[HN Gopher] IoT Nixie Tubes
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       IoT Nixie Tubes
        
       Author : todsacerdoti
       Score  : 93 points
       Date   : 2021-11-16 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | DoingIsLearning wrote:
       | Numitron tubes are way cheaper, way lower voltage, and much
       | easier to drive than Nixie tubes. They are still visually very
       | similar in terms of the retro steampunky look.
       | 
       | For anyone who wants to try to build something similar you can
       | easily buy Numitron tubes on ebay from eastern europe suppliers.
       | 
       | P.S.A. Please do stay away from Nixie tube drivers if you are not
       | confident/knowledgeable about HV circuitry
        
         | Hamuko wrote:
         | > _They are still visually very similar in terms of the retro
         | steampunky look._
         | 
         | That's not exactly what I'd call "very similar".
        
           | tofof wrote:
           | Yeah. Numitrons are like, "how about the disadvantages of a
           | segmented display AND a nixie tube at once!"
           | 
           | Admittedly not the high voltage requirement, but the bulky
           | glass housing and pinout etc.
        
         | jabbany wrote:
         | It's not _that_ bad...
         | 
         | I've accidentally touched the HV side of (more modern) nixie
         | tube drivers. You can get certainly get zapped but the drivers
         | can't supply enough current for it to be particularly
         | dangerous.
        
           | DoingIsLearning wrote:
           | As with most things it depends, a driver that is current
           | limited and drawing 50 mA is probably gonna hurt you but you
           | have much beffier drivers. Typically nixie drivers will have
           | large reservoir caps on the output side for ripple, someone
           | less aware can easily get hurt.
        
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       | daneel_w wrote:
       | I'd settle for push-buttons on the back of the case, to keep
       | things sane and simple, and to keep down the pointless material
       | waste. Though it's definitely among the neater Internet-Of-Shit
       | things I've seen lately.
        
       | MarkMarine wrote:
       | I hope that wasn't your actual wifi SSID and password.
        
         | jrockway wrote:
         | What if it is? You can drive to that person's house, park
         | outside, and steal some Wifi?
         | 
         | (With the combination of SSID/password that is in the document,
         | though, that's kind of like saying "I hope example@example.com
         | isn't your real email address." Well no, it's an example.)
        
         | open-paren wrote:
         | "hunter2" is an old internet joke that started on IRC
         | 
         | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hunter2
        
           | Arnavion wrote:
           | Original link: http://bash.org/?244321
        
       | lmilcin wrote:
       | Maybe not as sexy-looking, but I still prefer VFD displays. The
       | voltage is less threatening. And if you are lazy you can buy them
       | with serial interface. Also you can buy them really cheap.
        
       | blutack wrote:
       | Awesome job!
       | 
       | I built something similar based on a Lasermad PS85 clock kit (1),
       | although with an MQTT based API rather than HTTP. The built in
       | firmware was a bit annoying so I ended up borging an ESP32 in
       | place of the PIC onto the supplied PCB. Now it supports NTP &
       | MQTT commands for power on/off of the nixie tube HV supply, as
       | well as brightness/animations/custom blinks etc. Keep meaning to
       | write a blog post on it.
       | 
       | Something to bear in mind if you're using it a reasonable amount
       | is nixie poisoning [2]. My clock firmware runs all the tubes
       | through each digit in rapid succession for a minute at the top of
       | the hour.
       | 
       | Also that white connector on your power board is an "enable". You
       | could just connect that to a GPIO on your ESP32, and then ditch
       | the tasmota and let the ESP32 control whether the tube is on or
       | not. Would simplify your cabling and software.
       | 
       | If you really want to go overboard, expose it as a MQTT device
       | with HomeAssistant autodiscovery support. It shows up
       | automatically and you can then use any HA integrations to drive
       | it, such as the sunset or presence sensors...
       | 
       | 1: http://www.lasermad.com/shop/product/5-tube-nixie-
       | clock-v3-d...
       | 
       | 2: http://www.tube-
       | tester.com/sites/nixie/different/cathode%20p...
        
       | jareklupinski wrote:
       | Excellent writeup, love the detail behind all the choices and how
       | they relate to reality, not just theory or aesthetic choices.
       | 
       | I used less expensive russian tubes to afford 4 digits in my
       | build, but had to buy 6 to get 4 working ones :(
       | https://github.com/jareklupinski/nixienet
        
       | anfractuosity wrote:
       | The Dalibor Farny nixies look amazing, I really like the video of
       | them making them too.
       | 
       | I bought an interesting display recently that I only found out
       | about recently, called something like - IGG1-64x64M. The type I
       | got is an r,g,b matrix. It requires a voltage higher than nixies
       | apparently.
       | 
       | Some handy links on them:
       | 
       | https://hackaday.io/project/46302-1-64x64m-adventure
       | 
       | https://archive.org/details/1-64x64mDatasheetenglishTranslat...
       | 
       | I'm planning on trying to drive mine using an FPGA hopefully.
       | 
       | I'm curious if anyone knows more about them, someone suggested to
       | me it's possibly neon based with filters.
        
       | jhgb wrote:
       | > One day I asked him, what's the deal with the crappy LED clock
       | in the living room and he proudly told me that he had built it
       | himself, from a kit
       | 
       | Heh. Just like my dad, then, except there were no "kits" in
       | pre-1989 Czechoslovakia.
        
       | petro_vodopyan wrote:
       | Be careful with Nixie tubes - they are a real addiction. I
       | started with a hobby project and shortly it turned into a small
       | business. If you are looking for a clock - will be happy to see
       | you at my https://nixieshop.com/
        
         | blutack wrote:
         | They look like beautiful hardware. Have you considered using an
         | ESP or NRF etc as the control processor to (optionally) enable
         | WiFi and therefore NTP automatic clock setting and daylight
         | savings? It seems like something none of the commercial Nixie
         | clocks have, and I don't really understand why? Maybe there's a
         | commercial aspect I'm not appreciating. For me personally I
         | like the idea of a clock always being dead on without needing
         | manual sync.
         | 
         | I'd be happy to write the firmware for you for free clocks :)
        
           | stavros wrote:
           | Wait, how would you do automatic DST? I've made a small alarm
           | clock for myself but DST is always a pain, and I'm not super
           | jazzed about writing the entire logic myself.
        
           | petro_vodopyan wrote:
           | Thanks! yeah, I'm currently working on migration to ESP32. It
           | has reasonable price and is feature-rich. Apart from the
           | automatic NTP sync I like the idea of creating web or BLE app
           | for managing setting etc (bye bye ugly IR remote and buttons)
           | - everything in your phone now. And thanks for your offer -
           | that would be great ;)
           | 
           | By the way there is a Google forum with many other Nixie
           | enthusiasts here https://groups.google.com/g/neonixie-l/
        
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       | Daniel_sk wrote:
       | Nice to hear that someone is still producing these tubes! What is
       | the life expectancy of such a tube if switched on constantly?
        
         | jareklupinski wrote:
         | i have been running a 4-digit nixie clock off NOS russian tubes
         | non-stop for a few years now.
         | 
         | two of the number tubes burned out in that time, one shortly
         | after turning it on, one a year later.
         | 
         | they were socketed and I bought spares so replacing wasn't a
         | big deal, and the 4 tubes socketed in now have been working for
         | years, but ymmv with anything that old tho spares are cheap to
         | carry for such a nice piece :)
        
         | blutack wrote:
         | Depends on the tube and if you account for cathode poisoning.
         | My clock is still going strong after 3 years, coming on
         | automatically at sunset and goes off at midnight.
        
           | KennyBlanken wrote:
           | It also depends on the voltages you drive them at.
        
         | Slartie wrote:
         | I have built two six-digit Nixie clocks with Z5660M tubes,
         | which I bought as "new old stock" - likely unused - for about
         | 50EUR per piece over 10 years ago. Both of these clocks have
         | been running non-stop since then, and they are still going
         | strong after more than 86.000 hours of operation, with
         | negligible loss of brightness. They are still readable in
         | anything but direct, full-brightness sunlight, and illuminate
         | the room nicely by night.
         | 
         | I guess the flash memory of the Atmel microcontroller running
         | the clock logic will lose its contents before the tubes
         | eventually wear out.
        
         | jkingsman wrote:
         | Tangentially, this is a beautiful (with no music or narration;
         | text notes only) high quality video of modern artisanal (i.e.
         | all by hand) nixie tube manufacturing.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL4ElboiuA
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | This guy deserves every dime he gets from these. What a
           | tremendous amount of effort to make them.
        
           | Slartie wrote:
           | I love the glass working parts especially. And the creative
           | use of Ikea-sourced "lab equipment".
        
           | omnicognate wrote:
           | "I needed more room so I moved from the garden shed to a
           | local castle."
           | 
           | What a guy.
        
           | rx_tx wrote:
           | This is the actual manufacturer of the tube from the article!
           | A modern nixie tube manufacture, they have had to (re)learn
           | the processes and tooling again, from old books, and
           | acquiring old tools like that awesome glass lathe. Their
           | youtube channel is great to watch, they explain a lot of
           | their steps.
           | 
           | https://www.daliborfarny.com/
        
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