[HN Gopher] 31/2 years on my custom emperor mattress - a retrosp...
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       31/2 years on my custom emperor mattress - a retrospective
        
       Author : MiddleEndian
       Score  : 86 points
       Date   : 2021-10-29 20:55 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | dsauerbrun wrote:
       | I can't imagine needing a bed like that for any other reason
       | besides hosting giant orgies. I hope your ridiculous bed brings
       | you many more years of enjoyment!
        
         | almog wrote:
         | Either that or residents of Wyoming:
         | https://sleepboutique.ca/alaskan-king-wyoming-king-beds-aka-...
         | 
         | Alaskans will not ""sleep"" in beds smaller than 9' x 9' it
         | seems.
        
           | math0ne wrote:
           | haha, that video is hilarious!
        
             | jimt1234 wrote:
             | Wait. Are you my kid? Oh well, go to sleep. LOL
        
           | White_Wolf wrote:
           | Christ... that 9x9 bed is almost as big as our bedroom(30cm
           | left to the wall).
        
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         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | Well, no comment on that one! :P
         | 
         | But I do enjoy the bed quite a bit lol
        
       | chrisBob wrote:
       | I am very interested in the buckling gel, and I have considered
       | getting a mattress from Purple a few times. Is it a significant
       | upgrade from memory foam?
        
         | MikeKusold wrote:
         | Purple is carried by some mattress stores. When I laid on it, I
         | immediately didn't like it. It has an unstable feel to it
         | because of the grids.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | It's somewhat subjective of course, but for me it's a huge
         | upgrade.
         | 
         | Form-wise, memory foam will respond to your positions but I
         | feel like it's very slow and I also feel like I'm slowly
         | sinking downward forever when I sleep on memory foam. Buckling
         | gel responds very quickly, latex does as well. Latex is more
         | springy, makes for a good core and isn't too bad to sleep on
         | directly itself either, but buckling gel really fills in gaps
         | and is super supportive.
         | 
         | Temperature-wise, memory foam makes me very hot when I sleep
         | and I dislike that. Latex is much cooler and buckling gel even
         | cooler than that.
         | 
         | (Everything I said about latex applies to polyurethane, which I
         | believe Purple uses for its core rather than latex)
        
         | thethethethe wrote:
         | I had a purple 2 king and it was very comfortable but the
         | motion transfer was bad. I suggest getting something else of
         | you have a partner and a couple of grand to spend
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | I originally read that as "caveat emptor mattress", which would
       | also be a fun topic.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | Given the weird materials people put in commercial mattresses,
         | this is wouldn't be too far from the truth for most people.
        
       | Waterluvian wrote:
       | The best thing about a square mattress is that once you have the
       | right sheets, you can't screw up which way they go on.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | Not gonna lie that was a factor in me choosing emperor (7x7)
         | over caesar (8x7) originally. Square is a good shape.
        
         | tshaddox wrote:
         | Speaking of that, where do you get sheets for this thing? I
         | don't see that mentioned in either article. I suppose they
         | ought to be a bit easier to custom manufacture than the
         | mattress itself.
        
           | retzkek wrote:
           | I was wondering the same thing, it's in the original article:
           | 
           | > I ordered a custom-sized bamboo bed set from Advanced
           | Bedding. Their website had a form where I could just fill in
           | the dimensions so it seemed like it would be the only
           | purchase that didn't involve any human interaction, but they
           | called to confirm anyway as the numbers were "unusual."
        
           | MiddleEndian wrote:
           | The other posts covered the sheet sizes, but this reminds me
           | of something I forgot to include in my article.
           | 
           | My comforter is too large for my washing machine, so I wash
           | it in the tub every few months.
        
           | s5300 wrote:
           | Mentioned halfway down under "sheets" from his hyperlinked OG
           | build thread.
           | 
           | https://www.middleendian.com/emperor
        
       | aroundtown wrote:
       | The one question I wanted answered, how good is the sex on a
       | mattress this big.
       | 
       | Nobody talks of how foam mattresses change the dynamics of sex.
       | Gone is the nice bounce back from the coils. Instead you get the
       | firm motion deadening of the foam. Participants expecting to find
       | that extra spring in their step find they have to provide their
       | own bounce. I hope your muscles are up for it.
       | 
       | I personally don't having sex on a foam mattress. I think those
       | seeking a foam mattress should consider keeping around a spare
       | coiled sex bed. Call it your guest bed if so inclined. It will be
       | there for you, providing that extra spring you may be missing
       | from you foam mattress.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | This is certainly not as squishy as most foam mattresses, it's
         | not memory foam, the materials are pretty bouncy. Plus the
         | buckling gel allows you to have good on-the-fly form fitted
         | gripping locations. So to keep this HN appropriate, I'll just
         | say no complaints here!
        
       | lapetitejort wrote:
       | Is there an authority on mattress size naming standards to whom I
       | may offer a suggestion? Having just read Julian by Gore Vidal, I
       | learned that a few centuries after Caesar and Augustus, the title
       | of Caesar ranked below that of Augustus (well played, Gaius
       | Octavius). I suggest King->Caesar->Augustus.
       | 
       | However if we want to get into semantics, the word King descends
       | from the word Caesar. Perhaps replace King with Minister, and
       | Queen with Representative?
        
         | dorfsmay wrote:
         | I'd much prefer 2x3 fora 2m by 3m bed. Poetic names confuses
         | me: Why is a twin different than a double but the exact same
         | thing as a single? Call them by their size, done.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | If I do make that 8'4"x8'4" mattress I'll call it an Augustus
         | as you suggest.
        
         | violiner wrote:
         | "King" is derived from Old English "cyning". Some similar words
         | (Tsar and Kaiser, for example) derive from "Caesar", but "king"
         | isn't one of them.
        
           | Jtsummers wrote:
           | You beat me to it. Only fresh in my mind because of the
           | Anglo-Saxon and Latin discussions also on the front page
           | right now (I'd grabbed a couple books off the shelf and was
           | trying to read them, I've forgotten a lot in 15 years and
           | didn't make it far).
        
             | violiner wrote:
             | High fives none the less.
        
       | EastOfTruth wrote:
       | Cool project but it seems odd that you didn't really save any
       | money since mattresses appear to be so over-priced.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | I'd say the lack of price savings are mainly these three
         | factors:
         | 
         | Material quality: Purple, which I roughly used as inspiration
         | for my original mattress design, used polyurethane which is
         | cheaper and lighter, but less durable, than the latex I used
         | for the core of my mattress. I have no idea what they used now
         | but that was the case at the time.
         | 
         | Economies of scale: They can keep making the same few shapes
         | cheaper. I was unable to buy specific dimensions of buckling
         | column gel so I had to buy several toppers to extract the
         | material and I only used 49 square feet out of the 64 square
         | feet (although I found other uses for some of the remaining
         | gel), plus the toppers came with other cheap foam that I had
         | little use for. It's really difficult to order buckling column
         | gel directly.
         | 
         | The literal scale: My mattress is larger than most of the US
         | mattress companies, more material = more money. I imagine an
         | emperor sized mattress would be similarly or more expensive
         | from Purple. I would've gotten slightly better ROI per size had
         | I made my bed larger due to the aforementioned discarded
         | buckling column gel. Plus I needed to get nonstandard custom
         | sheets and a custom sized encasement.
        
       | MiddleEndian wrote:
       | The original hacker news thread from when I built the mattress:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17558719
        
         | arthurjj wrote:
         | "At this point, I decided the only thing that made sense was to
         | build my own from scratch."
         | 
         | This is such a beautiful sentence and sentiment. If HN were to
         | have a motto it could do a lot worse than that
        
           | JackMorgan wrote:
           | This is the spirit that keeps me coming back for more!
        
       | jbelich wrote:
       | I did something similar to you, except I used progressively less
       | dense layers of latex (also from foamorder.com). CalKing rather
       | than anything larger, but I've considered larger and I've been
       | thinking it's better to make an Emperor or Caesar size formed
       | from two halves.
       | 
       | it's been 10 years btw since I build mine. There's a slight give
       | in the densest lower layer but it's held up enough that I still
       | only really need to replace the top layer to get it back up to
       | snuff.
       | 
       | My question: how in the hell do you afford sheets that size? lol
        
       | goldcd wrote:
       | As an entirely subjective point - I went from fully sprung, to a
       | Tempur (all foam) and both had benefits and both weren't 'right'
       | Currently have a 'Simba' (Just one of the UK's many internet
       | mattress brands) which has coil+foam -
       | https://simbasleep.com/products/mattress and think it gives the
       | best of both worlds.
       | 
       | Sorry, I now realize this sounds like an advert - but I'm
       | fascinated how 'online mattresses' have become 'a thing' Previous
       | online examples (say amazon with books) were just higlighting
       | that online can provide the same item you could checkout offline,
       | for less.
       | 
       | Mattresses should be an item you have to check out in person -
       | but due to the outrageous markups, people will now happily buy
       | sight-unseen online.
        
         | rootusrootus wrote:
         | > due to the outrageous markups
         | 
         | Not only that, but traditional mattress shops still use some of
         | the highest pressure sales tactics I've experienced. It only
         | takes once to make you never want to set foot in one again.
        
         | glitchcrab wrote:
         | I really wasn't keen on the idea of buying a mattress without
         | testing it, but then the more I thought about it the more I
         | realised that spending a few minutes on it in a showroom is not
         | even remotely indicative as to what a whole night would be
         | like.
         | 
         | I caved and purchased a Nectar mattress (I'm also in the UK),
         | mostly because you got a year's (!) money back guarantee. Best
         | choice I ever made - it highlighted how poor my old mattress
         | was and I never needed to use the guarantee.
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | I was honestly concerned about whether I'd like the materials
         | in person but I definitely passed out on it in various stages
         | of construction to confirm I was going in the right direction.
         | 
         | Nowadays you probably have a friend or two who's ordered an
         | online mattress you can try out.
        
         | gifnamething wrote:
         | My Simba pillow - essentially made from mattress offcuts - has
         | collapsed quite a lot in around 6 months. It's fine for now but
         | I worry about the future. On the other hand, the throw is
         | lovely.
        
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