[HN Gopher] Hegel Today
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Hegel Today
Author : hooboy
Score : 56 points
Date : 2021-10-29 20:38 UTC (2 days ago)
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| humanistbot wrote:
| Ah yes, the man who believed that the human struggle was a
| deterministic process of synthesis crashing into antithesis over
| and over again, with each new generation overturning the prior
| and then regressing back a bit, building from small tribes to
| modern civilization. A process of continual improvement that,
| according to Hegel, can be logically derived from first
| principles so that the arc of civilization just happens to
| culminate in the greatest accomplishment of reason understanding
| itself: the reformed Prussian state of 1807.
| medo-bear wrote:
| here is an excellent archive of his works, including hypertext
| and diagrams of his logical system
|
| Hegel by HyperText:
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| https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/index.htm
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| Visualiation of the Science of Logic:
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| http://autio.github.io/projects/scienceoflogic/
| bluquark wrote:
| For those new to Hegel, _The Accessible Hegel_ by philosopher
| Michael Allen Fox is a great nutshell introduction book.
|
| As a software engineer, I was surprised to see how some of
| Hegel's ideas describe dynamics I've observed in my career. His
| dialectical process resembles how software systems evolve over
| time, and his "Spirit" reminds me of the ferment of ideas and
| collaboration on the Internet. The beauty of Hegel's rich texts
| is that each generation of readers brings him back to life in a
| new way.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| Reminds me of the Foucault quote
|
| _" Truly to escape Hegel involves an exact appreciation of the
| price we have to pay to detach ourselves from him. It assumes
| that we are aware of the extent to which Hegel, insidiously
| perhaps, is close to us; it implies a knowledge, in that which
| permits us to think against Hegel, of that which remains
| Hegelian. We have to determine the extent to which our anti-
| Hegelianism is possibly one of his tricks directed against us,
| at the end of which he stands, motionless, waiting for us"_
|
| A another engineer / not-trained philosopher I was also
| surprised how intuitive Hegel's ideas were when I started to
| read philosophy on my own, having had the idea in my head that
| he's not understandable at all. (Of course that's not to say he
| isn't actually difficult at a higher level that probably went
| over my head)
| kardianos wrote:
| Align yourself with truth, not dialectics.
|
| Down with Hegal.
| throwaway2331 wrote:
| Hegel's views on education seem to mirror policy (almost 1:1)
| in the U.S. Perhaps, if only because the Prussian education
| system was imported into our culture, by our Founding Robber
| Baron fathers.
|
| Unfortunately, It'll be hard to go against his views, since
| they've been baked into almost every child's subconscious as
| "this is just how life is."
| culi wrote:
| Interesting. Could you give an example of education policy
| that can be traced to Hegel's views?
| throwaway2331 wrote:
| I cannot.
|
| I can only make observations that Hegel's writings on
| education mirror the realities of U.S. public (and most
| private) schools -- if only because he was a teacher in the
| "Prussian System," (itself, a reactionary thing born of
| Frederick William III's loss of face from losing to
| Napoleon) and thus his views were molded by his culture and
| the time he lived in.
|
| I don't think Hegel really had any say in the matter -- or
| was that popular (or even heard of) among policymakers of
| the 19th and 20th centuries. Only that he is a window into
| the soul (or rather its destruction) of his nation at the
| time.
| philosopher1234 wrote:
| How are dialectics opposed to truth?
| dang wrote:
| " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something._"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| gtsop wrote:
| Seeing people getting excited about hegel is like seeing a kid
| learning physics and getting excited about newton's laws. Surely,
| it's a step forward to one's individual knowledge, it is a
| stepping stone, but the human intelect has gone beyond that and
| there are bigger problems to be solved.
|
| So, when adressing an individual, props for discovering a great
| philosopher. When adressig a community of people/philosophers
| going back to hegel though... ouch... that's a regression...
|
| My fear (for lack of a better word) is that people now portray
| hegel as something progressive. Whereas it should be more of
| those journeys we do as devs, where we take a closer look at some
| of the basic low level tools we use (eg read the docs of a
| language, or linux, or bash), learn them more in depth and then
| go back to doing more advanced stuff using that knowledge.
| paganel wrote:
| I'm not a philosopher by any means but I do believe that
| philosophy is actually the history of philosophy (or a very
| close approximation of that), and for that reason Hegel or
| Thomas Aquinas or Epicurus are as contemporary now when it
| comes to philosophy as they were when they were alive.
|
| Yes, there are ups and downs in their reception (for example
| the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas has had a long hiatus from
| public perception in the 1700s and the 1800s) but that only
| happened because of our different way to read/interpret the
| history of philosophy hence philosophy itself (the materialists
| in France and the empiricists in Britain weren't that fond of
| Aquinas).
| JacksonGariety wrote:
| Yes! Also, plug for my Hegel blog: http://hegelsbagels.net/
| defen wrote:
| I was wondering who had been printing these out and posting
| them on telephone poles around Portland.
| JacksonGariety wrote:
| You caught me!
| culi wrote:
| Continental philosophy is making a comeback! The kids love Zizek
| Emma_Goldman wrote:
| 'Continental' philosophy never went anywhere, it was only
| sidelined among certain parts of the Anglophone academy. The
| analytic-continental distinction is nonsensical to begin with,
| given that one is a style, the other a geography.
| sndksb wrote:
| "the me-you distinction is nonsensical to begin with, given
| that one is an experience, the other an organism"
| recuter wrote:
| I find him to be a bit of a character, and a lovable one at
| that, but can't bring myself to actually sit down and
| listen/read because of it - am I missing out?
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| medo-bear wrote:
| its cool that hegel is being thought about again in
| professional philosophy, but zizek is not mentioned in the
| article
| RNCTX wrote:
| again?
|
| we are all rats trapped in Hegel's maze until the apocalypse
| ;).
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| B1FF_PSUVM wrote:
| > Thus, not only was Hegel's system grandiose metaphysics, it was
| grandiose theology as well.
|
| Modern theology is a lot more fun than the stuff they worked with
| in Aquinas' time. Dangerous, too.
|
| > And last, the obscurity of Hegel's writing made rejecting
| Hegelian philosophy all the easier. After all, who could tell
| what he was actually saying?
|
| But then interpreting the prophet is probably a more secure job
| ...
|
| > Unravelling his turgid prose turns out to be worth the effort,
| affording us glimpses of how things 'hang together' that others
| miss.
|
| On the other hand, Schopenhauer (as anti-Hegel as they come) hit
| quite a few good points writing clear and elegant prose, even
| tossing out witty essays as a sort of topping.
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