[HN Gopher] Raspberry Pi Colocation
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       Raspberry Pi Colocation
        
       Author : 3xa
       Score  : 157 points
       Date   : 2021-11-06 14:29 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (pi-colocation.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (pi-colocation.com)
        
       | ruined wrote:
       | ok but does anyone offer pi VMs that can boot my sdcard image
        
       | ushakov wrote:
       | there is a similiar, anonymous option from The Pirate Bay founder
       | 
       | https://prq.se/?p=rpi
        
       | solarkraft wrote:
       | I'm gonna ask the dumb/obvious question: Why would I want this?
       | 
       | It's certainly not for the compute. Isn't the point of a
       | Raspberry Pi controlling periphery on the edge? But that's not
       | possible here?
       | 
       | ???
       | 
       | It's not even needing ARM cores, as those are now cheaply offered
       | by all the cloud computing companies.
       | 
       | Is it just for some cheap fun? But if I'm going to host something
       | on cheap amateur grade hardware, why would I not also just use my
       | home connection? Is this for _the experience_ and education?
       | 
       | ... I really don 't see what it's good for (explanations
       | welcome).
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | wpietri wrote:
         | For many years I was part of a bandwidth cooperative. We had a
         | cabinet and a fat pipe and a bunch of sysadmins who wanted a
         | place to keep their stuff. Early on it was all 1U or 2U
         | systems. But later there was enough demand for Mac Minis that
         | we dedicated a shelf to them.
         | 
         | It didn't make much sense from a professional syadmin's
         | perspective. But for a Mac user who already had their little
         | project on a Mini and wanted to get it off their home
         | bandwidth, it made sense to them in that it was one simple,
         | incremental change. I imagine the market here is similar.
        
           | xg15 wrote:
           | But at least in your case, people could put their own
           | machines in there. You wouldn't have rented out mac minis as
           | dedicated servers, would you?
           | 
           | Edit: Ah, misread the article. Alright, then what you did was
           | indeed pretty similar.
        
             | wpietri wrote:
             | Yeah, ours was still a bit different, in that we just
             | provided a shelf where you could plug your gear in. But it
             | seems like the same principle.
        
         | Sebb767 wrote:
         | Next to the other arguments, the colocation is pretty cheap. In
         | Germany, you can calculate ~20ct per Wattmonth for electricity,
         | so ~1EUR of this would go to electricity alone. Hosting at home
         | also tends to come without static IP and non-symmetrical,
         | somewhat unstable connections (speaking from painful
         | experience).
         | 
         | For this service you pay ~6EUR per month (assuming 50EUR for
         | the Pi and two years of runtime, no SSD) for a rather powerful
         | VM. Just as a comparison, at Linode, you get 1 shared CPU and
         | 1G of RAM for roughly the same price, compared to 4 core and
         | 4-8 gigs with the Pi. Storage is even more expensive, so if you
         | attach a large SSD, the calculation becomes even better (but
         | the 10Mbit might become a bottleneck quickly).
         | 
         | [0] https://www.linode.com/products/shared/
        
           | GekkePrutser wrote:
           | Scaleway's stardust is a lot cheaper though, and faster in
           | terms of connectivity. But they are limited to 2 per customer
        
         | ciex wrote:
         | You can attach a big ass SSD to this and still pay just $6 a
         | month. This is unique I think.
         | 
         | I wonder how they would feel if you add your custom electronics
         | to the Pi's GPIO connector.
        
           | walrus01 wrote:
           | I don't see how much use you would get out of a 2TB or 4TB
           | SATA SSD attached to a raspberry pi if the network is locked
           | at 10Mbps throughput.
        
             | tyingq wrote:
             | ~10.5 days per TB over 10Mbps :)
        
               | walrus01 wrote:
               | for the very patient rclone users
        
               | entropie wrote:
               | Depending on use that might be enough. I synced 1.4tb
               | over multiple days with like 30mbit/s. Who cares?
        
           | ed25519FUUU wrote:
           | An RPI4 w/ SSD for $6 is probably the best compute for the
           | buck right now in colo prices. This basically looks like a
           | BYO hardware setup where they can maximize economics due to
           | the RPI form factor being consistent.
           | 
           | I'd like to see the same thing but with a Mac mini.
        
             | ghostly_s wrote:
             | There have been Mac Mini colos for ages.
        
         | glenneroo wrote:
         | Anything benefiting from a static IP address, such as running
         | your own VPN, mail server, Bitcoin node, TOR node... the latter
         | of which got me banned by my bank's security team because I was
         | marked as "suspicious traffic" (wasn't even an exit node) -
         | preventing me from using online banking. Talking to support
         | proved fruitless, however the ban was lifted as soon as I
         | changed my IP address.
        
           | SahAssar wrote:
           | They don't give you a dedicated public IP, and only 10Mbit
           | bandwidth.
        
           | hellojesus wrote:
           | I fix this by running a script on a cron job that updates dns
           | records based on my current ip, using cloudfront to only
           | allow known ips through my ufw rules. It doesn't work for
           | 100% uptime, but I've never had an instance where visiting my
           | domain failed.
           | 
           | It may not work if you're running a tor node, depending on
           | how cloudfront deals with them, but it does work for mostly-
           | reliable dns resolution on a non-static, residential isp
           | connection.
           | 
           | Not negating the project, just offering an alternative for
           | people that want a static ip without renting vps/metal and
           | without the isp static upcharge.
        
             | mike_d wrote:
             | > alternative for people that want a static ip without
             | renting vps/metal
             | 
             | How do you think Cloudfront works? Amazon is just selling
             | you a bunch of VMs pre-configured as load balancers.
             | 
             | Not trying to be a jerk here, but the cloud has really
             | caused otherwise smart people to lose a grasp on reality.
        
           | xg15 wrote:
           | Note that the IP address is shared with other PIs and there
           | are restrictions on which ports you can use:
           | https://examesh.de/en/docs/colocation/accessing-the-pi/
        
             | tyingq wrote:
             | I wonder why they wouldn't include direct ipv6 connectivity
             | in addition to that proxy thing.
        
             | YPPH wrote:
             | That's a really big caveat - thanks for flagging it.
             | 
             | Looks like web hosting or a mail server is completely out
             | of the question.
        
           | ghostly_s wrote:
           | Why a Pi though? You're obviously not making use of any of
           | that expensive IO other than the eth...why not just offer a
           | "Pi-compatible " custom board* that's actually designed in a
           | sensible way for this use-case? Would be substantially
           | cheaper and more energy efficient.
           | 
           | *Or really just shared hosting w/ containers running Raspbian
           | on standard server hardware with a nice onboarding workflow
           | for migrating from a real Pi would likely be sufficient for
           | most people's use-cases--if you're not using peripherals I
           | imagine you don't have any need for the real time OS
           | features?
        
         | vmception wrote:
         | That's such a polite way of saying this is the dumbest thing
         | you've ever seen
         | 
         | Because that was my first reaction and thought it was a joke,
         | like real, but done out of jest
         | 
         | Similar to how an engineer put a string concatenation function
         | on a networked compute instance, NPM and released it on docker
        
         | my123 wrote:
         | Small unit of dedicated hardware, without any other tenants on
         | that same host.
        
           | contravariant wrote:
           | I mean sure, but if you've already bough a raspberry pi then
           | you're most of the way there surely?
        
           | tata71 wrote:
           | Hugely underrated comment.
        
         | GekkePrutser wrote:
         | Security perhaps. VPS is no longer as secure with the rowhammer
         | and cache exploitation vulnerabilities. And if you only need a
         | tiny system, a raspberry pi is pretty ideal
        
       | mysterydip wrote:
       | "12 pis in 1U" where 1U is defined as the height of a pi on its
       | side plus shelf, rather than the definition of 1U in every other
       | 19" rackmount data center
        
         | aae42 wrote:
         | it seemed like they didn't quite understand the concept of rack
         | units to me either
        
         | zamadatix wrote:
         | From their rack diagram it looks to really be 2.67U + 1U 24
         | port switch per 12.
        
       | jiripospisil wrote:
       | While I completely understand the allure of running on your own
       | hardware, if you just want a cheap server to host a personal page
       | or similar, you cannot beat Scaleway's Stardust VM instances. For
       | less than 2 EUR a month you get 1 vCPU, 1 GB of RAM, 1 IPv4+IPv6
       | address, 10GB of storage and unlimited traffic. They claim up-to
       | 100Mbps bandwidth but I regularly get much more than that. This
       | sounds like a commercial but I'm just really happy with the
       | service.
       | 
       | https://gist.github.com/jiripospisil/b044b409d25dcf37d6e2c94...
        
         | xg15 wrote:
         | I think local hardware makes sense for LAN-only sites - e.g. a
         | company wiki, a media center or a file storage with web
         | interface.
         | 
         | For anything that is supposed to be visible on the internet,
         | I'd always use a hosted server - if nothing else, because I
         | really don't want to open an ingress into my personal home
         | network, even if my ISP permitted that.
         | 
         | For use-cases were you _have_ to handle certain incoming
         | requests even though your setup is mostly LAN-only otherwise
         | (webhooks, ACME, adding some dashboard you can access from your
         | phone...), services like PageKite[1] sound promising.
         | 
         | [1] http://pagekite.net/
        
         | gurchik wrote:
         | I would recommend Racknerd as well. Not affiliated with them
         | except a happy customer. I pay $36/yr for my 2 GB memory, 2
         | vCPU, 50 GB SSD VPS that I run Nextcloud on. I also have a
         | $16/yr VPS with 1.5 GB memory and 30 GB SSD for K3s
        
           | GekkePrutser wrote:
           | Interesting. I hadn't heard of them. Their yearly prices are
           | excellent.
           | 
           | Not unlimited data though. But I'll keep them on my list,
           | thanks
        
         | lizknope wrote:
         | You can find a lot of cheap VM instances at this site. I use
         | buyvm.net and I've been happy with them the last 5 years.
         | 
         | https://lowendbox.com/
        
         | ringworld wrote:
         | https://www.scaleway.com/en/stardust-instances/
         | 
         | I am not a fan of the lottery approach and being told you're
         | lucky to do business with them.
        
           | jiripospisil wrote:
           | I understand it more like a struggle to keep up it the demand
           | for these instances and this was their attempt to "gamify"
           | it.
        
           | randomluck040 wrote:
           | The lottery approach pissed me off so bad, I decided to leave
           | Scaleway altogether. They also aren't upfront about their
           | contingents. I wanted to try out an M1 instance and before
           | registering and putting my credit card info in, it seemed
           | like it'd be all fine, I just have to put in cc info. I did,
           | they told me there are no instances available. The fair way
           | would be to be upfront about it in my opinion.
        
           | mike_d wrote:
           | It isn't a lottery as much as an availability constraint.
           | 
           | First you have a limit of 1 stardust per datacenter per
           | customer. Second, they only spin up a fixed number of new
           | stardust servers per day.
           | 
           | It is a loss leader just like in any other business. They are
           | losing money on one instance to get you in the door and you
           | realize their other services are awesome.
        
       | projektfu wrote:
       | How do you fit a raspberry pi edge-wise (56.5mm) into a rack unit
       | (44.5mm)?
        
         | mbalyuzi wrote:
         | This https://twitter.com/Merocle/status/1407684311344730117 is
         | quite a nice approach, albeit using a CM4.
        
         | kingcharles wrote:
         | Very carefully.
        
         | evan_ wrote:
         | It looks like they have a rack that's 1U tall, but they only
         | fill every few units to leave space for the pis. So in other
         | words, it's 3U...
        
       | whalesalad wrote:
       | This is _neat_ but from a scaling perspective it doesn't make
       | sense. A single server grade Xeon chip can expose the same
       | compute power as a cluster of these devices, with better
       | performance across the board (memory access, peripherals, etc)
       | 
       | Just trying to grok a legit use case?
        
         | flatiron wrote:
         | Nervous people about spectre? Only thing I can think of besides
         | renting a VM.
        
         | KennyBlanken wrote:
         | The use case is greenwashing and separating people from their
         | money because everyone thinks Pis are just the bee's knees.
         | 
         | The Pentium G6400 outperforms a Pi4 4-5x, and has a 54W TDP
         | (onboard GPU so at least part of that is for the GPU, so CPU-
         | only workloads will be less.) The Ryzen 5600x is 65W and is
         | twice as fast (at least) as the G6400...so in theory a 5600x is
         | twice as energy efficient as a Pi4 if fully loaded. Sure this
         | doesn't account for system fans and the motherboard, but they
         | don't use that much compared to the CPU.
         | 
         | The whole point of virtualization is that most systems are idle
         | a lot of the time. At datacenter scale virtualization, you can
         | dramatically over-provision and shut down/sleep unnecessary
         | nodes, firing them up when you need to. You can get near 100%
         | utilization on your hardware, making the very most of every
         | watt that doesn't go to actually computing.
         | 
         | Here they're going to have a zillion Pi4's, most of them
         | sitting idle, but still using a couple watts. They're not even
         | bothering to use any sort of shared power to improve PSU
         | efficiency. They're not even bothering to use Pi4 compute
         | modules.
         | 
         | Now, the interesting bit is that now there's the Pi Zero
         | Wireless 2. It has nearly the compute power of the 3B+, but the
         | highest energy efficiency per watt of any Pi board so far...
        
           | selfhoster11 wrote:
           | > The Pentium G6400 outperforms a Pi4 4-5x, and has a 54W TDP
           | (onboard GPU so at least part of that is for the GPU, so CPU-
           | only workloads will be less.) The Ryzen 5600x is 65W and is
           | twice as fast (at least) as the G6400...
           | 
           | That's more energy efficient, sure. But it sets a lower
           | boundary on the power draw much higher than a normal Pi. A Pi
           | plus a single external HDD draws 12W at the socket, according
           | to my measurements. A PC CPU draws 4-5x that, just by itself.
           | The other components on the motherboard need power too, even
           | if you use integrated graphics or no graphics at all.
           | 
           | A PC only becomes more power-efficient if your load can't fit
           | in three or more Pis. For plenty of uses, more than two Pis
           | are an overkill.
        
       | PragmaticPulp wrote:
       | I like the idea in theory, but I can't entirely agree with the
       | "Green" designation. Putting 12 Raspberry Pis, 12 USB SSDs, 12
       | switch ports, and cabling and power supplies for all of the above
       | adds up quickly.
       | 
       | From a pure compute-per-watt perspective using typical cloud
       | workloads, I'd still expect a run of the mill shared cloud server
       | to be more efficient. It would also allow for more burst overhead
       | for individual workloads.
       | 
       | This is an interesting option for people who need a specific
       | Raspberry Pi hosted somewhere.
        
         | piaste wrote:
         | > This is an interesting option for people who need a specific
         | Raspberry Pi hosted somewhere.
         | 
         | What is that use case though? The page says that they only host
         | regular Pis and optionally a USB SSD. So they can't do anything
         | that a regular cloud server can't do - no custom hats, etc.
         | 
         | I have a Pi 4 home server, and the biggest issue right now is
         | that my home upload is a bit weak for remote video streaming.
         | So this product could interest me, in theory - saves me from
         | having to migrate all my data & configuration to a cloud
         | server. But I would rather pay Hetzner a very similar amount of
         | money to get a VPS that's about as powerful as a Pi (probably
         | more) and still have the physical Pi here at home as a
         | fallback.
         | 
         | Maybe there are ARM-specialized, highly distributed tasks for
         | which a fleet of Pis is particularly efficient?
        
           | jo909 wrote:
           | > I have a Pi 4 home server, and the biggest issue right now
           | is that my home upload is a bit weak for remote video
           | streaming.
           | 
           | "To ensure that every Pi at our decentralized locations
           | always has enough network throughput, the uplink and downlink
           | is fixed at 10 Mbps."
           | 
           | Not sure about your use case, but for me that is way less
           | bandwidth than I have at home.
        
           | zamadatix wrote:
           | Edit: This is in response to the "fleet of Pi's" question,
           | obviously a Mac Mini is not going to be cheaper to rent than
           | a single Pi! The aforementioned VPS route is the better way
           | to go for that case.
           | 
           | Scaleway will give you an 8 core 16GB RAM 256GB SSD M1 Mac
           | Mini for EUR0.1/h. It may not sound like much of an increase
           | from core count but it is ~10x faster for multicore which
           | means it probably comes out on top for perf/EUR, perf/Watt,
           | and total perf compared to a rack of Pi 4's for any such
           | distributed ARM use case.
           | 
           | For pure traditional cloud a Graviton2 instance on AWS is
           | probably more green, albeit probably less cost efficient to
           | the user.
        
             | selectodude wrote:
             | That's EUR72/mo. Different price class there.
        
               | zamadatix wrote:
               | To be clear this isn't an alternative to hosting a single
               | Pi it was in response to the distributed case:
               | 
               | > Maybe there are ARM-specialized, highly distributed
               | tasks for which a fleet of Pis is particularly efficient?
               | 
               | Assuming the task really requires ARM, is perfectly
               | scalable among multiple systems, doesn't require more
               | than 10mbps between the nodes, and doesn't require
               | dedicated control/scheduling nodes (i.e. best case for
               | the Pi's) a _fleet_ in multiples of 10 Pi 's per would be
               | $59.90 month each plus the up front cost of the Pi's,
               | power adapters, SSDs, and shipping. And even if you wrote
               | off the up front hardware as on hand it would still be
               | significantly less green to run.
        
         | AshamedCaptain wrote:
         | Raspberry Pis may be "green" in that they are cheap, but power
         | efficient they aren't. They have barely any power management
         | support, making their idle power usage higher than even some
         | x86 chips.
        
           | Sebb767 wrote:
           | > making their idle power usage higher than even some x86
           | chips
           | 
           | What x86 chip can idle on 4W when including RAM and the
           | mainboard?
           | 
           | I have some very low power J1900 boards, but even they idle
           | on ~10W.
        
             | AshamedCaptain wrote:
             | It's not hard for x86 laptops to idle below 4W (see Surface
             | https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Go-
             | Pentium-6... , even Pro ones with screen on they idle well
             | below 10W). With 10W just for the SoC you get into desktop
             | or gaming laptop territory.
             | 
             | I have a full x86 system that idles at 1.7W _at the wall_
             | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639929 . This is an
             | off-the-shelf ASUS PN40 mini-desktop, running an N4000, and
             | includes 8GB RAM, a SATA SSD, and Gigabit ethernet, all
             | running and accepting requests.
        
       | erulabs wrote:
       | Hey this is sort of the mirror opposite of my startup (we try to
       | bring the internet to your home-pi, rather than ship your home-pi
       | to a datacenter!). Neat tho! I'm not entirely sure it's that
       | power efficient versus a carved up hypervisor tho...
        
         | alexatalktome wrote:
         | Oh my god you run KubeSail! Neat!
         | 
         | I saw this and thought "can I use kube sail and host stuff in a
         | mini cloud?"
        
       | sokoloff wrote:
       | I know that co-location means "customer owned hardware", but in
       | this case, I think I'd way rather rent data center owned RPis and
       | just pay them money rather than sending in hardware, having to
       | cycle out hardware if/when it fails, etc.
       | 
       | It also means the colo is running whatever random power supply I
       | send them, which seems like something they'd want to avoid and
       | means that there's all the inefficiency of 12 supplies per U
       | rather than one beefy +5.1V supply (with battery backing) feeding
       | the Pis via the GPIO pins.
        
         | joosters wrote:
         | Mythic Beasts do PI hosting with their own servers, and are a
         | very good company: https://www.mythic-beasts.com/order/rpi
        
         | klyrs wrote:
         | I was hoping they'd have a DC power supply per rack, but their
         | FAQ makes it clear that this is not the case. Bit of a missed
         | opportunity there. Handling heterogeneous power supplies sounds
         | like a nightmare.
        
           | jagger27 wrote:
           | What a bummer. Something like an 80PLUS Platinum ATX PC PSU
           | could do around 40 amps on the 5V rails. Redundant server
           | PSUs seem like an obvious choice here.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | HideousKojima wrote:
         | I've worked with a colo in the US that hosts Raspberry Pis and
         | they required that you have a PoE hat, so no sending in a power
         | supply.
        
           | ed25519FUUU wrote:
           | It looks like they have a custom built rack for the Pi, so
           | supplying a custom 5v rail probably wouldn't be hard at all
           | and would almost certainly be cheaper than large deployments
           | of PoE switches.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | geerlingguy wrote:
         | It seems like either feeding 5v via custom power supply on GPIO
         | or requiring PoE HATs (though those are slightly less
         | efficient...) would be a better scalable option.
         | 
         | One massive thing that seems to be missing here (unless I've
         | missed it) is any kind of remote ability to manage the server,
         | eg at a minimum remote power cycling, if the Pi locks up. It
         | would also be nice to get remote console but that would require
         | even more effort and potentially slight customization on the
         | Pis' boot config (to enable UART).
        
           | sokoloff wrote:
           | Agree, a central supply with a 3A MOSFET for control and a
           | PTC for basic protection would give a lot more functionality
           | and reduce customer downtime and smart-hands touches.
        
             | RL_Quine wrote:
             | At that point what you're describing has little resemblance
             | to a hosted RPI though, the complexity justifies just
             | making something custom that's better suited to the task
             | than shoe horning Raspberry Pi hardware into a rack.
        
               | danachow wrote:
               | Sorry but that's bullshit.. they're describing a basic
               | power switch (even simpler than a PoE hat) which is
               | nothing compared to the design complexity of an MCU board
               | with memory, peripherals and chip level power conversion.
        
         | prirun wrote:
         | They also sell PI Instances for $2.88/mo:
         | 
         | https://examesh.de/en/instances/pi/
        
           | Dylan16807 wrote:
           | Wait, renting is more than a dollar cheaper than colocating?
        
       | 1MachineElf wrote:
       | At least this offering eliminates the threat vector a of
       | compromised hypervisor.
        
       | ZiiS wrote:
       | Realy needs a secure boot option.
        
       | paulcole wrote:
       | How exactly is it exclusive?
        
       | anyfactor wrote:
       | I bet everyone who has a raspberry pi had this idea. Throwing a
       | raspberry pi with a solar panel and a sim card to a random place.
       | It could be for backup, vpn or to access some private network.
       | But having it be a rackmounted VM in a fixed location doesn't
       | sound that fun to me.
        
       | aofeisheng wrote:
       | > What is the traffic limit?
       | 
       | > It's 2021. We don't have a traffic limit for a Raspberry Pi.
       | 
       | > What is the data transfer rate?
       | 
       | > The data rate is synchronously set to 10 Mbit/s per Raspberry.
       | 
       | It's 2021, and you think 10 Mbit/s is enough.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | ChuckNorris89 wrote:
         | _> It's 2021, and you think 10 Mbit/s is enough._
         | 
         | I mean, not to disagree here, but that's pretty much the
         | average internet speed in some third world countries, like
         | Austria for example. :)
        
           | tiagod wrote:
           | So, a single person in such country would be enough to
           | saturate the server...
        
       | jagger27 wrote:
       | I can't imagine having any hardware colocated without proper out-
       | of-band KVM access. Who is going to drive out to the wind turbine
       | and flash a new disk image to my Pi?
       | 
       | 10Mbps is also excruciatingly slow. I was ready to see a 100Mbps
       | cap.
        
       | bennyp101 wrote:
       | From https://examesh.de/en/docs/colocation/accessing-the-pi/ :
       | 
       | "Instead of using a public IP the Pi is accessed by combining a
       | public hostname with dedicated TCP ports. The hostname points to
       | one of the ExaMesh gateways and is assigned to the colocation
       | along with the available TCP ports in the booking process."
       | 
       | So maybe useful for an extra node for redundency, but maybe not
       | as useful as having an actual address. Perhaps an extra encrypted
       | Syncthing node or something
        
       | buildbuildbuild wrote:
       | I think they'll need to iterate a bit to find product market fit.
       | The 10mbit bandwidth limit, calling it "Decentralized", no public
       | IP downsides are off-putting even at this price.
        
       | holri wrote:
       | In Vienna/Austria there is a rpi or similar housing with a real
       | ipv4 address:
       | 
       | https://www.easyserver.at/serverhousing
        
       | RL_Quine wrote:
       | The description of "decentralized" seems to be a little weak
       | here.
        
       | joosters wrote:
       | Somewhat ironically, I'd guess that putting a server inside a
       | wind turbine makes it _less_ likely that you are utilising green
       | energy. The power and comms connections to that location are
       | there primarily to monitor the turbine, and they want that to
       | work all the time, and _especially_ when the blades aren 't
       | turning. So you don't go powering it with the wind farm itself.
       | 
       | Installing the server anywhere else means there is a chance that
       | its power is being generated by that wind turbine!
        
         | sgtnoodle wrote:
         | One could power the equipment off the turbine when it's
         | operating, and off an alternative supply otherwise.
         | 
         | It seems a little silly to worry about where the specific
         | electrons came from to power the equipment, though. If powering
         | that equipment enables a wind turbine to produce more power
         | than it would have without that equipment, then it seems like
         | the existence of that equipment is "green" whether or not its
         | power came from dirtier sources.
        
           | mike_d wrote:
           | Wind turbines generate 690v three phase. It isn't stepped
           | down until it gets to a substation near the consumer.
           | 
           | The power needed onsite (lights, control systems, energy to
           | start the blades spinning, etc) usually comes from a natural
           | gas generator or a direct feed from a fossil fuel plant if
           | one is nearby. Due to circular dependencies, you can't power
           | them off the energy they generate.
        
       | mr_sturd wrote:
       | EDIS offered a colo service for free, back in the early RPi days.
       | 
       | I had two gen 1.5 machines hosted with them; one with OwnCloud,
       | and another hosted my music via SFTP.
        
         | bullen wrote:
         | gen 1.5? Are they still running those for free?
         | 
         | I had "free" colocations in Sweden and Holland that then turned
         | not free then got cancelled altogether.
         | 
         | Pi clusters are best for home hosting on your own fiber.
         | 
         | Also those Pi 4 need heatsinks like so:
         | http://move.rupy.se/file/final_pi_2_4_hybrid.png
        
           | mr_sturd wrote:
           | They were a revision of the first gen Raspberry Pi. A bit
           | more stable and seemed to not corrupt the root filesystem
           | after a few hours, which the initial one seemed to invariably
           | do for me.
           | 
           | They're not offering it any more, no.
           | 
           | I moved to self-hosting after that. Even got a static IP
           | address for it.
        
       | smarx007 wrote:
       | > To ensure that every Pi at our decentralized locations always
       | has enough network throughput, the uplink and downlink is fixed
       | at 10 Mbps.
       | 
       | Ok, thx, I have a 100/10 Mpbs link at home. The only reason I'd
       | place my Pi in a colo is to get 100/100 Mpbs or 1 Gbit network.
       | 
       | Edit: https://contabo.com/en/vps/ (200Mpbs in the cheapest plan)
       | or https://www.seedhost.eu/ (1/10G) is not too far from the
       | EUR6,- price mark and I don't have to own the hardware.
        
       | roughly wrote:
       | I totally understand all of the drawbacks here, I agree that it's
       | hard to think of an actual use case, and all that aside, there's
       | something aesthetically pleasing here in an "I'd read about this
       | in a William Gibson novel" kind of way. "My compute fleet is
       | distributed across a field of windmills in Europe" just _sounds_
       | cool.
        
       | sgtnoodle wrote:
       | I wonder how they mirror the raspberry pis without destroying
       | them.
       | 
       | (Look at their cad drawing of 12 pis in a rack.)
        
       | walrus01 wrote:
       | I think I'd rather have a decently specced KVM VM on a x86-64
       | hypervisor somewhere, I can run mainline debian on, for $6/mo
       | than a raspberry pi. For that money if you look you can get
       | something with 2 pseudo cores, 2 gigs of ram, and probably 40GB
       | of storage.
       | 
       | At least I can have more confidence that the storage won't
       | spontaneously fail, and network throughput greater than 10 Mbps.
       | 
       | This seems like a cool _idea_ and all and it 's certainly cheap
       | for hobby projects. But I wonder how viable it really is as a
       | business model. Doing the math on person-hour costs if just one
       | pi requires 15 minutes of support/human attention from a person
       | at the ISP, once, you're losing money on that customer forever.
        
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