[HN Gopher] 32 Bit Real Estate ___________________________________________________________________ 32 Bit Real Estate Author : craigkerstiens Score : 77 points Date : 2021-10-19 16:48 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (fly.io) (TXT) w3m dump (fly.io) | dadrian wrote: | For what it's worth, this aligns with my experience buying /24's | over the last two years. | mike_d wrote: | > One last thing: a new 5-digit ASN will cost you about $500 from | ARIN, but there are auctions for 4-digit ASNs, and they run into | mid-five-figures. If any of you can explain this to us, we'd be | grateful. | | To answer the authors question: lower number ASNs are seen as | older more established networks when negotiating peering. It's | the equivalent of doing a WHOIS on someone's personal domain and | seeing when they started seriously internetting. | | Obviously shorter numbers are more memorable and easier to type | frequently, which is a desirable trait for network operators. | | You probably spent a few bucks on "fly.io" and applied a mental | value to the outward perception of a short memorable domain. | psim1 wrote: | We recently received a /23 block from ARIN by sitting on the | waiting list for about 2 months. If you're not in a hurry and | you're not looking for a large block of IPv4, wait. Small | companies still have a chance at IPv4 without paying a fortune. | tptacek wrote: | Oh, this is very cool. What is your company doing with the | addresses? I wonder if there are applications where it's easier | to get addresses than others. | mike_d wrote: | "Justification" at the RIRs is a little subjective, but it is | supposed to be based entirely on technical need not use case. | | If you want to talk more about getting additional IPs, Mark | at your provider is a super smart dude, or you can ping me | offline. | mrkurt wrote: | RIPE was handing out /20s to new members about 2 years ago, as | well. I'm a fan, it would be nice for more people to have | smaller blocks. | techsupporter wrote: | They were /22 I believe. You can still get a single /24 as a | new RIPE member, and no waiting at the moment as their IPv4 | waiting list is empty. | mwcampbell wrote: | > we assign distinct public IPv4 addresses to each app running on | Fly.io. | | Why not charge a premium for even one distinct public IPv4 | address? Most applications are HTTP(S)-based and could share a | reverse proxy with a thousand other apps, right? You could even | spin the lack of distinct public IPs as a positive: zero IPv4 | footprint. | tptacek wrote: | The post talks about this (I take your point that we didn't | write about it clearly enough). There are two reasons: | | 1. We don't want to do anything to discourage people from | building non-HTTP applications on Fly.io, because we're fans of | weird applications. | | 2. Just giving every app a routable address simplifies our own | deployment logic (at the expense of acquiring blocks of IP | addresses). | | Really, the reason we were moved to write about this is (2); | specifically: so long as IPv4 addresses are appreciating assets | (as current buyers, we can report: they remain appreciating | assets), then there is a sense in which holding IPv4 blocks is | really just holding money in a different, somewhat less liquid | (but potentially profitable) form. | | We're not saying that's a _good_ thing, just that it 's | interesting that you can essentially take out a mortgage on a | large block of addresses and live in it while it appreciates. | kevin_thibedeau wrote: | TLS doesn't require HTTP. | tptacek wrote: | Sure. You take my meaning, I assume. Virtually all of the | TLS apps on Fly.io are HTTPS apps. | mike_d wrote: | > Most applications are HTTP(S)-based and could share a reverse | proxy with a thousand other apps, right? | | Try running your SaaS app on an IP address shared with a porn | site and you'll quickly discover all the strange ways older | middle-boxes try to police network traffic. | p1mrx wrote: | This is why people have been trying to promote IPv6 for the last | couple decades. It is silly that new internet companies should | have to pay money to those who got here first. | | Still waiting for AAAA records on news.ycombinator.com. IPv6-only | SIP trunking would also be nice, since an IPv4 address is the | main cost of hosting a small PBX. | Enginerrrd wrote: | IPv6 should have been designed to be backwards compatible and | smoothly transition people over. Why not design it so you can | just quietly migrate to ipv6 on the infrastructure side by | introducing automatic translation of ipv4 packets into ipv6 and | back by padding and removing zeros, and automatically reserving | all the resulting ipv6 addresses to their ipv4 equivalent | owners. | | This situation is the result of poor design and roll-out | decisions, not the fault of everyone else. | duskwuff wrote: | > IPv6 should have been designed to be backwards compatible | | Impossible. You can't communicate between two hosts without | both hosts being able to address the other -- and there's no | way for an IPv4-only host to pack 128 bits of address into a | 32-bit host field. | seiferteric wrote: | I wonder if you could use something like IP in IP | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_in_IP), basically just | slap another IP header on your packet so your IP becomes | two 32 bit IPs, one for your ISP and one for you. | akersten wrote: | As I'm (slowly, begrudgingly) learning about IPv6 I can't | help but agree. Astounding that backwards compatibility was | abandoned in favor of ... Being able to hand out a /64 or /48 | to anyone with a pulse? No residential customer needs that | many addresses, yet I can call my ISP today and block that | off for eternity. To what end? | | IPv6 should just have been a superset and | 0..1.xxx.yyy.zzz.ttt should have been the legacy IPv4 space. | I really don't get the point of all the bizarre block | assignments, hexadecimal fetish, and general "why is this | seemingly purposefully such a pain in the ass" feeling I get | whenever I look at it. | CarelessExpert wrote: | Yeah, I truly do not understand what's causing Hacker News or | Reddit to drag their feet. My guess is they've simply done the | calculus and decided the number of impacted users doesn't | justify the cost, and meanwhile, they already have their v4 | allocation so there's no financial pressure either. | | I'm starting to think the RIR's should just start charging | increasing YoY maintenance fees on v4 address space for | companies that haven't rolled out v6. Those companies, who | already have an allocation, are really benefiting from a | negative externality. Maybe it's time they start paying for the | privilege. | pixl97 wrote: | SIP_ALG is what I like to call the biggest cost of VOIP, | especially from home. | | I'd love to just have a firewall between my SIP device and the | internet with IPv6 and none of the games routers play these | days. | [deleted] ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-10-19 23:00 UTC)