[HN Gopher] HashiCorp - S1
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       HashiCorp - S1
        
       Author : mootpt
       Score  : 493 points
       Date   : 2021-11-04 17:58 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | humantorso wrote:
       | Im gonna take this moment to plug cdktf:
       | https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform-cdk
       | 
       | It's something I have been playing with recently and oh boy the
       | possibilities here are really exciting.
        
         | michelledepeil wrote:
         | What kind of possibilities do you see?
         | 
         | Right now, I don't see the point - It makes sense to use a
         | special language, with a relatively short learning curve, to
         | develop infra as opposed to executable code. But maybe I'm not
         | thinking big enough.
        
         | hackandtrip wrote:
         | Did not know it existed, extremely cool indeed! By skimming it
         | I still think Pulumi might have a better Dev UX, but surely
         | Terraform is still catching up
        
       | shubik22 wrote:
       | Congrats to HashiCorp for their IPO and for building an awesome
       | suite of tools.
       | 
       | I attended a Papers We Love meetup back in 2015 where Armon
       | Dadgar, HashiCorp's CTO, gave the main talk on Bloom filters and
       | HyperLogLog (interested parties can watch a recording of the talk
       | here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Bt9Tn6P5c). It was an
       | awesome, very educational talk (on a topic I was previously
       | unfamiliar with), and based on my very limited impression, Armon
       | struck me as a really smart, intellectually curious and nice
       | person. Great to see Armon/Hashicorp achieve such a huge,
       | positive milestone.
        
       | hangonhn wrote:
       | Congratulations! The IPO is a confirmation of what many of us in
       | this field already knew: Hashicorp makes amazing tools. I love
       | Consul so much. I'm glad the larger world will appreciate the
       | great work Hashicorp has done as well.
        
       | kaycebasques wrote:
       | Does anyone have an idea regarding when the stock (HCP) will be
       | tradable? It doesn't look like an IPO date has been announced.
       | Perhaps, once an S-1 is filed, the IPO is usually X weeks after
       | that?
        
       | gtirloni wrote:
       | HashiCorp is like Docker Inc done right.
        
       | sciurus wrote:
       | Dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29110469
        
         | simlevesque wrote:
         | it's actually the opposite
        
         | dang wrote:
         | simlevesque is right - this one was posted a hair earlier, so
         | we've merged the other thread hither. Thanks for pointing it
         | out!
        
       | adamsvystun wrote:
       | Love HashiCorp, though not sure what to think about
       | Sales&Marketing to R&D ratio, which is 2:1 (141kk vs 65kk in
       | 2021). Maybe people who read S1s more often can tell if this a
       | normal ratio? Seems pretty high to me.
        
         | jcdavis wrote:
         | Pretty standard for enterprise SAAS companies.
        
         | HatchedLake721 wrote:
         | Why does it seem high to you and what is it based on?
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | There have been hundreds of crazy tech success stories in the
       | last few years, but as someone who considers himself an engineer
       | at heart, this one gives me the greatest amount of joy and
       | optimism. Both founders are industry-wide leaders in their field
       | and still treat writing code and solving complex technical
       | problems as their primary job.
        
         | v1g1l4nt3 wrote:
         | Agree! Here's a recent video of Mitchell at Dev Tool Time
         | proving your statement: https://srcgr.ph/mitchell-hashimoto
        
       | sedatk wrote:
       | Off-topic but HashiCorp sounds a lot like the name of a company
       | that manufactures life-like androids in a cyberpunk setting.
        
         | Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
         | Their logo reinforces that. It looks like it had the same
         | designer of the OCP logo from Robocop.
        
       | fideloper wrote:
       | Mitchell stepping down to become a "IC" has got to be related to
       | planning for this, right?
        
         | mootpt wrote:
         | Almost certainly
        
           | mromanuk wrote:
           | why he stepped down as CEO, then CTO and now IC?
        
             | qbasic_forever wrote:
             | CEO of a publicly traded company is a vastly different job
             | than CEO of a private startup. Your job is to make money
             | for shareholders, not pursue a vision. It's not something
             | everyone wants to do and is likely a lot less rewarding for
             | someone who successfully creates a technology company.
        
             | v1g1l4nt3 wrote:
             | He's a true engineer at heart. This is him at Dev Tool Time
             | recently: https://srcgr.ph/mitchell-hashimoto
        
             | that_guy_iain wrote:
             | If I was to guess, he wants to write code and he started
             | the company so he could write code. He just had to do those
             | jobs along the way to get to the point where he could just
             | focus on writing code and solving problems.
        
               | SteveMorin wrote:
               | Yes that's exactly the reason. I know them through
               | friends
        
             | estro0182 wrote:
             | So the company can bring in outside execs without ousting
             | one of the founders from a C-suite role.
        
             | jldugger wrote:
             | If I had to guess:
             | 
             | 1. Perhaps because he can.
             | 
             | 2. Because being a CEO of a public company comes with a lot
             | of rules around disclosure of material public information
             | and equal access. It takes a special kind of person to
             | disregard general consel and just shitpost on twitter with
             | zero review while directly responsible to shareholders. I
             | don't know what kind of safe harbor Elon thinks Twitter
             | offers but I doubt it applies to Github code review.
        
       | AtNightWeCode wrote:
       | My thoughts not facts. I know that there are more products then I
       | mention.
       | 
       | I fail to see in what segment Hashicorp will remain relevant over
       | time.
       | 
       | Terraform is the tool I mostly see companies pay for. Over time
       | cloud vendors will make Terraform obsolete. In fact it is already
       | a problem to use Terraform since it can not move at the same pace
       | as major cloud vendors.
       | 
       | Vault is an extremely complicated niche tool, most companies
       | should not use.
       | 
       | Consul, the service discovery tool is mostly not needed in cloud
       | environments. Don't think any cloud vendor today have Consul as a
       | service on their agenda even though this has been announced years
       | ago which is a warning sign. Personally I really like Consul and
       | the way you can set up ACL for instance.
       | 
       | Vagrant, use whatever.
       | 
       | Nomad has lost the battle with Kubernetes a long time ago. I
       | never trusted Nomad and I never will but I can see that if you
       | really want to orchestrate a lot of containers Nomad may be the
       | right tool.
       | 
       | When selecting an identity platform you mainly have to go along
       | with the corruption in the industry...
       | 
       | I really wish Hashicorp good luck on this journey though.
        
         | runlevel1 wrote:
         | Multi cloud, hybrid, and on-prem often need solutions that
         | aren't married to a single cloud provider.
         | 
         | That's not all companies. It's not even the majority of them.
         | But those companies do tend to be the ones who can afford
         | HashiCorp's premium offerings.
         | 
         | Edit: Fix typo.
        
         | vngzs wrote:
         | A lot of big finance companies use Nomad for all their compute
         | scheduling. Citadel, for instance. They desire the ability to
         | schedule Windows workloads, containers, regular processes, etc.
         | through a common interface. They might not want or need to go
         | all-in on containers.
         | 
         | Vault has a similar target market. Big high-paying
         | institutions. It's not the average market of your tech company,
         | and 100-200 person startups generally won't need it. If you're
         | in the fintech space, maybe you do.
        
         | thunderthunder wrote:
         | I really don't feel K8S have won this battle. I agree people
         | talk more about K8S but i have seen a trend in people that are
         | disappointed with K8S and move against Nomad instead. I guess
         | K8S is too messy. It's like taking a 2015 enterprise vsphere
         | datacenter environment and containerizing it. Too many layers..
         | But of course, there's no fully managed Hashicorp offer for all
         | products in GCP or AWS, Azure....
        
           | AtNightWeCode wrote:
           | I do not really understand why people run so many things in
           | containers in the first place. Sure, for sand-boxing and
           | sometimes resource utilization, but the large services I
           | worked on have always been on 10+ dedicated high-end servers
           | with 200GB+ memory each. Absolutely zero need for any
           | additional abstractions. You can also design solutions that
           | use a lot of memory in contrast to containers.
        
         | jordanbeiber wrote:
         | I feel I need to reply with my thoughts.
         | 
         | - Vault is not niche - it's THE way to manage pki and
         | credentials if you're half serious about security. Which is why
         | you're now are starting to see managed vault.
         | 
         | - Consul - EVERYONE should use service discovery, cloud or not.
         | It's indispensable for numerous reasons. If you doubt it's
         | relevance, check out the Kubernetes integration work - there's
         | a reason for that focus. You need service discovery if you
         | operate at any sort of scale, spanning multiple providers and
         | teams (Azure have a managed consul offering btw).
         | 
         | - "Trust" nomad? The team and I have used it since 0.4 and 0.6
         | in full production at two different companies. K8s as well, but
         | it lacks the unix vibe of "one thing, and do it well", which is
         | something you get with nomad, consul & vault. Nomad has been
         | rock solid and I've so far had no reason to not "trust" it,
         | 100s of thousands of deploys later.
         | 
         | - terraform spans many providers. It's a good tool, not without
         | it's quirks. But I'd rather have one quirky tool than multiple
         | quirky vendor ones. Also, we use TF for basically everything -
         | even the stuff we host in-house through lxc and postgres for
         | example, and through home grown providers as well.
         | 
         | I could write pages on the hashicorp products!
        
           | AtNightWeCode wrote:
           | All major clouds have better alternatives to Vault. Vault is
           | mostly for really large companies that want to run things
           | like this by themself.
           | 
           | There is no need for service discovery in the cloud in
           | general.
           | 
           | I have also used Nomad a lot. Maybe it is because we always
           | needed the cutting edge features in general, but in general
           | not very good quality. Core features always worked though.
           | People should use Kubernetes instead in most cases.
           | 
           | There is simply no way Terraform and the HCL2 will survive
           | for cloud environments. For other use cases I do not know.
        
             | jordanbeiber wrote:
             | "People should use Kubernetes instead" is an interesting
             | take considering your first paragraph. :) You've perhaps
             | not had to troubleshooting issues in a more advanced k8s
             | setup - that is something that is not "for most people".
             | 
             | Keeping services discoverable, with service health-checks
             | and configuration data at hand in the k/v is not needed in
             | the "cloud"? I guess a lot comes down to how you opt to
             | manage you services... It's what etc does, but worse (imo),
             | for k8s. My usual work with larger infrastructure spans
             | more than k8s or a single provider, hence consul is a
             | given.
             | 
             | To my knowledge no other secrets solution exists that cover
             | all the things vault does, and at the same lets you stay
             | provider agnostic. It integrates well with the major cloud
             | providers though!
        
               | AtNightWeCode wrote:
               | What I am saying is that Kubernetes has become the
               | mainstream tool to use. You have to put up good reasons
               | or custom needs to use something else.
               | 
               | A thing I like about Consul is that you can also use it
               | as a KV. Something I lack in the cloud.
               | 
               | The Vault in Azure is the Keyvault which is all around
               | terrible but Keyvault in conjunction with how Azure works
               | in general is sufficient to build secure infrastructure.
        
       | neom wrote:
       | When Armon giggled then laughed at me as I asked him about
       | DigitalOcean buying Hashi back in the day, I knew they'd be a
       | billion dollar company. Armon and Mitchell are as good as they
       | come, certainly two of my favourite people I've met on my startup
       | journey.
       | 
       | I'm beaming with joy at the prospect of becoming a shareholder.
       | Well done team, well done.
        
       | 1cvmask wrote:
       | Seems like another success of the hybrid freemium/open source
       | model. I think we will see more of these in the enterprise space.
        
         | boringg wrote:
         | I think we need to see how it performs in the public markets
         | for a couple years to define success of the model. At this
         | point it is certainly a success for the early investors / co-
         | founders.
        
       | gigatexal wrote:
       | I can think of no better person who should get a windfall for all
       | his and his teams hard work than Mitchell. What an awesome human
       | being.
        
       | lamroger wrote:
       | Shoutout to Armon who was happy to give a talk at a DevOps for
       | Startups meetup!
        
       | marc__1 wrote:
       | wow
       | 
       |  _> As of July 31, 2021, we served 2,101 customers spanning
       | organizations of a broad range of sizes and industries, compared
       | to 1,473 and 831 customers as of January 31, 2021 and 2020,
       | respectively._
       | 
       |  _> over 300 of the Forbes Global 2000 were our customers_
       | 
       |  _> As of January 31, 2020, January 31, 2021, July 31, 2020, and
       | July 31, 2021, our last four quarter average net dollar retention
       | rate was 131%, 123%, 128%, and 124%, respectively._
       | 
       |  _> over 44% of our customers with $100,000 or greater ARR were
       | licensing more than one product_
        
       | baby wrote:
       | When can we expect the IPO to be after such a document is
       | published?
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | tomnipotent wrote:
         | Usually within 3-6 months, depending on how many rounds of
         | comments the SEC has.
        
           | farmerstan wrote:
           | Way too long. Less than a month after filing S-1. Company
           | already went through the rounds with SEC confidentially.
           | 
           | Source: wife is c-suite and took company through ipo in the
           | last year.
        
             | mootpt wrote:
             | my guess is early Dec
        
             | tomnipotent wrote:
             | You're absolutely right. I took a look at a handful of
             | recent IPOs (Snowflake, Unity, Gitlab) and they all
             | basically had just a month lag between S-1 filing and IPO
             | date.
        
         | marc__1 wrote:
         | After the JOBS act, roadshows can start 15 calendar days of
         | publicly filing the registration statement with the SEC (before
         | it was 21)
         | 
         | Roadshow may take 5-20 more days, so we may see them ring the
         | bell by mid-December
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | stefanmichael wrote:
       | Happy to see this, congrats to Mitch!
       | 
       | <Void> lives on
        
       | picardo wrote:
       | Mitch has always struck me as a singularly sincere and dedicated
       | individual. His passion for the end user experience show in his
       | every product decision. As a developer, I've enjoyed using his
       | tools more than I should. Most enterprise software is designed by
       | committee. Hashicorp's products feel like they were designed by
       | one person -- or perhaps they know their users extremely well.
        
       | gigatexal wrote:
       | From 2019 to 2021 revenue quadrupled but net loss only doubled.
       | They'll be profitable in no time. I will be buying shares.
        
       | WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote:
       | Absolute legend, rocket ship human Mitchell Hashimoto. I still
       | remember the excitement from Vagrant back in the day (which I
       | think started it all). Here's the 1.0 announcement in 2012. [1]
       | 
       | The tools and vision they created after, just amazing coming from
       | a small scrappy startup crew. Which, IMO, is totally wild given
       | the offerings clearly tend to target bigger Enterprise who have
       | bigger teams/apps/ops demand.
       | 
       | Then to walk away from $50MM barely older than drinking age. [2]
       | 
       | Seriously congratulations to them and the Hashicorp team. Will
       | likely invest and hold for a long time.
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3672149
       | 
       | [2] https://twitter.com/mitchellh/status/1357445215259250689
        
         | ryanisnan wrote:
         | Newb investor here, but huge hashi user. Do you have any
         | insight as to when stocks become available after an IPO?
        
           | nodesocket wrote:
           | You can buy the stock on the first day of trading. If you
           | want to try and get an allocation of shares at IPO price,
           | various brokerages have different processes where you apply.
           | I use E*Trade mostly, but Robinhood does have the best IPO
           | center of any brokerage I have seen.
        
         | mootpt wrote:
         | seems like just yesterday:
         | https://twitter.com/mitchellh/status/267047991674810368
        
       | wdella wrote:
       | Ever since Vagrant, everything Hashicorp has developed has been
       | outstanding! Furthermore, their open core model and this S1 is an
       | inspiration. I wish all the best for Mitchell, Armon and the
       | team!
       | 
       | I have a couple emails from Mitchell H circa 2014. He was doing
       | front line customer support for the Vagrant VMWare Workstation
       | provider -- I think it was just about their first paid offering.
       | I was impressed that the head of the company would take time to
       | help me troubleshoot my busted setup. Incredibly technical and
       | incredibly hard working.
        
       | nkotov wrote:
       | This is awesome. Hashicorp tools are great and I'd argue that
       | Terraform is one of the most important dev tools in the last ten
       | years.
        
       | shironandon wrote:
       | I have actively used Vagrant, Consul, Terraform, and Vault and I
       | really have never understood all the fanboyism for Hashicorp.
       | Their products are OK but easily replaceable and often redundant
       | in modern cloud providers. Wish them luck on their attempt to
       | cash in but I for one do not intend to buy any stock.
        
         | t_sawyer wrote:
         | Vault is only replaceable in cloud. Idk of any on-prem products
         | that have anywhere near Vaults functionality.
        
         | nodesocket wrote:
         | You are missing the point. They are the de-facto standard in
         | DevOps tooling from one person startups to gigantic public tech
         | FAANG companies.
         | 
         | My prediction, HashiCorp after IPO'ing will get acquired.
        
           | antoinealb wrote:
           | Which FAANG is public about using one of those?
        
       | that_guy_iain wrote:
       | When HashiCorp first got announced I thought "How is he going to
       | make a company out of Vagrant?" I was definitely wrong and on my
       | own projects I'm using lots of their products from packer to
       | nomad. Super cool to see someone/people create something like
       | HashiCorp out of what I originally thought would be a single
       | product.
        
         | ignoramous wrote:
         | To me, the more astonishing thing is, "How did HashiCorp excel
         | where Docker failed". I'd _pay_ to read a case-study on it, if
         | there 's one.
         | 
         | Edit: May be this comment from Mitchell sheds some 1st-party
         | perspective on _why_ it may be so:
         | 
         | > _...Terraform is WORKFLOW agnostic, not TECHNOLOGY agnostic.
         | This is a key part of our product philosophy that we make the
         | 1st element of our Tao:https://www.hashicorp.com/tao-of-
         | hashicorp_
         | 
         | > _I 've talked about this more with more references in this
         | tweet:
         | https://twitter.com/mitchellh/status/1078682765963350016_
         | 
         | > _I don 't think we've ever claimed cloud portability through
         | "write once run anywhere;" that isn't our marketing or sales
         | pitch and if we ever did make that claim please let me know and
         | I'll poke some teams to correct it. Our pitch is always to just
         | learn one workflow/tool and use it everywhere, but you
         | explicitly WILL rewrite cloud-specific modules/code/etc._
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29051020
        
           | hnmullany wrote:
           | The Terraform ecosystem worked with VM's - big difference vs.
           | Docker. The VMware ecosystem spends a TON of money on
           | software.
        
           | loosescrews wrote:
           | I think a big part of it is that Docker failed to expand much
           | beyond their initial offering. They tried, but weren't able
           | to get much traction. HashiCorp probably wouldn't be IPOing
           | with a multi-billion dollar valuation if they continued to
           | focus mainly on Vagrant.
        
       | leftnode wrote:
       | The impact Vagrant has had on my business is nearly immeasurable
       | (and for free, no less). We're a small startup, and I haven't had
       | the time (or motivation) to learn what Docker, Kubernetes,
       | containers, etc are. Seems overly complex.
       | 
       | But, virtual servers I can understand. I've been using Vagrant
       | since 2013 and it ... just works. We've built our own custom box
       | to standardize our development environment as well.
       | 
       | If there is one company and person I'd like to mimic, it's
       | Hashicorp and Mitchell. Work to build an amazing product or
       | products, get it ready for a sale or IPO, and then transition
       | into an IC to continue doing what I love: hacking.
       | 
       | Congratulations on the success!
        
         | handrous wrote:
         | > Docker
         | 
         | You can basically just treat it like a package manager and
         | config-assistant. It's often easier(!) to configure a Docker
         | image than the corresponding package, or set of packages, in
         | your typical distro. In part this is because documenting where
         | _all_ the config files and data live just kinda falls naturally
         | out of creating a half-decent image, and in part because good
         | images often put commonly-modified config options--which may
         | correspond to _multiple_ changes in the config files--in single
         | environment variables, for common use cases.
         | 
         | The main gotchas are making sure you've mapped any data
         | directories to something outside the image (which is trivial to
         | do with command-line options, if you prefer writing bash
         | scripts, or in docker-compose yaml, and very easy to test--add
         | some data, destroy the image, bring it back up, is your stuff
         | there? Yes? Good, you got it) so data isn't lost if the image
         | is replaced or destroyed, and making sure your port mapping
         | isn't doing anything dumb like exposing ports it shouldn't on a
         | public interface.
         | 
         | You don't have to use swarm or even actually learn how images
         | work. You can run your application outside of it and just use
         | pre-built official images from PostgreSQL, or whatever, and
         | enjoy a nice, cross-distro, also-sorta-works-on-Mac-and-
         | Windows, consistent set of project daemon dependencies, with an
         | interface that's the same on Red Hat or Gentoo or Arch or
         | wherever, and far more up-to-date than major stable distros (so
         | you could use Debian Stable for simplicity and reliability, for
         | example, but run the latest MySQL or ElasticSearch or whatever
         | on it without mucking with the distro's packages).
         | 
         | I find this massively simplifies server config scripts
         | (Ansible, or bash, or whatever) since I can confine those to
         | fairly generic housekeeping things and put daemon config in
         | much-tidier Docker scripts or yaml.
        
       | robertwt7 wrote:
       | Omg I still remember vagrant as the state of art for the job back
       | then.
       | 
       | Great job Mitchell, one of the company that I have respect on
       | goes public!! Good luck!!
        
       | pphysch wrote:
       | I love HCP tools, especially the "lesser known" ones like Vagrant
       | and Nomad.
       | 
       | Bearish on the now-public company, though. I think they grew too
       | fast and the leadership will squeeze revenue out of their current
       | headline "cloud glue" products (Terraform, Vault, Consul) without
       | having incentive to push their other products.
       | 
       | Nomad in particular has a ton of potential but why push it when
       | you can just provide services to enterprise K8s customers. Was
       | major Roblox outage Nomad-related?
       | 
       | I have a feeling that someone will come along with a set of CUE-
       | driven tools that have better UX than HCP tools and HCP will go
       | the way of Oracle.
        
         | dreyfan wrote:
         | > Was major Roblox outage Nomad-related
         | 
         | They haven't posted a detailed post-mortem yet but it's more
         | likely consul related that in-turn brought down vault and
         | nomad.
        
       | alephnan wrote:
       | He was a class or so above me in university and, being a public
       | university, it was competitive to get into courses. There were
       | more student interest than class availability, so slots filled up
       | quick. Students also squatted spots for their buddies then during
       | the 3am off-hours would play tradesies. The school website were
       | not immediately up to date, either.
       | 
       | Mitchell ran a paid service where you get a text message when
       | courses opened up. This would give you a 30-60 second advantage
       | to frontrun the thousand of other students who were concurrently
       | refreshing the course availability page.
       | 
       | https://laptrinhx.com/mitchell-hashimoto-is-automating-the-w...
       | 
       | "UW Robot was registering 70-80% of the undergraduate student
       | body and 'was pulling in about half a million dollars a year' for
       | an automation program he only spent a few hours a year
       | maintaining."
       | 
       | I think I read about him in the school paper. His parents were
       | not keen on him studying Computer Science, and even after showing
       | the financial success of this one app, they were still reluctant
       | about Computer Science. This resonated with me because my family
       | was actively discouraging me from studying Computer Science. Boy
       | were they wrong.
       | 
       | Edit: I found the article! http://sports.yahoo.com/news/25-old-
       | coding-genius-making-141...
       | 
       | This stood out to me:
       | 
       | > Hashimoto's dad, who he describes as "a very nice but very
       | strict" Japanese father, didn't think much of his son's love of
       | computers. The cease and desist letter didn't help. His parents
       | limited him two hours a week of computer time. He had to sneak in
       | his coding after they went to bed... $500,000 And Dad Still Isn't
       | Thrilled
       | 
       | I recently realized Taiwan has 1/5th the population of Japan, yet
       | disproportionately has 33 billionaires versus Japan's 45. I'm
       | actually living in Japan right now and experiencing first hand
       | the cultural aspect of risk aversion. I fell in love Kyoto and
       | want to be base my startup venture here. It's not the financing
       | gating me. I'd have to quit my employment for I.P. reasons, but
       | then I don't have the visa status to stay in Japan. The business
       | visa is too restrictive, but I actually qualify for permanent
       | residency, which is the ideal legal status in terms of
       | flexibility. The only bit I need to flip is a guarantor rep for
       | P.R., but once again the cultural aversion to risk gets in the
       | way. This makes me appreciate Masayoshi Son because his ventures
       | are quite antithetical to the Japanese modus operandi. But I
       | digress, just some thoughts on cultural aversion to risk and
       | entrepreneurship
        
         | godot wrote:
         | That's curious that his parents and your family discouraged
         | him/you from computer science. I would've thought most parents
         | would be happy about that choice of major for their kids.
        
           | smoldesu wrote:
           | Just my N+1 anecdata, but knowing what I know now I'd never
           | encourage a young person to step into the tech industry. It's
           | genuinely brutal, people should focus on specializations
           | instead of assuming that knowing how to code will make you a
           | valuable asset.
        
             | pintxo wrote:
             | Coding is the baseline. Being able to apply it to the
             | problems of an industry helps a lot.
        
           | reducesuffering wrote:
           | He started the major in 2007. In my experience, CS only
           | started being a famously lucrative major around ~2016. Before
           | then, parents especially weren't up to date and still
           | considered medicine and law to be the good careers. And of
           | course, after reading the article:
           | 
           | 'When Hashimoto went to college, his dad told him he had one
           | year to pursue "that computer thing."
           | 
           | "If I couldn't prove to him in a year it was useful in some
           | way, I either had to pay for college myself or become a
           | lawyer or doctor," Hashimoto says.'
        
       | jaxxstorm wrote:
       | Lots of interesting tidbits in here, not least that Armon Dadgar,
       | who basically built most of the their revenue generating
       | software, is paid considerably less than their CRO.
        
         | klelatti wrote:
         | Higher salary probably needed to attract the CRO to the role -
         | not an issue for Armon.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Comparing salary is irrelevant when one person has a founder
         | ownership stake while the other was hired as an employee a lot
         | further down the line. Dadgar would be perfectly fine with
         | $1/yr.
        
         | sam0x17 wrote:
         | Also interesting to learn that a CRO is a thing. I swear there
         | is a new C-level title invented every few seconds.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | paxys wrote:
           | "Lead growth hacker" doesn't convey the same amount of
           | prestige
        
           | mateo411 wrote:
           | It turns out that Revenue is important, which means that
           | there is a C level role to make sure that a company's revenue
           | outlook is good.
        
           | toomuchtodo wrote:
           | It's really just formalizing and enterprising a lead growth
           | role.
        
           | awad wrote:
           | It's actually a very common role that encompasses far more
           | than the traditional "head of sales" role
        
         | mikeyouse wrote:
         | That's often the case when they have to bring a new executive
         | on for the latter years of a company before going public...
         | Look at page 174 though, Armon owns over 18M shares, the CRO
         | owns 400k.
         | 
         | Assuming a share price of even $10/share, the $4M difference in
         | 2021 comp will swing _slightly_ in Armon 's direction when his
         | equity stake is worth $175M more than the CRO's.
        
           | jedberg wrote:
           | Based on their last valuation, Armon's shares should be worth
           | around $550,000,000.
        
             | mikeyouse wrote:
             | Holy smokes.. Yeah, I didn't have a basis for the
             | $10/share, it was just a random number since I didn't have
             | valuation detail... but wow. So Armon's shares would be
             | worth something like $535M more than the CRO's. I suspect
             | he's okay making a bit less in W2 income this year!
        
         | boringg wrote:
         | You are comparing salary when you should be comparing
         | ownership. CRO has little ownership vs Armon who doesn't really
         | care about his salary but rather the worth of his ownership
         | position.
         | 
         | Also you are comparing an owner vs an employee, not apples to
         | apples.
        
         | ryan93 wrote:
         | Figure he brought in a major client.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | ksec wrote:
       | Holly mother of God. Mitchell was still on HN yesterday, as he
       | was replying something about Backblaze IPO and its business.
       | Today it is his IPO,
       | 
       | $259 million revenue. 2100+ Customers, 1500+ employees, $10
       | Billion Valuation.........
       | 
       | I mean I felt it wasn't that long ago Vagrant was "the" tool for
       | the job.
       | 
       | How it all started, the submission on HN [1], quote:
       | 
       | > _This project has been the love child of myself and John Bender
       | (nickelcode.com) for the past 6 weeks. We 're both daily HN
       | readers and would like to use this as a starting point to show
       | Vagrant to the public. Specifically, I'd like to open up to any
       | questions and feedback, so that the HN community can get to know
       | Vagrant. Your feedback is extremely valued. Thanks!_
       | 
       | > _A bit of background on this project: I work at a development
       | company (citrusbyte.com) in LA. I see new projects almost every
       | couple months, and I 'm often working on multiple projects
       | simultaneously due to work, freelance, and personal projects.
       | Managing the development environments between many projects on a
       | local machine became a huge burden and a coworker once mentioned
       | developing in a virtual machine. I thought this was a great idea,
       | and Vagrant was eventually born from it._
       | 
       | Really amazing achievement in such short space of time.
       | Congratulations!
       | 
       | Edit: I wonder how many company started or partially started on
       | HN that went on to IPO. I know Dropbox is one. Do we have a list
       | somewhere?
       | 
       | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901
        
         | ignoramous wrote:
         | > _I wonder how many company started or partially started on HN
         | that went on to IPO. I know Dropbox is one. Do we have a list
         | somewhere?_
         | 
         | news.ycombinator.com needs a ycombinator.com/topcompanies
         | equivalent.
        
         | mike_d wrote:
         | > 1500+ employees
         | 
         | According to LinkedIn the average tenure of employees is a
         | little over a year (likely to hit the vesting cliff and
         | bounce).
         | 
         | Two months ago they didn't have the staff to review pull
         | requests: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28425849
         | 
         | You can love the product, but investors are ultimately betting
         | on the company - which seems shaky.
        
           | reducesuffering wrote:
           | > According to LinkedIn the average tenure of employees is a
           | little over a year (likely to hit the vesting cliff and
           | bounce).
           | 
           | I think this is usually the case for fast growing companies
           | that typically double employees every year, because:
           | 
           | 1/2 people avg. 1/2 year tenure
           | 
           | 1/4 people avg. 3/2 year tenure
           | 
           | 1/8 people avg. 5/2 year tenure
           | 
           | etc. Which approaches something around ~1 year tenure. You'll
           | notice the same 1.1 year tenure at Stripe, Affirm, etc.
        
           | LambdaComplex wrote:
           | An additional data point (read: anecdote): I applied for a
           | job at Hashicorp in early July of this year. I have yet to
           | receive any reply, including a "thanks but no thanks"
           | 
           | For reference, I also have a friend who applied there in late
           | 2019; he apparently _did_ get a "thanks but no thanks" email
           | about a month later.
           | 
           | Perhaps all of the company is short-staffed, rather than just
           | engineering.
        
         | mirekrusin wrote:
         | Where can I see $10B valuation to confirm?
        
           | ksec wrote:
           | Sorry I think it should be _seeking_ $10B according to Yahoo
           | / Bloomberg.
           | 
           | https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hashicorp-files-u-ipo-
           | said-18...
        
         | gorgoiler wrote:
         | If that's $260M pa for 1500 employees then that works out as
         | $40k revenue per employee per quarter.
         | 
         | Compare with APPL and FB doing [correction: over $600k] per
         | employee per quarter.
         | 
         | Not a value judgment. But I only recently started noticing
         | these numbers and it really puts the big players' spending
         | power into perspective. Hiring engineers away from FAANG is
         | incredibly expensive.
         | 
         | Edit: thanks for the corrections in the replies. I read figures
         | for FB and AAPL that are reported quarterly but missed that
         | they are for a trailing 12 month period, not for the quarter
         | itself.
        
           | missedthecue wrote:
           | I think a lot of startups could be a little more lean than
           | they are right now.
        
           | capableweb wrote:
           | > Hiring engineers away from FAANG is incredibly expensive.
           | 
           | That seems to be changing, as the employees at those
           | companies are starting to re-evaluate the ethical choice of
           | staying or leaving a company they thought was "good".
        
           | trhway wrote:
           | >Compare with APPL and FB doing $2.5M per employee per
           | quarter.
           | 
           | your math if off - FB is $500K/employee/quarter, APPL is
           | ~600K/employee/quarter. That still of course a boatload of
           | money allowing them to pay $600K+/year to the engineers.
        
             | dhosek wrote:
             | I'm guessing that was a typo and he meant per year since
             | the comparison number was also annual revenue.
        
           | Sebguer wrote:
           | Does this account for how much those companies offload to
           | contractors / staffing agencies?
        
           | polskibus wrote:
           | They have lots of contractors though , ppl that censor posts,
           | etc. You're probably not taking them into consideration.
        
           | BbzzbB wrote:
           | Point stands, but I'm not sure how you get that much for FB
           | and AAPL. In 2020 (4 quarters) they made, per employee,
           | ~$1.2M and $0.7M in gross profit, $1.5M and $1.9M in revenue.
           | I didn't cross check the table but did get the same number
           | for FB.
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/investing_city/status/142301690347634278.
           | ..
        
         | aronowb14 wrote:
         | coinbase one is here:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26815403
        
         | polote wrote:
         | > I wonder how many company started or partially started on HN
         | that went on to IPO. I know Dropbox is one. Do we have a list
         | somewhere?
         | 
         | There are only a few places where you can easily promote your
         | saas company, it makes sense that Saas startups that IPO now
         | were promoted when they launched ...
        
         | ryanar wrote:
         | _> Mitchell was still on HN yesterday, as he was replying
         | something about Backblaze IPO and its business. Today it is his
         | IPO_
         | 
         | Maybe that is because he stepped down from leadership to become
         | an IC again? We could speculate that he didn't want to go
         | public, or had no desire to do the S-1 work so he stepped down.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | handrous wrote:
         | > I mean I felt it wasn't that long ago Vagrant was "the" tool
         | for the job.
         | 
         | Vagrant is my safety hatch, in case Docker goes under and
         | aspect of it that's "the best centralized, cross-distro,
         | server-oriented Linux package manager repository around" is, at
         | least temporarily, thrown into disarray. Back to picking a
         | distro and contorting it into what I need, in that case.
         | 
         | And it's still better than Docker if you're _really_ in a hurry
         | and need to get some pile of undocumented shit running locally
         | ASAP.
        
           | __jem wrote:
           | Docker at this point is just a wrapper around OCI spec... why
           | would you go back to Vagrant rather than just using any of
           | the other tools that can build OCI images? Vagrant and Docker
           | seem like fundamentally different tools to me.
        
             | handrous wrote:
             | At least 80% of Docker's value to me is as a consistent-
             | everywhere, _very_ complete server daemon package manager.
             | Serious packages for work? They 're there, and up-to-date.
             | Screwing-around stuff for home (Minecraft server, Jellyfin,
             | et c.)? It's all there, same interface, just a couple
             | minutes to add and configure another daemon at
             | approximately its latest version, and I don't even have to
             | think about which distro I'm running.
             | 
             | It's the container registry that I'd miss, not the actual
             | container functionality, and that's what would have me
             | reaching for Vagrant and distro packages again until
             | something similarly good arose (or maybe there already is a
             | viable replacement, which I'd find via search in short
             | order if I actually needed it)
        
               | miere wrote:
               | I wonder what sort of container registry are you looking
               | for. There are a few alternatives to Docker Hub nowadays.
               | For instance, GCP's is quite affordable and
               | straightforward.
        
       | redwood wrote:
       | Percentage of quarterly subscription revenue from HCP (and its
       | predecessor cloud offerings): 5.0%
        
       | misiti3780 wrote:
       | Terraform, IMO is the best piece of software invented for devs in
       | the past 10 years. Congrats!
        
       | dbetteridge wrote:
       | Met Mitchell at a smaller Perth conference in 2019 where he did a
       | talk on how Vault came to be.
       | 
       | Could tell how much he enjoyed what he was working on and the
       | obvious passion for making better software, actually being down
       | in the weeds and writing innovative things.
       | 
       | All the best to him and HashiCorp going forward.
        
       | nightpool wrote:
       | Pretty funny to see this less then a week after Roblox had a huge
       | extended downtime due to issues with their HashiCorp platform
       | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29044500). Obviously the
       | two events are almost certainly unconnected, but it must have
       | been a very busy week at HashiCorp nonetheless
        
       | [deleted]
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | gen220 wrote:
       | Is anybody here an HCP user, and would be willing to comment on
       | how valuable adopting HCP has been for your organization?
       | 
       | It seems to be a growing contingent of their revenue, in addition
       | to being an interesting product. Curious to get HN's take on it.
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Will you buy this stock at IPO?
        
       | TekMol wrote:
       | Would be great if someone with knowledge on how to read an S1
       | could help me figure out these two basic questions:
       | 
       | What percentage of the company gets sold in the IPO?
       | 
       | And does that money go into the company or does it go to existing
       | shareholders?
        
         | rogerkirkness wrote:
         | The PO in IPO is public offering, meaning new shares are
         | created. So generally speaking, the amount raised goes to the
         | company. Dilution is a factor of what's raised and the
         | vaulation. If you raise a 10% round, you dilute by 10%, so 10%
         | is sold. It varies by company and preference. Existing
         | shareholders can typically sell after the lockup (for common
         | share holders, like founders and employees) and at any time
         | (for preferred share holders, whose shares convert into
         | unrestricted common shares as part of the IPO).
        
         | ac29 wrote:
         | This S1 does not say how many shares they expect to sell, so at
         | this time its unclear what percentage of the company new
         | investors will hold. Presumably before the IPO date, it will be
         | updated so investors have an understanding of what they are
         | buying.
        
           | TekMol wrote:
           | Thanks. How does one find the complete S1 when it is updated?
           | 
           | For example, how can this information be found for Coinbase?
        
             | phonon wrote:
             | SEC/Edgar
             | 
             | Hashicorp
             | 
             | https://www.sec.gov/edgar/search/#/dateRange=custom&ciks=00
             | 0...
             | 
             | Coinbase
             | 
             | https://www.sec.gov/edgar/search/#/dateRange=custom&ciks=00
             | 0...
        
         | chernevik wrote:
         | IPOs sometimes sell shares held by existing shareholders. The
         | final S-1 should disclose any sales by existing shareholders.
         | When you see them in roadshow, check for the final S-1.
         | 
         | Statements that proceeds will go to the company are not
         | necessarily correct.
        
         | adamsvystun wrote:
         | > What percentage of the company gets sold in the IPO?
         | 
         | S1 does not specify the amount.
         | 
         | > And does that money go into the company or does it go to
         | existing shareholders?
         | 
         | The money goes to the company.
        
       | nathan_f77 wrote:
       | Awesome, I'm excited for this. Does anyone know of any services
       | where I could add HashiCorp to a watchlist and get an email
       | notification before/after their IPO? (I'm sure I'll see it on HN
       | or other sites but I want to make sure I don't miss it.)
        
         | ramesh31 wrote:
         | Webull is pretty solid
        
       | uf00lme wrote:
       | Any idea how to buy at ipo price outside of us?
        
       | dcchambers wrote:
       | Hashicorp makes some incredible software and I love their open
       | source culture. Pretty much everyone I know genuinely enjoys
       | using their tools. Congrats to Mitchell, Armon, and the whole
       | team.
        
       | endisneigh wrote:
       | It's fascinating to see so many IPOs happen in the past two
       | years. Apparently there have been more IPOs in the past two years
       | than 2014-2019 combined
       | (https://stockanalysis.com/ipos/statistics/) in spite of the
       | pandemic.
       | 
       | I guess it's because there's just so much money swishing around -
       | why not?
        
         | shoto_io wrote:
         | Jap, I bet it's related to this chart
         | 
         | https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1NS
        
           | yellow_lead wrote:
           | You might want to read that footnote about the definition of
           | M1 changing at May 2020
        
         | ushakov wrote:
         | as inflation rises, it's good times to attract investors
        
         | simonbarker87 wrote:
         | The VCs need their exits to pay their funders back and the
         | markets are very "hungry" at the moment so they are cashing out
         | the only route they have available
        
         | that_guy_iain wrote:
         | I believe the surge in IPOs isn't in spite of the pandemic but
         | because of the pandemic.
        
         | MangoCoffee wrote:
         | dotcom bubble started with many IPOs
        
         | sjg007 wrote:
         | Musical chairs maybe...
        
         | boringg wrote:
         | M1 money supply + endish of a bull cycle of tech companies
         | founded early 2010s (coming out of the 10 year VC timeline) and
         | also SPACs (Assuming SPACs are included that would be the
         | driving reason)
        
         | goodpoint wrote:
         | Expect a huge crash...
        
         | 988747 wrote:
         | VC investors are cashing out - a sign of impending doom. Expect
         | Dotcom Crash 2.0
        
           | noway421 wrote:
           | VC investors are in the business of cashing out, that's the
           | mandate of the funds that they raise. Why would that signal
           | an impending doom?
        
       | ggregoire wrote:
       | Congrats to the team!
       | 
       | Slightly off-topic, if I wanted to buy some HashiCorp's stocks as
       | a non-US resident, what would be my best options? Any good
       | services allowing me to do that somehow, legally and easily?
        
         | apayan wrote:
         | Try out Interactive Brokers. They seem to serve a lot of non-
         | USA customers. Disclosure: A happy USA user.
        
         | simonbarker87 wrote:
         | Find a broker/platform in your country that lets you trade in
         | the stock market they are listing on (if UK then IG and
         | Hargreaves Lansdown are good), join, fill out the W-8BEN so you
         | are able to buy US stock through the platform (they usually
         | make this a 2 minute job) and then place an order when it's
         | live. You'll be paying more than the true IPO price as the bank
         | etc get preferential rates I believe but it's as good as you'll
         | get
        
         | nathan_f77 wrote:
         | You could probably get an account with Interactive Brokers.
         | Here's their list of available countries:
         | https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=7021
         | 
         | In New Zealand we also have https://www.hatchinvest.nz and
         | https://www.sharesies.nz. You might have some similar services
         | in your country.
        
       | SassyGrapefruit wrote:
       | I love the products but that S1 didn't exactly blow my socks off.
       | They are hemorrhaging cash and their growth strategy is pretty
       | WeWork-ish. Seems to boil down to "Get more customers", "HCP is
       | probably going to make money", and finally "the rest of the world
       | needs hashicorp too"
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | They're making hundreds of millions of dollars per year. They
         | have software economics, not commercial real estate economics.
         | Most software companies are "hemorrhaging cash" by the time
         | they file an S1, because if you invent a machine that turns
         | nickels into dimes, the obvious thing to do is spend all your
         | money making as many of those machines as you can, not cranking
         | a small number of them for a small, consistent stream of dimes.
        
           | danielmarkbruce wrote:
           | You are right, and this is a decent analogy, but isn't it a
           | lot easier to say:
           | 
           | Look at YE 2021, they spent $140 mill on sales and marketing.
           | Next year they could turn that down to $20 million and they
           | would be instantly profitable and almost certainly grow a
           | little bit too. They could also likely slash R&D and G&A by
           | 30-40% without affecting current products. They are very
           | valuable as is, but growing significantly (which isn't free)
           | makes them even more valuable (most likely).
        
       | throwaway95118 wrote:
       | I haven't read the S1; do they describe any recent customer
       | outages due to their systems?
        
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