[HN Gopher] GPD Pocket 3 - Handheld PC with KVM and RS-232
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       GPD Pocket 3 - Handheld PC with KVM and RS-232
        
       Author : kbumsik
       Score  : 126 points
       Date   : 2021-11-04 18:10 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | rbanffy wrote:
       | Seems quite vanilla Intel. I hope it runs Linux well, but, in
       | this format, the i7 is overkill. The battery must be really
       | limited and an Atom would probably be a better match.
        
       | rsync wrote:
       | If the modular IO port has an SCART module I will just die.
        
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       | ok123456 wrote:
       | I owned a Pocket 1, and I'm still bitter about it.
       | 
       | After about a year of light use, the battery swelled up.
       | Replacement batteries were out of stock and never replaced. The
       | response was like, "Uh yeah old model. Sorry."
        
       | amysox wrote:
       | Amazon lists the GPD Pocket 2 at $730, and that's for half the
       | RAM and a quarter the storage of this one. Draw your own
       | conclusions about how much the Pocket 3 will cost.
       | https://www.amazon.com/Update-8GB-Windows-Portable-Processor...
        
         | sschueller wrote:
         | Pocket 3 - 1195G7: $999       Pocket 3 - 1195G7 + module: $1079
         | Pocket 3 - N6000: $650       Pocket 3 - N6000 + module: $730
         | 
         | DHL costs included. All IGG backers get a 4096 stylus.
         | 
         | From Twitter:
         | https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054
        
           | vorpalhex wrote:
           | Module here is the kvm module?
        
             | sschueller wrote:
             | I don't know, there appear to exist 3 modules [1], KVM,
             | RS232 and a USB 3 A port.
             | 
             | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0
        
       | dTal wrote:
       | They're running it under their "Pocket" brand, but with its
       | aggressively practical port layout (including RS232!) it looks a
       | like it's being positioned as the long promised successor to the
       | (fabulous) GPD Micro PC. This impression is bolstered by the odd
       | touchpad and mousebutton placement - copied straight from the
       | Micro PC.
       | 
       | Which is a bit of a shame, because it sacrifices the thing which
       | made the Micro PC a peerless gamechanger - pocketability
       | (ironically). 8 inches is not a pocketable laptop, it's a
       | standard netbook. Which is fine and nice and doubtless many will
       | love it, but... disappointing. What I really wanted was double
       | battery life and cellular modem so I wouldn't have to carry a
       | phone anymore.
       | 
       | I'm getting mixed messages from the touchpad placement as well.
       | That design is perfect for using the computer with your thumbs
       | while walking, and quite awkward for sitting down at a desk. It
       | works fantastically well on the Micro PC, with its clicky thumb
       | keyboard. Yet an 8 inch netbook would seem to be too large for
       | thumb typing. What are the intended ergonomics here?
       | 
       | The swappable rear port for all the exotic KVM stuff is a
       | fascinating feature.
        
         | int_19h wrote:
         | I own both the MicroPC and GPD Pocket 2. The difference in size
         | is not _that_ large, IMO. In fact, I did carry the Pocket
         | around in the front pocket of my pants for a while,
         | specifically as a portable but full-featured device. Granted,
         | these were cargo pants, but still.
        
           | dTal wrote:
           | Right, the Pocket 2 is a diagonal inch bigger than the
           | MicroPC. This is another diagonal inch bigger on top of that.
           | It's definitely not going to fit in my back jeans pocket the
           | way the MicroPC does. It crosses the line from "phone" to
           | "tablet" size.
        
         | nfriedly wrote:
         | I have a GPD Win Max, which has about the same size keyboard,
         | and it's a bit awkward at first, but you get used to it pretty
         | quickly.
        
       | 1MachineElf wrote:
       | Love these features. Just wish it wasn't Windows.
        
         | int_19h wrote:
         | Their other devices have had good Linux compatibility. Stock
         | Debian works great on GPD MicroPC, for example.
        
       | mike_d wrote:
       | I purchased the previous version of their "tech" mini laptop the
       | GPD Micro PC.
       | 
       | Most of the preorder/first batch shipped with a defective battery
       | that couldn't charge if it ever dropped to zero. After waiting
       | months for a replacement battery I had to install it myself, only
       | to find out that the replacement battery had the same issue.
       | Tossed the thing in a drawer and haven't tried using it since.
       | 
       | Based on the other issues I have seen from r/GPD on Reddit, I
       | think QA/testing is basically non-existent on these products. If
       | you are lucky and get a good one from the factory they aren't
       | bad, but issues are rampant.
        
         | soneil wrote:
         | Interesting, I didn't know that was the flaw. The battery in
         | mine lasted less than 3 months, so this doesn't sound like a
         | coincidence.
         | 
         | It's interesting seeing people sing the praises of the Micro, I
         | treat it as a lesson learnt.
        
         | fuzzy2 wrote:
         | Huh, that doesn't sound like something I'd want rotting in a
         | drawer! Haven't had any batteries actually explode/burn but saw
         | many that (physically) broke their devices when they bloated.
        
       | WalterGR wrote:
       | What uses RS-232 these days?
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232
        
         | ktm5j wrote:
         | Rackmount networking hardware (routers, switches), disk
         | arrays/storage appliances, etc. I work with a lot of equipment
         | that does. It's usually a rj-45 connector on the hardware, but
         | you just use a cable that has rs-232 on one end and rj-45 on
         | the other. The fact that this has an actual rs-232 port makes
         | it really tempting for me to buy one!
        
         | snvzz wrote:
         | Pretty much everything.
         | 
         | But particularly, servers, network equipment, industrial
         | equipment.
        
         | prova_modena wrote:
         | Industrial equipment like CNC machines.
        
         | zwieback wrote:
         | Rarely anything new but I regularly need it for old
         | manufacturing line equipment that just keeps running. 20 years
         | is nothing for some of our assembly lines.
        
         | tenebrisalietum wrote:
         | My VT-220.
        
         | com2kid wrote:
         | Plenty of embedded still does.
        
         | jdhawk wrote:
         | Headless Equipment with a console.
        
         | foxfluff wrote:
         | It's the first thing that works, JTAG or other proprietary
         | debug ports aside. It's _the_ thing that you start with in
         | order to get everything else to work, and it 's the thing that
         | works when everything else fails. That's why my desk is full of
         | RS232 dongles and cables. The first thing I need to do when I
         | get a new board is to figure out where the console is.
        
           | stefan_ wrote:
           | Except few of those use actual RS232 voltage levels, which
           | would just be an useless expense.
        
             | foxfluff wrote:
             | Well our boards do support the full swing. Except for the
             | latest prototype which I got a few weeks ago, that one
             | talks 3V3 TTL levels.
        
         | bobsmooth wrote:
         | Military equipment.
        
         | luma wrote:
         | Basically all modern storage arrays and network devices rely on
         | serial connections for first time setup. There are some
         | advantages to this approach for the datacenter engineer if you
         | aren't trying to do it at scale (where you'd likely be
         | leveraging PXE). Once you have the speed and parity sorted out
         | (often a pain), it's easy to copy/paste into a serial terminal
         | which can make stuffing large configs into a new device
         | relatively painless. Alternately, one can sometimes navigate
         | through a simple menu system to configure IP addressing to
         | complete initial config through some other means
         | (SSH/HTTPS/etc).
         | 
         | Anyone supporting network gear in a datacenter has a baby blue
         | Cisco serial cable somewhere in their bag.
        
           | IOT_Apprentice wrote:
           | It would be great then if Monoprice built those serial port
           | cables for use on iPads via either Lightning AND usb-c 4.
        
             | int_19h wrote:
             | Isn't it a different physical connector between Lightning
             | and USB-C?
             | 
             | And there cetainly are Lightning-to-serial cables out
             | there: https://redpark.com/products/serial-adapters/
        
         | rbanffy wrote:
         | It's usually the interface of last resort, when all others were
         | misconfigured into silence.
        
       | crawsome wrote:
       | I had a GPD XD that bricked a chunk of it's own circuitry, all of
       | the screen became fuzzy and distorted. All because I cold-reset
       | it while it was on power. I did nothing else to it to make this
       | happen. Amazon accepted the refund, and I look at GPD devices
       | with distrust-by-default now.
        
         | zeronine wrote:
         | i think you're looking for reviews.ycombinator.con
        
           | aspenmayer wrote:
           | I would visit this site if only it existed.
        
       | linsomniac wrote:
       | TL;DR: Tiny laptop with modules so it can act like a KVM (HDMI
       | and USB) or do RS-232 serial, high res display, i7-1195G7 CPU and
       | 16GB RAM, touch screen, stylus, 1TB SSD.
       | 
       | Couldn't find a price on it.
       | 
       | Looks like it ticks all the boxes for a NetOps dream pocket PC.
       | If you have kind of big pockets.
        
         | sschueller wrote:
         | Pocket 3 - 1195G7: $999       Pocket 3 - 1195G7 + module: $1079
         | Pocket 3 - N6000: $650       Pocket 3 - N6000 + module: $730
         | 
         | DHL costs included. All IGG backers get a 4096 stylus.
         | 
         | From Twitter:
         | https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1453982767381762054
        
         | bitwize wrote:
         | Big pockets won't be a problem for the people buying this,
         | given the likely asking price...
        
       | tluyben2 wrote:
       | Looks like they listened to indiegogo gpd sponsors like myself
       | for this one. The best I had was the pocket 1, the pocket 2 I
       | sold immediately after, the win3 is a lovely monster for gaming
       | but this looks like a great move. Gpd makes nice machines and
       | Linux is usually supported well, so I might get one.
        
       | sschueller wrote:
       | Looks like the port on the back needs 2 screws to put in the KVM
       | vs the RS232 but that should be easily upgradeable to thumb
       | screws.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdBgJOqIZPg
        
       | chx wrote:
       | > Intel Pentium Silver N6000
       | 
       | Still Intel Atom. I will pass. My One Mix Yoga 2S has a proper
       | Core processor.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | Looks pretty handy for certain niches. I do wonder how irritating
       | the keyboard layout is when you actually have to use it, since
       | semicolon, colon, quotes, braces/brackets, etc, are located in
       | odd spots.
        
       | emsy wrote:
       | I have an iPad with a Magic Keyboard that looks quite similar if
       | you squint (albeit a bit bigger). But I can probably do a
       | fraction of the things on it that the GDP will be able to do. I
       | wonder why? Better hardware? Makes you wonder.
        
         | IOT_Apprentice wrote:
         | I would think that an iPad would be faster and with someone
         | designing/building USB C based serial port connector would be a
         | better solution. Especially if a formal KVM Hypervisor was
         | built to run on the iPad and you could load the Linux OS of
         | your choice that way with drivers to support utilization of the
         | USB-C port on the iPad for hardware connectivity/sensors.
        
       | perth wrote:
       | Beware connecting GPD devices to your home or corporate network:
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/8qfvuh/warning_new_...
       | 
       | https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/n5u1sy/yep_malware_...
        
         | snvzz wrote:
         | It's been a while. Years.
         | 
         | Since they were able to point their finger at an "offending
         | binary", you'd think there'd be some published work on analysis
         | of this binary by now.
         | 
         | But I couldn't find any. Why?!
        
         | sschueller wrote:
         | Wipe, install Linux
        
           | chx wrote:
           | Don't.
           | 
           | I posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17656645 a
           | number of times. Since then WSL v2 happened, even better.
        
           | entropicdrifter wrote:
           | Agreed, or use a clean debloated Windows image from the
           | community's subreddit
        
             | aspenmayer wrote:
             | Is there an advantage to using their image, like hard to
             | find/install drivers? I generally always advise people to
             | use first party install media, in this case, via Media
             | Creation Tool.
        
               | monocasa wrote:
               | Yeah, the GPD stuff generally has very specific to them
               | drivers. Internally they straddle the line between
               | regular PC and embedded device and there's some custom
               | code to smooth over the differences.
        
               | int_19h wrote:
               | FWIW, at least some of their devices will happily work
               | with a mainline Linux kernel. I have a GPD MicroPC
               | running Debian Buster.
        
               | monocasa wrote:
               | Yep, I've got a GPD Pocket running Mint.
        
               | xarope wrote:
               | GPD pocket 2 running mint here too (well, until the
               | battery bloated)
        
               | monocasa wrote:
               | Oof, I'm sorry. I'm really lucky to not have hit any
               | battery bloat issues it seems. I don't even treat it
               | well, regularly leaving it in my car's back window sill.
        
               | aspenmayer wrote:
               | I've had a lot of trouble reinstalling Windows on similar
               | devices, the worst of which was a 2-in-1 tablet laptop,
               | RCA brand sold at Walmart. I forget the model exactly,
               | but they sold new under $200, maybe even under $100 on
               | sale. I couldn't find the vendor who assembled them, but
               | I think it was a W101 V or V2, originally shipping with
               | Windows 8/8.1. Whenever I tried to clean install Windows
               | 10, I could get everything to work but the touchscreen
               | driver.
               | 
               | I wish I still had that driver to see why it wouldn't
               | install, but I'm not sorry I don't have the tablet, as it
               | was a end user repair job. I tried DoubleDriver[0] to
               | save my Windows 8 driver config, but it wouldn't work
               | under restore on Windows 10. I tried Snappy Driver
               | Installer Origin[1], and none of the drivers in my driver
               | db worked. I even tried DriverStoreExplorer[2] to
               | manually install from the .cabs and .infs. No luck.
               | 
               | I suspect it had OEM offsets, registry keys, or other
               | customizations which are applied at install time. I
               | eventually had to use the OEM factory reset through the
               | Shift + Restart menu to reinstall Windows 8, then in-
               | place upgrade to Windows 10.
               | 
               | It really makes me wonder what the market forces and
               | actors are doing, such that a poorly integrated, barely
               | functional underpowered laptop, with nonstandard hardware
               | and software, can be sold in big box stores. I suspect
               | that price conscious customers with basic needs get the
               | majority of these, closely followed by gifts for kids or
               | other family/friends.
               | 
               | I usually have great success with these tools, but
               | certain hardware tends to have vendor/integrater
               | modifications to the OEM driver. I didn't have time to
               | dig into the reasons why in this specific case, but the
               | OEM didn't even provide a driver/installer for this model
               | for the touchscreen. I know that for some people losing a
               | touchscreen may not be a big deal, but as I was doing the
               | repair as a service, I wanted total restoration of
               | original OEM state, ideally without any unnecessary
               | bloat. Can't win them all, I guess.
               | 
               | I eventually got there, and it was the long way I knew
               | would work, but it wasn't the Windows 10 clean install I
               | had hoped for the end user. They were more than happy
               | with the repair and so I choose to be happy with the
               | outcome also, if not with the hoops I had to jump
               | through, which ended up being for naught. All's well that
               | ends well.
               | 
               | [0] http://www.boozet.org/dd.htm
               | 
               | [1] https://www.snappy-driver-installer.org
               | 
               | [2] https://github.com/lostindark/DriverStoreExplorer
        
               | 5- wrote:
               | i have always found the microsoft model here
               | understandable but unfortunate.
               | 
               | i'm running stock linux on my gpd pocket 2 and i have
               | never even had to consider whether there is any special
               | hardware (apart from the rotated screen -- that required
               | adding a parameter each to the kernel cmdline and the x11
               | config).
               | 
               | in particular the seemingly problematic on windows goodix
               | touchscreen driver appears to have been part of the linux
               | kernel since early 2015 when 3.19 got released: https://g
               | it.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux...
        
         | monocasa wrote:
         | Are those for sure real? In a former job, I supported system
         | software for Windows (among other OSes), and it'd be like once
         | a quarter that one of the antivirus companies would mistakenly
         | flag us as malware, and since they all share signatures, the
         | others would all flag us like a week later. It was a huge pain,
         | because they'd kill our auto update mechanism too.
        
       | glonq wrote:
       | Phrasing and grammar quirks on that website suggest that they
       | should have spent a few extra bucks on an English-native writer
       | or proofreader.
        
         | celeduc wrote:
         | 1) Being a native English speaker doesn't guarantee anyone
         | knows how to write. 2) The vernacular style may be
         | characteristic but it is not inferior, just unfamiliar.
        
         | apricot wrote:
         | It fits with GPD's reputation of not caring much about quality
         | control.
        
       | ketralnis wrote:
       | I had a GPD Pocket 1 which was great for about six months until
       | its battery swelled to dangerous proportions and I had to dispose
       | of it. $500 gone :(
        
         | sschueller wrote:
         | Unlike and Apple (Yes mine is swollen and not under warranty of
         | any kind) device the GPD Pocket 1 is not difficult to open [1]
         | and you could have probably replaced that battery.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTymxvORuZA
        
         | wvenable wrote:
         | Yeah my GPD Pocket 1 battery swelled as well after a year but I
         | was able to pull it out and replace it with a new battery from
         | AliExpress. It's still going strong with the new battery.
        
       | loxias wrote:
       | Makes me miss OQO.
        
       | dmje wrote:
       | Longest screen of text in the world, ever, and the "buy now" call
       | to action doesn't work so no idea of price...
        
         | zamadatix wrote:
         | The order now button is a bit premature, it isn't schedule to
         | start selling until tomorrow on Indiegogo.
        
         | tluyben2 wrote:
         | It is usually crowdfunding on indiegogo. So maybe that will
         | happen any moment.
        
           | sschueller wrote:
           | According to their twitter, Nov 5th, 10:00AM BEIJING time
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=v.
           | ..
        
         | jack1243star wrote:
         | I appreciate the details, feels like they know what they're
         | doing. (target user, use case, design goals etc.)
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | This is a modern-day Toshiba Libretto which takes design cues
       | from the Framework and I frickin' love it -- on paper. I'm not
       | going to early-adopt the thing but I'm interested to see how it
       | shakes out.
        
       | sschueller wrote:
       | From Twitter:
       | https://twitter.com/softwincn/status/1456207719069749256?t=v...
       | 
       | "GPD Pocket 3 Indiegogo crowdfunding starts on 5th Nov 2021,
       | 10:00AM BEIJING time 5th Nov 2021, 2:00AM GreenwichMeanTime Total
       | 45 days! 30% off if you back us on Indiegogo. The stylus is free
       | provided but only for IGG backers! IGG page:
       | https://t.co/zEMaOUJfIX"
        
       | at_a_remove wrote:
       | I really wanted to like the GPD Pocket 2, after agonizing over
       | buying it, but it turned out that I could not quite deal with the
       | keyboard and was not adjusting to it. And so it sits, unused. I
       | should probably dig it out and make it into a "in case of
       | computational emergency ..." item of last resort.
       | 
       | If I could type on this for a while to see, I would likely buy
       | it.
        
       | zamadatix wrote:
       | Seems a little larger than most of their devices. I'm not sure
       | carrying an 8" laptop really gains much from your standard 12" or
       | 13" laptop since in either case you're out of pocket or small
       | pouch territory.
       | 
       | I still think the GPD Win 2 was their device witht he best design
       | direction, even if it wasn't a perfect implementation of the
       | goals. 6" was the perfect size for the niche, the gamepad mouse
       | controls were easier to use than the corner touchpad, the
       | keyboard had more buttons, and it was more all purpose. Newer
       | innards and higher quality physical components for the
       | keyboard+gamepad would be killer. The 3 went far too gaming
       | console focused trying to be a Nintendo Switch with a hidden
       | keyboard rather than a computer.
        
         | LAC-Tech wrote:
         | I used to have an 8.4 inch tablet, and while I couldn't fit it
         | in a pocket it was still "take it with me everywhere" in a way
         | that a 12 inch laptop wasn't.
        
         | dTal wrote:
         | I agree, this is basically a gorgeous and modern netbook loaded
         | with ports. Which is a wonderful product and desperately
         | needed! But not quite as revolutionary as some of their other
         | products.
         | 
         | I can't speak to their other products, but the GPD Micro PC is
         | basically a perfect product for what it tries to be. I've never
         | used anything that made such a perfect set of ergonomic
         | decisions. The crazy bastards managed to make a phone-sized
         | laptop that _actually works_ as a laptop.
         | 
         | I find the corner touchpad to be extremely usable on the GPD
         | Micro PC, by the way. I haven't tried the Win 2, to be fair,
         | but I find it difficult to picture a joystick nub being more
         | precise.
        
         | Rebelgecko wrote:
         | FWIW I have a similar device (Chuwi minibook) and it really is
         | pocketable. However I realized that at least for me, a better
         | keyboard and more screen real estate would come in handy more
         | often than extreme portability (plus support from some of these
         | small brands is pretty bad)
        
       | jbj wrote:
       | I spent money on planet computers gemini, which I have been happy
       | with, but one thing that came to a surprise to me was how the
       | whole keyboard layout ecosystem works. If going into a remote
       | desktop, the remote machine needs to support the layout of
       | whatever device you use. If you plan to use it for coding, better
       | verify before relying on it.
        
         | sschueller wrote:
         | Yeah, I have one too but the battery just sucks and Linux
         | support is limited. Haven't used it much sadly...
        
       | sschueller wrote:
       | Here is a good "quick" review:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsRixkYu5I0
        
       | csdvrx wrote:
       | Would fit in my purse _and_ connect to my thunderbolt desktop
       | setup (dual 4k OLED with a nice SK8835 keyboard)
       | 
       | I would gladly pay extra for an OLED screen, ECC ram, and a 2nd
       | m2 port to plug a 4G or 5G module.
       | 
       | At the moment I'm playing with a WoA (Windows on ARM64) Lumia 950
       | XL running Windows 10 Pro, it's wonderful to have a Windows
       | Terminal with me at all times to SSH, even if it is a tad slow
       | when opening multiple apps.
        
       | z3t4 wrote:
       | Site difficult to brows on mobile. Order button doesnt work. Nice
       | features though, dont have to move around a screen when
       | connecting to a server...
        
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