[HN Gopher] Retro collectors are uncovering hoards of old data
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       Retro collectors are uncovering hoards of old data
        
       Author : LarryPage
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2021-10-29 18:40 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | II2II wrote:
       | I collected old machines about 20 years ago. It was very common
       | to leave the data intact back then, even if it was being donated
       | to a thrift store (where sale to an unknown party was assured)
       | rather than being dropped at a recycle depot (where there was an
       | assumption the machine would be destroyed).
       | 
       | There was no real dilemma regarding what to do with the data, it
       | was wiped without peeking. I figured out that looking for
       | interesting software was unethical early on, since launching some
       | software will expose you to the prior owner's data automatically
       | (e.g. databases) while browsing the directory structure for such
       | software can open the perilous doors of curiosity. Not only that,
       | but it is very rare for the data to require preservation. Most
       | machines are intentionally disposed of. The cited case of a
       | stolen computer is likely rare (though I suppose that depends
       | upon one's sources and the market value of the machine).
       | 
       | I was recently given an old machine by someone I was barely
       | acquainted with, data intact. He said he didn't mind if I looked,
       | just destroy the data if I pass it on to someone else. I took the
       | liberty to create bootable diskettes from the existing software
       | since I haven't had a vintage computer in well over a decade.
       | There was no question about how to handle the data though: even
       | with permission, it had to be destroyed.
        
       | HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
       | Not retro, but when I worked for a consulting company, one of our
       | clients had just acquired a small electronics company. He gave me
       | all the information he had about the product we were supposed to
       | update. He did a data dump without looking closely at the files
       | because one of the flash drives had a bunch of invoices issued by
       | the previous software consulting company so we had a pretty
       | detailed view into what they were paying that vendor. I turned
       | them over to our GM. No idea if he ever used the information!
        
         | progman32 wrote:
         | I once pulled an image of the CF card in my work's coffee
         | machine (darn thing runs Slax linux...). I found a well-
         | appointed home directory full of the developer's web history.
         | Yes, they copy from Stack Overflow too.
        
       | bob229 wrote:
       | Amazing that such a tedious article has so many upvotes
        
       | AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
       | I still hold out hope that the very first game I ever made, in
       | middle school using HyperStudio[0] on a Mac running At Ease for
       | its desktop, will turn up on archive.org some day.
       | 
       | [0] It may have been HyperCard with some extensions for color. I
       | distinctly remember color.
        
       | p_l wrote:
       | I once managed to rescue AlphaServer 255/233 from being parceled
       | out by unknowing e-waste dealer. Spent a bit of time trying to
       | connect everything, connected the serial terminal that came with
       | it, flipped the power switch expecting empty machine...
       | 
       | ... Lo and behold, I see it autobooting into _heavily customized_
       | VMS 6.1 (first patch level that could boot on it), that turns out
       | to be special _Blockbuster Video_ version with appliance-style
       | licenses loaded (NET-APP-150), probably designed to run with a
       | DECserver connecting multiple terminals over LAT.
       | 
       | Turned out the second of two SCSI drives still held not just the
       | custom BBV software, but also the database, including PII and
       | history data, with flags like "18+" on various movies.
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | I have a bunch of 8" floppy disks I got from fleaBay that have
         | student records from a community college in California.
         | 
         | I have no use for them, so I just have one framed on the wall
         | for nostalgia's sake.
        
       | blueflow wrote:
       | A few month ago i took a machine from a scrapyard. That machine
       | fell into my eye because its PSU had a female C13 socket in
       | addition to the male C14 one, which i took as indication for an
       | AT (not ATX) machine.
       | 
       | It turned out to be a pentium with ISA ports. I cleaned it, upon
       | booting, i noticed the CMOS battery needed replacement. The CMOS
       | was part of the dreaded Dallas 1287 RTC. Cutting it open and
       | attaching another story, but i did it. Reading the required disk
       | geometry from the label, i was able to configure the CMOS
       | correctly for the disk to boot.
       | 
       | The yield: It boots into a windows 95 desktop, with a naked women
       | with spread legs as a desktop background. I guess i recovered
       | someones porn collection.
        
       | ChuckMcM wrote:
       | It isn't uncommon and it does raise generally ethical questions.
       | I rescued a VAX 4000/600 and found that it still had the original
       | drives in the main chassis (they aren't obviously in there and
       | the system had an external drive chassis that had been
       | destroyed.) The disks contained the OS and a shipping ledger (it
       | came from a logistics company) of shipments that had come and
       | gone from SFO during it's lifetime. Just from, to, short
       | description of the contents and a tag of 'customs duty' or not.
       | 
       | Given that it was clear the company thought they had destroyed
       | all of the data on the system I went ahead and deleted all of the
       | non-system related files, leaving just the OS and layered
       | products that they had originally installed.
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | I used to salvage a lot of discarded PCs (use the parts,
       | refurbish, etc.).
       | 
       | I quickly decided on a rule to immediately wipe any hard drive,
       | and destroy any drive that couldn't be wiped.
       | 
       | One reason is that I'd been involved in some early online privacy
       | discussions, so I had an awareness that snooping might be
       | invasive.
       | 
       | But if curiosity might tempt me to rationalize away the nagging
       | sense of possible invasiveness, there was a second reason...
       | 
       | I never wanted to technically be in possession of, say, a private
       | photo that a 17.9 year-old took. Nor ever see anything worse than
       | that. Thus, immediately pull and DBAN/destroy any hard drive.
       | 
       | Given that I eventually salvaged around 100 PCs, the private
       | photos scenario didn't seem too unlikely.
        
       | beauzero wrote:
       | Old computers are the new "old farmer's barn". You open it up and
       | find some interesting stuff inside.
        
       | agumonkey wrote:
       | people still leave unwiped hard drives into machines, sometimes
       | because old and forgotten but sometimes because the usb bridge
       | died but the actual hdd is working fine
       | 
       | beware
        
       | yardie wrote:
       | I bought an old Sparcstation at university auction. After gaining
       | access found one of my professor's account. It was his
       | workstation. Had a chuckle, wiped it, and installed FreeBSD.
        
         | kps wrote:
         | Some years ago I got a workstation (either a VAXstation or MIPS
         | DECstation) that originally belonged to a university group
         | where my then-boss had studied. Since the OS was old enough to
         | have used the original weak crypt(3) for /etc/passwd, I
         | checked... and yes, he did still use the same password.
         | 
         | (I wiped it and installed NetBSD.)
        
       | Lammy wrote:
       | This happened to me once nearly a decade ago when I copped a
       | Powerbook Duo 270c from a flea market in San Francisco and ended
       | up with all the defense attorney's files for this dude:
       | http://www.murderpedia.org/male.R/r1/rich-darrell-keith.htm :S
        
       | classichasclass wrote:
       | My personal experience with this: finding an old test NNTP server
       | from Netscape. http://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-
       | apple-network-...
        
         | sneak wrote:
         | I think all of us old unix admins have variously been
         | fascinated by the Apple Network Server boxes, and this one is a
         | prototype even!
        
       | ghaff wrote:
       | I have a big "hard disk museum." Partly because it's sort of a
       | cool collection going back to old 5 1/4" platter days. But also
       | because, at a minimum, I'd want to give the drives a few whacks
       | with a sledgehammer before I tossed them. I'd also want to at
       | least look through my floppies to make sure there's no "personal
       | info backup" one.
        
       | handrous wrote:
       | Teenage-me once found a DOS porn text adventure on a used 286 I
       | bought from someone up the street, at a garage sale. This was
       | shortly before dual-core processors hit the market as a common
       | item, so the 286 was already ancient by then. Never found it
       | anywhere else, but I later scrapped the thing without thinking to
       | preserve any of the stuff on the disk, in part because I didn't
       | yet realize this was rare software, and just assumed it existed
       | other places. It was really simple even by the standards of that
       | kind of thing, just a single encounter that started with
       | specifying some physical stats for your, ah, partner, which
       | affected some of the in-game descriptions. For all I know the
       | previous owner wrote it themselves in BASIC or something, and
       | that was the only copy in existence.
        
       | SavantIdiot wrote:
       | I bought a MacSE at an estate sale and found a bunch of half
       | written stories [novels?] (they weren't very good).
       | 
       | I'm so glad everything is password protected & encrypted on my
       | machines now. Wouldn't want some rando to buy my funeral estate
       | and find personal stuff on my hardware. My next of kin are my
       | parents so I don't think they'd be very savvy about destroying
       | drives.
        
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