[HN Gopher] Norfolk sand: Has a colossal experiment worked?
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       Norfolk sand: Has a colossal experiment worked?
        
       Author : asplake
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2021-10-23 07:24 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.bbc.co.uk)
        
       | binarymax wrote:
       | Really interesting! It's common to see s/groins/groynes/[0]
       | installed on many UK beaches, which helps when the shore is also
       | small rock/pebble. But this seems more dynamic and natural, I
       | hope it works in the long term!
       | 
       | [0] https://www.seawallprosfl.com/wp-
       | content/uploads/2017/04/max... and
       | https://www.seawallprosfl.com/ways-to-prevent-beach-erosion/
        
         | jfk13 wrote:
         | > It's common to see groins[0] installed on many UK beaches
         | 
         | In the UK, we prefer to call them groynes. A groin is something
         | quite different...
        
           | binarymax wrote:
           | haha oops! Corrected.
        
       | gpvos wrote:
       | The article notes that this is the first time this kind of thing
       | has been done _in the UK._ And indeed, the Netherlands has been
       | doing it since about a decade:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_engine (also mentions the
       | Bacton gas terminal, as in the article).
        
         | OJFord wrote:
         | It also notes two Dutch companies involved in (and
         | 'mastermind'ing) the project.
        
         | brazzy wrote:
         | Germany has been doing it for its North Frisian islands sind
         | 1972. The key words: _has been doing_. It works, but in most
         | cases the sea keeps taking away the sand and you keep having to
         | put it back.
        
           | ars wrote:
           | > the sea keeps taking away the sand
           | 
           | Where does it go?
        
             | wbl wrote:
             | The Frisian Islands grow on the lee and shrink on the
             | windward side. As a result they are gradually moving
             | eastward.
        
             | __coaxialcabal wrote:
             | Mostly to the bottom, but some remains suspended in a
             | saline dihydrogen monoxide solution.
        
             | ncmncm wrote:
             | The ocean is big.
        
       | alkonaut wrote:
       | > two million cubic tonnes
       | 
       | The British really do have the weirdest units.
        
         | a1369209993 wrote:
         | Cubic tonnes _are_ technically a real and valid (SI even, ish)
         | unit of measurement (for example the fundamental evaporation
         | rate of a black hole via hawking radiation is on the order of
         | 100 million cubic tonnes per second), but I think in this case
         | they 're just outright wrong.
        
           | jl6 wrote:
           | What does cubic mass mean?
        
         | chrismcb wrote:
         | Interestingly this may be a typo as the article mentions cubic
         | meters. But wiki says cubic tons is a measure of volume that is
         | obsolete in UK and mostly used in the US
        
       | ncmncm wrote:
       | It would be better if they had used olivine sand. That would pull
       | CO2 out of the air, _and_ protect the coast.
       | 
       | We are going to have to be doing that, by the millions of tons.
       | But it will be pointless if we continue pumping as much CO2 into
       | the air.
        
       | wolverine876 wrote:
       | Who pays for these fixes to greenhouse gas emissions? Surely it's
       | the greenhouse gas emitters?
        
       | m-i-l wrote:
       | Key point for me was "It's not a permanent solution, however -
       | the sand is expected to last for about 15 years." It doesn't say
       | whether the full PS20m spend will be needed every 15 years
       | though, but it sounds like it just buys more time to move the
       | critical infrastructure further inland.
        
         | jl6 wrote:
         | Here's hoping that they can close the gas terminal by 2035 and
         | not replace it.
        
       | lvs wrote:
       | > Bacton Gas Terminal was getting ever closer to the cliff edge
       | as the coast eroded
       | 
       | That was a problem that was getting close to solving itself. Now
       | I understand why so much effort was expended.
        
       | mrfusion wrote:
       | We should make some islands with this technology. Maybe it could
       | help solve the housing crisis.
        
       | mrfusion wrote:
       | It's weird, in Florida we do this almost every year. It's not a
       | big deal.
        
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