[HN Gopher] Review of the Buick Riviera's 'touchscreen' from 198...
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       Review of the Buick Riviera's 'touchscreen' from 1986 [video]
        
       Author : giuliomagnifico
       Score  : 71 points
       Date   : 2021-10-12 05:52 UTC (3 days ago)
        
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       | marcodiego wrote:
       | Is it better than most modern dashboard computers?
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | That chime sound at https://youtu.be/mEzEbS4uvuo?t=207 - it seems
       | very familiar in auto contexts. Is this where it originated?
        
         | evilbob93 wrote:
         | As I heard that, I had a flashback to the first moments in many
         | rental cars in my life.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | The note/tone sounds similar to the "ding" sound on a passenger
         | aircraft...just repeated quickly.
        
           | p1mrx wrote:
           | The aircraft chime reminds me of the Home Alone theme, but I
           | guess they're not in quite the same key:
           | https://youtu.be/g3H9cnQDdvM vs
           | https://youtu.be/nPNNFa3jF3g?t=26
        
       | evilbob93 wrote:
       | When I worked in the auto industry at Buick/Oldsmobile/Cadillac
       | Engineering , I got to see one of these while it was in prototype
       | stage.
       | 
       | One reason this didn't take hold is that they found that this
       | interface forced a driver to take their eyes off the road to do
       | basic functions like changing the climate settings.
       | 
       | When I got to ride in this, there was a maintenance screen you
       | could pull up by pressing three of the buttons. This screen had
       | functions like displaying and modifying the throttle angle, fuel-
       | air mixture, etc. While driving around, we were able to change
       | the fuel air mixture such that the car started running badly and
       | we could smell gas.
        
         | theodric wrote:
         | FFWD to 20xx and we've learned nothing, cf. Tesla, et al.
        
           | ddingus wrote:
           | Oh, we learned it.
           | 
           | That's not really the discussion, in my view. It's all about
           | revenue and marketing.
           | 
           | The perceived value of those exceeds potential costs and
           | liabilities.
        
         | riffic wrote:
         | There's nothing like good physical controls. I believe
         | designers call these "affordances", don't they?
        
           | cf100clunk wrote:
           | I have a shopping list of wishes for new cars: physical
           | controls that are shaped/textured/otherwise laid out in ways
           | that make them recognizable by feel or distance from the
           | steering wheel. Don't make me have to try to figure out which
           | rocker switch in an identical row of them performs the task I
           | desire. Likewise, a set of steering wheel mini-paddles
           | similar to those on new Subarus would be appreciated, but
           | especially if they are reassignable by the driver. As for
           | radios, go back to the old paradigm of a left volume knob and
           | a right tuning knob, with concentric controls for
           | reassignable features like balance, fade, bass, treble, etc.
           | that can be easily achieved without scrolling through all of
           | them first.
        
             | ddingus wrote:
             | Yes. I like older cars for these reasons.
             | 
             | Basically, if one can drive at night, no cab illumination
             | beyond a dim dash, the controls make sense. They make
             | better sense when fewer of them are not modal.
        
         | romwell wrote:
         | >One reason this didn't take hold is that they found that this
         | interface forced a driver to take their eyes off the road to do
         | basic functions like changing the climate settings.
         | 
         | ...which still applies today just as well as it did back then.
        
           | Arrath wrote:
           | Yet now the common sense reasoning is ignored.
        
             | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
             | Common sense in tech went out the window with touchscreens
             | on phones. They even make the cases out of glass now. So
             | not only do they break immediately, they slip out of your
             | hands easier.
        
               | ddingus wrote:
               | Basically, case required. I gave up, and went for a
               | battery back case. Once I got used to the size, it's all
               | good and I pretty much do not care what they make the
               | phones out of.
               | 
               | That said, man... I sure miss my Note 4. Plastic back,
               | plastic all over the place. Great phone, removable
               | battery, fast, the works! Cat peed on it. Total loss.
        
             | leoh wrote:
             | Yes, but -- we now have far richer, more colorful, displays
             | with skeumorphic design. They can be more distracting, but
             | it also can mean that it's much easier to figure out how to
             | do what out of the corner of one's eye.
        
               | IncRnd wrote:
               | And a person still needs to take their eyes off of the
               | road to look at that wonderfully designed touchscreen.
        
               | theodric wrote:
               | Guess they can put that on my tombstone as I fiddle with
               | the touchscreen or BMW iCrash trying to turn down the
               | airco in traffic
        
               | DoingIsLearning wrote:
               | Android Auto and Apple CarPlay generates worse reaction
               | times then driving drunk. [0]
               | 
               | The large touchscreen trend in automotive is a
               | unnecessary risk for everyone on the road and needs to be
               | reverted.
               | 
               | [0] R Ramnath, N Kinnear, S Chowdhury, T Hyatt, (2020)
               | 'Interacting with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay when
               | driving', TRL, Transport Research Foundation, UK
               | 
               | https://trl.co.uk/publications/interacting-with-android-
               | auto...
        
               | Arrath wrote:
               | I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic.
        
           | evilbob93 wrote:
           | I would say that we have learned, collectively, some
           | strategies that work, for various definitions of "work".
        
       | ddingus wrote:
       | Vacuum Phosphor Display!
       | 
       | Oooohhh. That's just nice, and that is all. I love those
       | displays.
        
       | FearlessNebula wrote:
       | I feel like Doug would love to check that out
        
       | varelse wrote:
       | I drove a 1997 Riviera for about a decade (I know I know down
       | vote me because it wasn't a 1986 Riviera). But it had some very
       | interesting interface elements for the time that were less
       | advanced than this but also ahead of the 1999 Camaro I had driven
       | previously. I would have kept that car, it only had about 100,000
       | miles on it, but one of the neighborhood CHUDs rammed it and no
       | one wanted to repair the door that was destroyed by the ramming
       | because no one knew where to find parts for it. Bay area by the
       | way and it's a real shame because I really loved the car in all
       | its gas guzzling glory.
        
       | anonymousiam wrote:
       | The Reatta control system was one of the outcomes of GM's
       | purchase of Hughes Aircraft. (Another was increased plant
       | automation.)
        
       | Der_Einzige wrote:
       | I love this sort of aesthetic so much, and wish that the car
       | around it was better (e.g. RWD) such that it would be worth
       | buying and fixing up.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | It was a terrible quality car, but the 86 model was front wheel
         | drive, not RWD. They were FWD from 1979 until the end.
        
           | frosted-flakes wrote:
           | I think that's what GP meant; they wish it was RWD.
        
             | tyingq wrote:
             | Ah. I see. Must not live in a wintery place :)
        
               | Mister_Snuggles wrote:
               | RWD is fine in winter.
               | 
               | Good winter tires (Nokian Hakkapeliitta in my case, but
               | there are plenty of good winter tires to choose form)
               | plus traction control and ABS will help a lot, but you
               | also need to modify your driving behaviour as the car can
               | only do so much.
               | 
               | Give yourself more time, apply all inputs (gas, brake,
               | steering) slowly and deliberately - sudden movements are
               | more likely to give you a bad time. Understand how your
               | car behaves in various conditions, empty mall parking
               | lots are good for this. Leave more distance between you
               | and the car ahead of you. Know what do to when you lose
               | traction. Keep your car maintained - properly inflated
               | tires, functional wiper blades and keeping the washer
               | fluid topped up are important. Keep your gas tank at
               | least half-full, which helps during unexpected delays and
               | the additional weight helps with handling. Know what
               | spots are bad in your city and avoid them. Know how to
               | get your car free when it's stuck in snow - if you're
               | going to rock it out, you'll probably need to disable
               | traction control to do it successfully.
               | 
               | Personally, I also avoid driving the first day or two
               | after the first big snowfall. This gives the city time to
               | deal with the snow and gives other drivers time to re-
               | learn winter driving.
               | 
               | Source: I've daily-driven a RWD car for years in
               | Edmonton, AB.
        
               | protomyth wrote:
               | _RWD is fine in winter._
               | 
               | Compared to 4WD, AWD, or FWD; its the worst setup for
               | winter driving.
               | 
               |  _Good winter tires (Nokian Hakkapeliitta in my case, but
               | there are plenty of good winter tires to choose form)
               | plus traction control and ABS will help a lot, but you
               | also need to modify your driving behaviour as the car can
               | only do so much._
               | 
               | That and the paragraph that follows applies equally to
               | any other drive setup. Traction control is a mixed bag
               | depending on manufacture. If you are stuck in the snow,
               | you probably want to disable it for a bit to help you get
               | unstuck. Its amazing how some manufactures (looking at
               | you Chevy) goofed that up.
               | 
               |  _Personally, I also avoid driving the first day or two
               | after the first big snowfall. This gives the city time to
               | deal with the snow and gives other drivers time to re-
               | learn winter driving._
               | 
               | Most folks cannot take the time off and need to get to
               | work.
               | 
               | Source: North Dakota rural driver.
               | 
               | As a side note, keep a survival kit in the car. Some tire
               | chains and a tow rope are not out of line. Know where to
               | attach a tow rope to your car is a good idea, you don't
               | want to end up on YouTube.
        
               | cf100clunk wrote:
               | >Compared to 4WD, AWD, or FWD; its the worst setup for
               | winter driving.
               | 
               | I don't think the person was comparing them, just stating
               | that RWD, when handled properly, is indeed fine for
               | winter. Having driven extensively in Canada and
               | Scandinavia I agree with that, although 4WD, AWD, and FWD
               | are superior.
        
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       | cure wrote:
       | The subject is misleading; the touchscreen is shown in a Buick
       | Reatta.
        
         | p1mrx wrote:
         | It looks like the Reatta was basically a smaller version of the
         | Riviera, with the same control system available.
        
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