[HN Gopher] A new way to make quadratic equations easy
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       A new way to make quadratic equations easy
        
       Author : jbredeche
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2021-11-25 15:31 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | Supposedly wrote:
       | I'm surprised that people consider this worthy of begin published
       | on a semi-serious blog post https://www.poshenloh.com/quadratic/
       | .
        
       | CyberRabbi wrote:
       | "Completing the square" may seem like an arbitrary and hard to
       | remember math trick but it is the algebraic analogue of something
       | that is very intuitive in geometry. The Greeks solved quadratic
       | equations by visually completing the square.
        
       | saulrh wrote:
       | The B/2 term places the center of the parabola, which you can
       | verify by either inspecting the derivative or fiddling with a
       | graphing calculator. Then, because the parabola is symmetric, the
       | zeros must be a pair of points mirrored across the center, with
       | the distance from the center determined by the vertical offset
       | (the C term) versus the narrowness (the A term). Which I
       | definitely agree is an easier way to deal with the problem! But I
       | think that, if you're going to do it that way, it might be easier
       | to work from geometric intuition instead of an algebra trick that
       | represents but obscures the same relationship.
        
       | finite_jest wrote:
       | I don't think this is new at all. This looks like just a standard
       | proof of the quadratic formula.
       | 
       | I believe most people probably have seen a variation of this in
       | high school. Depending on your preferences, this might be a
       | slightly better or worse presentation than what you have seen
       | before.
       | 
       | The fact that they couldn't (or haven't) publish it in a journal
       | also supports this. [1]. (The ArXiv pre-print [2] is dated
       | December 16, 2019)
       | 
       | [1]:
       | https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22A...
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       | [2]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1910.06709.pdf
        
         | jimhefferon wrote:
         | I think there is a different standard way in Europe, compared
         | with the US. Dunno about other places.
        
       | cperciva wrote:
       | Leaving aside the fact that this isn't new -- it's how I was
       | taught to solve quadratic equations in the 80s -- if you look
       | closely he's still completing the square.
        
         | finite_jest wrote:
         | Surprisingly, the article seems to be written by a smart
         | mathematician, not a crackpot or a social scientist. [1]
         | 
         | This kinda reminds me of that medical researcher who
         | rediscovered trapezoid rule in 1994, and called it "Tai's
         | Mode". [2]
         | 
         | To be fair, this is slightly better as it is supposed to be
         | pedagogical, but it is still quite dishonest to pretend that it
         | is new.
         | 
         | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po-Shen_Loh
         | 
         | [2]: https://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-
         | research... (It's 459 citations now according to Google
         | Scholar, btw :-))
        
       | coyotespike wrote:
       | I learned this technique while reviewing high school math to take
       | the GRE, and really enjoyed it. I find it elegant and easier to
       | derive than the usual formula - I prefer not to memorize
       | equations. And with just a little practice, it was easy to work
       | through manually on my whiteboard (no scratch paper allowed).
       | 
       | Of course it is not some big discovery in fundamental knowledge -
       | but it is a helpful pedagogical advance and I am happy Po-Shen
       | Loh has advertised it.
        
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       | codeflo wrote:
       | I just hand-derived it both ways to make a comparison, the
       | standard way was from memory.
       | 
       | So. The standard way to complete the square uses a trick to
       | rearrange the equation so that one can use the formula (a+b)^2 =
       | a^2 + 2ab + b^2.
       | 
       | This uses a different trick to rearrange the equation to make use
       | of (a+b)(a-b) = a^2 - b^2.
       | 
       | Frankly, I don't see how this is any easier. If anything, I think
       | it's harder to do from memory because you need to introduce a new
       | variable in a very specific way to make the simplification work.
       | The standard way feels a lot more systematic.
        
       | jiggawatts wrote:
       | Three pop-ups or overlays when attempting to read the article.
       | 
       | If this is the new standard for the web, I want to get off the
       | ride.
        
       | jstx1 wrote:
       | This is neither new, nor easier. It can be interesting to think
       | about and deriving the same results through different methods can
       | help with understanding. But I really doubt that there will be
       | any students who can understand and use this who at the same
       | would struggle with the regular formula for the quadratic.
        
         | KolenCh wrote:
         | It is 2019-new https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.06709
        
       | rackjack wrote:
       | Should have (2019) in the title, I think
        
       | threatofrain wrote:
       | This is a modestly interesting simplification, but I think it's
       | notable that they are dealing with _monic_ quadratics.
        
       | prof-dr-ir wrote:
       | From 2019.
       | 
       | And, dare I say it, still a waste of time. In my not-so-humble
       | opinion you either know enough algebra to understand that, for
       | non-zero a, 0 = a x^2 + b x + c <=> 0 = x^2 + b/a x + c/a <=> 0 =
       | (x + b/2a)^2 - b^2/4a^2 + c/a <=> (x + b/2a)^2 = (b^2 - 4 a c) /
       | 4a^2 or you need to improve your basic algebra skills - not
       | search for a better derivation of this particular formula.
        
       | sedeki wrote:
       | The result is called "the PQ-formula" in Swedish and is taught in
       | schools.
        
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