[HN Gopher] Riding the Writing Wave
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       Riding the Writing Wave
        
       Author : kkoncevicius
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2021-10-27 19:21 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | luxpir wrote:
       | Incredible lack of editing in a post on writing.
       | 
       | Otherwise sound advice, but of course the old tenet still
       | applies: learn all the rules, then discard them.
        
       | munchbunny wrote:
       | _clear writers are clear thinkers_
       | 
       | In my personal experience, this is doubly true in work contexts,
       | even for/especially for disciplines that don't typically involve
       | writing.
       | 
       | My personal anecdata is that there is absolutely a correlation
       | between how well a product manager or engineer writes and how
       | well-thought-out their ideas are when you start to drill down
       | into what they are saying or asking.
        
       | mmaunder wrote:
       | Many want to be seen as a writer, filmmaker or programmer or they
       | want the rewards. If you don't love it, don't do it. Writers
       | write because they're compelled to do so. Shonda Rhimes says
       | exactly this. She is compelled. Same with the other disciplines.
       | PG? I'll bet you don't write until you can't hold it any longer.
       | 
       | All this talk of establishing a writers routine or finding
       | motivation is trying to persuade non writers to write. Tough to
       | hear, I know. Yes indeed downvote me because I'm denying your
       | dreams of wearing black rimmed Tom Ford glasses. But know it's
       | true because right now, you're not writing.
        
         | blairbeckwith wrote:
         | This feels like gatekeeping writing unnecessarily.
         | 
         | It's a fairly common sentiment among writers that writing is
         | painful. "I don't enjoy writing, I enjoy having written", etc.
        
           | dexwiz wrote:
           | Birth is a painful process.
        
           | nfw2 wrote:
           | Although it seems contradictory, I expect many writers would
           | say writing is often painful, but they still feel compelled
           | to do it because keeping their ideas inside is more painful.
           | Pain and motivation aren't mutually exclusive.
        
         | omarhaneef wrote:
         | That is true. However:
         | 
         | -- You can get your writing (or coding or film making) itch
         | scratched in many ways. You may write fiction, or write long
         | memos at work or write elaborate notes here on HN. What you
         | aren't doing is deliberately writing the thing you want to work
         | on or think about. It isn't directed.
         | 
         | -- Even if you do write a lot, you may (you almost certainly
         | do) think your stuff (at least the first draft and perhaps the
         | fifth) is not worth putting out there.
         | 
         | So there is still something to be said for encouraging and
         | directing even natural writers.
        
         | Hammershaft wrote:
         | For me isn't about getting some desired perception, its about
         | having ideas that are bottled up in my head but struggling to
         | find the focus to write them down and share them. I know I'm
         | not alone in this.
        
         | cratermoon wrote:
         | Cynical take: it's in the interest of publishers (not the
         | author of this post, but internet sites in general) to get as
         | many people out there as possible as "writers", because that
         | allows them to pay them $.02 to $.05 per word. Race to the
         | bottom. Same thing happened to photography with the rise of the
         | iPhone and cheap prosumer digital cameras. Nobody wants to pay
         | photographers (or other visual artists), they just offer
         | "exposure" or go on UnSplash and find a free image.
        
           | Multiplayer wrote:
           | Optimistic Take: Crypto and NFT markets are opening the doors
           | for photos, writing and creativity of all stripes to get
           | valued far more than ever before.
        
             | nkingsy wrote:
             | As far as I can tell NFT relies on social proofing in
             | forums. I'd ask the rhetorical "how does that scale", but
             | we all know the answer already. It doesn't. This will be
             | ruined by spam in 5... 4...
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | And one needs to decide what makes sense for them in terms of
           | writing. For me personally, it's either doing something for
           | free because I want to or I'm getting paid at least $1/word
           | or so.
        
         | nkingsy wrote:
         | I'm a happy commenter and code writer.
         | 
         | My big issue with writing prose was that the only good stuff I
         | produced was confessional. I shared it with trusted friends who
         | encouraged me, but I was terrified to make anything public.
         | 
         | I'm so glad I never published any of it. It could literally
         | have cost me my career in tech.
         | 
         | I don't have an edgy life anymore, but I don't think I'd risk
         | baring my soul to the world even now as a boring programmer
         | dad.
        
           | mmaunder wrote:
           | Writing can be a process of excavation if you choose to go
           | that route in fiction or non-fiction, and it can be deeply
           | personal and deeply risky and rewarding. But there are other
           | paths. Try writing on a subject you're passionate about and
           | follow the journalist's rule of never injecting yourself into
           | the story. Having that red line may create a safe outlet you
           | might enjoy.
        
           | jacobr1 wrote:
           | There is always the route of "fiction inspired by real-life."
           | Use your stories, but change them. Maybe add a more coherent
           | narrative that doesn't exist in the vignettes of a lived-
           | life.
        
           | themadturk wrote:
           | But there's nothing wrong with writing and not sharing. If
           | the act of writing is the fundamental point of writing (the
           | journey is its own reward), it doesn't matter whether you
           | share it or not. It doesn't need to be shared, it doesn't
           | need to be good. It can be destroyed as soon as you finish
           | it.
        
         | prionassembly wrote:
         | My parents are classical musicians and always told this to me
         | about going into the arts as a career. I even went briefly to
         | film school, but backtracked because the career needed already-
         | mature social skills to a level that I didn't develop for
         | another 10 years. So I went STEMmish instead.
         | 
         | Now: I write because I can't not do it. I write to an audience
         | of approximately zero readers, give or take fifty-ish a month.
         | Even my Wordpress stats are way overstated as people probably
         | just look at weird words and bounce -- I do long philosophical
         | essays that very much depend on you having read my previous
         | essays. I spend uncounted hours on it; I shirk from work and
         | end up not looking for supplemental sources of income. Even
         | with a baby, now that I barely have time to brush my teeth,
         | whatever "me" time can be scraped is directed to my writing.
         | 
         | Sometimes I think I'm overtaken by delusions of grandeur, but
         | surely I'd have been discouraged by now.
        
           | heavyset_go wrote:
           | There's no shame in having a hobby you enjoy.
        
         | nfw2 wrote:
         | I agree that writers need to be motivated by something other
         | than their own ego. But I disagree that routines aren't
         | tremendously helpful, even for those uniquely inspired to
         | write. People suited to write face the same challenges with
         | self-control and time-management as everyone else.
         | 
         | For example, consider this interview with David Foster Wallace:
         | 
         | DFW: If past experience holds true, I will probably write an
         | hour a day and spend 8 hours a day biting my knuckle and
         | worrying about not writing.
         | 
         | CR: Not worrying about what to write?
         | 
         | DFW: Worrying about not writing.
        
           | TeMPOraL wrote:
           | This. I'll also add: people suffering from various levels of
           | executive dysfunction, e.g. from ADHD. In those cases, the
           | routines externalize executive functions, helping people
           | who'd really love to write, except their own brain isn't
           | cooperating.
        
           | nfw2 wrote:
           | I also expect, just from my own experience, that starting a
           | writing routine can actually cause the obsessive motivation
           | to write, rather than vice-versa.
           | 
           | I started writing a musical last year while stuck in my NYC
           | apartment during the COVID peak. At first, it was just a way
           | to cope with the boredom. After a few weeks of writing every
           | day, it became more and more difficult to think about
           | anything else. Eventually I stopped, not because writing was
           | too hard, but because it too hard to get through my day job.
           | 
           | I'm not implying that I have the necessary talent to succeed
           | as a writer, but I expect successful writers feel similarly
           | about their writing process.
        
         | bachmeier wrote:
         | Just as there are many ways to be a programmer, there are many
         | ways to be a writer. I'd estimate that for the vast majority of
         | people in the US, writing of some kind would be a good thing.
         | Everyone thinks. Writing is a different form of thinking.
        
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