Dimensional
           | Designers
           | 
           | By
           | 
           | Josef Muller-Brockmann
           | 
           | https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MLYiAQAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y
        
           | flir wrote:
           | The Elements Of Typographic Style, Robert Bringhurst. Just
           | enough to be dangerous, and a great read to boot.
        
           | kleer001 wrote:
           | Typography is one of those ancient skills that's so well
           | covered you can't go wrong anywhere you start. The only
           | problem would be if you needed a class room environment or a
           | one on one instruction. If you're a self starter then (as
           | cliche as it sounds) launch off the wikipedia page :
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typography
           | 
           | There'll be tons of instructional websites too. This is a 600
           | year old art that hasn't fundamentally changed its
           | terminology. Anything on the nerdy to practical spectrum of
           | knowledge is out there for you to grasp.
        
           | atoav wrote:
           | I learned it from an typographer who himself still learned
           | how to craft typefaces by hand, so there is not much in
           | current material I can recommend.
        
         | chungy wrote:
         | Typesetting is related and has a similar effect. Being able to
         | spot every document authored in Microsoft Word and its,
         | frankly, ugly decisions is not that fun.
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | (2014)
        
         | ChrisArchitect wrote:
         | more recent discussion / popular one a year ago about Star Trek
         | The Motion Picture:
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24567455
        
       | petschge wrote:
       | Awesome as always, but unfortunately from January 2014, not a new
       | post by Dave Addey.
        
       | nielsbot wrote:
       | Needs a (2014)
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | reminder: you can enjoy the content/link without upvoting it.
        
       | hanoz wrote:
       | The author has a series of these by the way, including a rather
       | wonderful one on Moon:
       | https://typesetinthefuture.com/2014/02/11/moon/
        
       | 600frogs wrote:
       | Typography, to me, is one of those things that's simultaneously
       | incredibly boring and completely fascinating. On the one hand,
       | it's something you experience (whether consciously or not) for a
       | large part of your day, and each font you read in your day has
       | been meticulously chosen for all the supposed qualities it gives
       | off. But on the other hand - it's just a bloody font.
        
         | outworlder wrote:
         | Just a bloody font, the choice of which can greatly enhance
         | your experience (or detract from it).
         | 
         | I would recommend https://practicaltypography.com/
         | 
         | EDIT: mind you, typography is much more than 'just fonts'.
        
           | NikolaNovak wrote:
           | I've started reading it. I'll finish it.
           | 
           | But it's subjectively the worst font (or layout, or kerning,
           | or aliasing, or _something_ - I 'm extremely not an expert:)
           | I've seen since... mid-90's? I don't know HOW they made it
           | look that bad; I checked if they were accidentally-enlarged
           | images, but nope.
           | 
           | In addition to letters looking (subjectively) bad, it also
           | looks strange. Kernings looks slightly off, and the "Small
           | but necessary interruption" feels like it has another 3 fonts
           | in there. Perhaps They're just lighter or narrow variations
           | (again, not an expert), and then the user-added ALL CAPS with
           | different spacing yet... it feels I'm reading 19th century
           | print. Which is quaint, might be _precisely_ what author is
           | looking for (I once spent an hour trying to get letters on a
           | CD look JUST the right amount of offset and wobbly :P ), but
           | feels a bit... old school.
           | 
           | https://practicaltypography.com/typography-in-ten-
           | minutes.ht...
        
             | throwdecro wrote:
             | Yeah it's strange, the content is about typography, but
             | something about it is really hard to look at, at least on
             | Mozilla Firefox. On some pages e.g. the typography-in-ten-
             | minutes page it looks like the first paragraph is slightly,
             | but not obviously, larger than the subsequent paragraphs.
             | 
             | Everything seems stretched vertically, and the stuff in
             | all-caps is borderline A E S T H E T I C with the
             | horizontal spacing.
        
               | outworlder wrote:
               | Interesting, it does look different on Firefox (vs
               | Chrome-based browsers).
        
             | outworlder wrote:
             | No problems with kerning on my device, that I can see.
             | 
             | The fonts used, just like in books, each have their purpose
             | - https://practicaltypography.com/how-to-use.html
             | 
             | Also, you can change the body text font by clicking the
             | font name at the bottom.
        
             | BitAstronaut wrote:
             | Any suggestions on good reading to learn?
        
         | MengerSponge wrote:
         | https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole
        
         | KineticLensman wrote:
         | > it's just a bloody font.
         | 
         | Obligatory http://wondermark.com/650/
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | That business card should have been in comic sans.
        
           | PaulHoule wrote:
           | It is not just the font it is how you use it.
           | 
           | Out of the box in PowerPoint or Illustrator, you will
           | struggle to set large characters in print unless you manually
           | change character spacing.
           | 
           | I look at the movie titles and think there are mistakes in
           | the spacing and wonder what kind of machine they used to make
           | it.
           | 
           | All the above software is supposed to have automated
           | 'Kerninq' of characters but it does not work well enough.
           | 
           | If serif spacing is tight, the letters link together like
           | cursive or Arabic calligraphy and form a meaningful
           | composition. The default rules, however, avoid serifs
           | crashing into each other at all costs, space letters too far
           | apart, and create meaningless white spaces.
        
             | gumby wrote:
             | > I look at the movie titles and think there are mistakes
             | in the spacing and wonder what kind of machine they used to
             | make it.
             | 
             | They were probably done by hand, especially given the
             | swapping of characters from different fonts.
             | 
             | I've forgotten the name of the company [flir reminds me in
             | the comment below that it was Letraset], but it was common
             | back then (yes, I'm an old fart, though was a kid when that
             | film came out) to have a transparent sheet with adhesive
             | vinyl (? or some other polymer) letters you could transfer
             | over one by one to your workpiece. If you went into a an
             | art supply house there would be racks of these things
             | sorted by font and then size, down at least to 8 point.
             | 
             | Back in 1968 phototypesetting was not super common. It was
             | probably used for some of the larger blocks (like the
             | toilet instructions) although just as likely to have been
             | done with hot lead which survived almost to the end of the
             | 1970s.
             | 
             | It's hard to remember now (this mostly predated my working
             | time since I started with laser printing in the 70s) but
             | medium and large companies often had a lot of paper and
             | data management departments with things like typing pools
             | (completely retyping documents in order to incorporate
             | edits was the state of the art) and print shops
             | (photocopiers were expensive and uncommon into the 70s)
        
               | flir wrote:
               | Letraset?
        
               | gumby wrote:
               | Yes, that was it! Thanks so much.
        
           | luca3v wrote:
           | I am feeling really dumb for asking: the punchline of the
           | comic is clearly that there is something terribly wrong with
           | the typesetting of the business card, but what is it?
        
             | asciimov wrote:
             | Relevant SNL Skit:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
        
             | ics wrote:
             | The font on the business card is Papyrus.
        
               | bewuethr wrote:
               | See also https://youtu.be/jVhlJNJopOQ
        
               | jfk13 wrote:
               | ...which is a quite distinctive font that has shipped
               | with Mac systems for years, so someone typeface-conscious
               | is very likely to recognise it on sight.
        
             | Sharlin wrote:
             | The typeface is Papyrus [1], which is... not exactly adored
             | by people who care about such things.
             | 
             | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_(typeface)
        
               | 45ure wrote:
               | It does seem to stir up some strong emotions.
               | 
               |  _Years after Avatar 's release, there's one thing Steven
               | (Ryan Gosling) just can't get over._
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
        
           | 600frogs wrote:
           | Heh, first time I've seen this. I'm of the opinion that as
           | long as you're not using something wildly out of place like
           | papyrus or comic sans in a professional setting, it's not
           | hugely impactful what font you choose. You can spend hours
           | comparing the subtle differences between helvetica and ariel
           | but does it really make a difference?
           | 
           | Also unrelated but the shocked dude in the last pane looks
           | way too much like Elon Musk for my liking.
        
             | KineticLensman wrote:
             | I think fonts can make a difference where readability or
             | accessibility is important. One example of a bad font
             | choice in the UK is on the signs placed on roads after
             | fatal accidents which ask witnesses to provide information.
             | The contact number is written in a font that looks like a
             | seven-segment display and that is virtually unreadable when
             | you are driving past. The designer must have thought it
             | looked good but it is unreadable.
             | 
             | (Elon Musk lol)
        
           | Xavdidtheshadow wrote:
           | see also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ
        
       | mongol wrote:
       | 2001 is in it's own class. Nothing compares to it. It set a
       | standard in futurism that is very hard to match.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | John Carpenter apparently also liked that Albertus font used here
       | in the "Dawn of Man" title card.
       | 
       | It shows up in opening credits for _Escape from New York, The
       | Thing, Big Trouble in Little China, Prince of Darkness, and They
       | Live_.
        
         | beautifulfreak wrote:
         | Also Christine, Starman, and Escape From L.A.
         | https://fontsinuse.com/uses/19085/directed-by-john-carpenter
        
       | MarkLowenstein wrote:
       | Wow. This is the answer to a prayer I didn't even realize I had.
       | I have been in love with those 50s/60s-era computer-industry
       | fonts for the longest time but never thought I'd know the names
       | of these gems. Eurostile Bold Extended, I'm in heaven.
        
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