[HN Gopher] The WeeCee - Tiny Vortex86-Based DOS Gaming PC
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       The WeeCee - Tiny Vortex86-Based DOS Gaming PC
        
       Author : nickt
       Score  : 64 points
       Date   : 2021-11-19 19:39 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.vogons.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.vogons.org)
        
       | ryanmercer wrote:
       | Saw this via LGR's patreon earlier this week, I want one so bad.
        
       | kcb wrote:
       | The craziest thing is this guy built a soundcard from schematic
       | to pcb in hand in a section of a youtube video.
        
       | nickt wrote:
       | via LGRs video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USHvvSbYmJA
       | 
       | rasteri also did a couple of build videos: Part 1:
       | https://youtu.be/aJEp4ZUG7BI Part 2:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1E2vjpcRo
        
       | tmaly wrote:
       | That forum is what looks even more interesting than the hardware
       | being reviewed in that post.
        
         | gattilorenz wrote:
         | It is. It's also a community of packrats that have a copy of
         | every driver and bios under the sun, including huge dumps of
         | FTP archives that have been lost to the sands of time (e.g. NEC
         | or Acer's support FTP)
        
       | mrweasel wrote:
       | Vortex86 is just as interesting as the WeeCee. Surely they must
       | have an x86 licens, where did they get that? They don't appear to
       | have a license for AMD64, but could they get one?
        
         | zozbot234 wrote:
         | Vortex86 implements i586, which should surely be IP-
         | unencumbered by now? Why would they need a license?
        
           | shakna wrote:
           | > Vortex86 implements i586, which should surely be IP-
           | unencumbered by now?
           | 
           | Even if you go from the launch date and not the last errata,
           | the i586 architecture is only 28 years old. In today's world
           | of copyright, that's practically an infant.
           | 
           | To be clear of most patents, you generally need at least
           | thirty years, and copyrights are generally more than twice
           | that number.
           | 
           | You will probably require a license from Intel. (Though
           | whether or not they care enough to enforce things is another
           | matter entirely).
        
             | gigel82 wrote:
             | I was always confused about patents, copyrights and
             | licenses when it comes to hardware.
             | 
             | Surely if you do a (clean-room) implementation of hardware
             | that is interface compatible with existing hardware that is
             | ok? Isn't that how we got the IBM PC Clones?
        
               | shakna wrote:
               | > Isn't that how we got the IBM PC Clones?
               | 
               | IBM encouraging developers to target their BIOS and not
               | the hardware, and BIOS clean room designs is where we got
               | the IBM PC clones - but that's still the world of
               | software. (Note: IBM managed to take clones by Eagle
               | Computer and Corona Data Systems off the market because
               | the software wasn't a clean room design).
               | 
               | The IBM PC's pluggable design with already existing
               | standard ports made it easy to build clones, because it
               | wasn't the hardware that was being interfaced with. If
               | you could clone the BIOS and have that speak to your
               | components however you wanted, then you could make an IBM
               | compatible.
        
               | Teever wrote:
               | From my understand this is correct to a point but a more
               | pressing issue is that some specific implementations of
               | algorithms in hardware may be under patent.
               | 
               | If this is the case it means a competitor can use an
               | alternative design that is less efficient at the cost of
               | space/heat but that can result in substantially less
               | competitive product.
        
             | badsectoracula wrote:
             | I can understand patents (though i thought it'd be 17-20
             | years, not 30) but why would they need to worry about
             | copyright to make new implementation of the x86 instruction
             | set?
        
               | R0b0t1 wrote:
               | Using AMD as an example you shouldn't? But the oracle
               | ruling calls that into question. An instruction set is an
               | interface.
               | 
               | But, that ruling is extremely whack as it means nobody
               | but the ISA originator can make an assembler, for
               | example.
        
               | monocasa wrote:
               | The final oracle ruling is that it was fair use.
               | 
               | That being said, back in the day there was concern about
               | all of that, hence why a Z80 is binary compatible with an
               | 8080, but has different mnemonics. It's all LD this ST
               | that, as opposed to the 8080's MOV.
        
         | pantalaimon wrote:
         | Afaik they got it from SiS
        
       | fouc wrote:
       | > It's a mini PC capable of running MS-DOS and Windows off a
       | MicroSD card that plays well with tons of classic PC games and
       | software, boasting Sound Blaster Pro and Wave Blaster/GM
       | compatibility, along with SXGA 32-bit color graphics with VGA out
       | 
       | https://circuitmaker.com/Projects/Details/rasteri/weeCee
        
         | snvzz wrote:
         | A pain re: no kicad or PDF schematics.
         | 
         | I just gave up on looking at them.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | The SOM datasheet without having to fill out a form:
       | https://tech.icop.com.tw/manual/som304rd-vi_datasheet.pdf
        
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