[HN Gopher] Reality shifting: an emergent online daydreaming cul... ___________________________________________________________________ Reality shifting: an emergent online daydreaming culture Author : geox Score : 39 points Date : 2021-11-27 14:44 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (link.springer.com) (TXT) w3m dump (link.springer.com) | a94d5dc743 wrote: | That's lots of undead bodies to support; a huge market potential | for BSaaS (body-support-as-a-service). | | But there can arise a conflict of acronyms, because Bull-Shit-as- | a-Science is already alive and kicking. | stathibus wrote: | The only novel part of this is the particular way that kids talk | about it with each other on the internet. The activity itself is | the same old stuff. | theshadowknows wrote: | Wow, and here I am dropping cash on weed and shrooms like a | chump. I'll be honest, this strikes me as similar to the whole | binaural sounds thing...I tried that way back in high school and | got nothing from it but my friend swore it was elevating. I won't | knock it, I'm sure some people really do get something out of it | and who and I to say otherwise. I might even try it some time. | But shrooms haven't ever let me down. So at least I've got a | backup | A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: | I always had this idea that meditation was the long way to the | shortcut drugs offered. I am saying meditation, because, | despite using fancy new terminology (RS)( ..[is] facilitated by | specific induction methods involving relaxation, concentration | of attention, and autosuggestion ), the paper does not really | describe new phenomenon, but rather.. a new generation | rediscovering 60s. | | History. Rhymes. And all that. | booleandilemma wrote: | _Many young females report joining Draco Malfoy as his | girlfriend. Draco is a fictional character from the Harry Potter | series, characterized as a cowardly bully who tricks and hurts | people to get what he wants, a cunning user of magic._ | | Were people paid to write this paper? | | It sounds like their research was browsing wattpad and reddit for | an afternoon. | s1artibartfast wrote: | Funny, I thought that was one of the more interesting parts of | the paper. | | >It sounds like their research was browsing wattpad and reddit | for an afternoon. | | They explicitly say these are locations of the community in the | paper. I don't think this invalidates anything. When performing | contemporary anthropology, it is pretty common to observe | subjects in their normal environment. | s1artibartfast wrote: | What a fascinating paper! | | Somewhat sad that one of the top fantasies for young women is to | be partnered to a cruel and abusive Draco Malfoy. I'm guessing it | is an extension of bad boy syndrome. | questiondev wrote: | i think it can be healthy. visionaries are people who see the | future using existing constructs, here is a way to look at it, | before you do anything you typically think or envision yourself | doing that action before you do it, the way it works best is | breaking it down into steps instead of staying at the final | image. in all actuality if you write each step down and give | possible ways to accomplish each step and add a date you have | what many planning books call micro goals that lead to the end | goal or overall goal. never let the internet stop you from | dreaming, a lot more is possible if we allow our minds to think | of possible outcomes. | | plus, mostly everyone dreams, even a nightmare is a dream, might | as well think of alternatives to get yourself out of mental | gridlock. | | imagination is where abundance exist because abundance is the | mindset of how we think about what we have in front of us. | scarcity is the limiting of beliefs about the world around us. if | we thought the cave was the only shelter none of us would be here | sipping on lattes inside of a coffee shop scrolling yc | AreYouSirius wrote: | Matrix generation. | bee_rider wrote: | Interesting phenomenon. | | I'm not super well versed on quantum physics, but I'm not sure | that a system that includes travel between universes should be | described as 'rooted in extrapolations of modern cosmology, | quantum theory,[...,],' so much based on fictional systems | lightly inspired by quantum physics. | | Anyway, given the state of the world it isn't that surprising | that people would like to indulge in a bit more daydreaming | nowadays. Especially young adults missing formative early events | (a happy and relatively free first couple years of independence | in college, for example). Perhaps there's an 'alternate universe' | in which we really isolated college campuses and the students | there could have had their Hogwarts. We failed them miserably. | nynx wrote: | This paper is worth reading, the whole reality shifting thing | (and related concepts like tulpamancy) is a very interesting | psychological phenomenon. | mensetmanusman wrote: | Also known as having an imagination. I remember doing this on bus | rides to better understand quake levels. | vsareto wrote: | I'm thinking being able to replay worlds or map geometry like | your brain is rendering it live is more rare and maybe this is | teaching it a bit. No one's ever quizzed me on how many details | (big and small) I could get right though. | Flankk wrote: | Gen Z is using TikTok to teleport to Hogwarts? Is this parody? | Andrew_nenakhov wrote: | Speaking of daydreaming, 2013 wasn't a great year for movies, so | I was out of options when I went to see "The Secret Life of | Walter Mitty" [1], and boy it turned out to be a great one. | | [1]: | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Walter_Mi... | teg4n_ wrote: | This reminds me of when I was in high school, depressed, and | desperately wanting to lucid dream. I understand the appeal. The | blur between "worlds" gets into some wild sci-fi morality | situations though. | smoldesu wrote: | Interesting to see them mention tulpas here. It's always been a | bit of a meme online, but I knew a pretty tenured hypnotist who | was utterly terrified of the things. He'd seen tulpas cause | irreversible psychological damage to the people who adopted them, | where many people would become completely attached to a character | or particular fiction in their head. This could cause them to act | out involuntarily, induce constant paranoia or even completely | alter their perception of reality. He figures the human brain is | simply not meant for multiple inhabitants, and I'm inclined to | agree. Hearing the occasional story of a person who's gotten in | too far with tulpas just makes me sad, particularly because | there's no real easy "fix" for it. Oftentimes, people wall | themselves in to an altered reality and refuse to leave, be it by | their own volition, or even another's. | spats1990 wrote: | What's interesting about this stuff is that it seems to support | interpretation through multiple cognitive frameworks. There | could be a mystical/esoteric explanation for why those people | became so attached to the characters or fictions. Or it could | be that they were already vulnerable to schizophrenic or | depersonalization/derealization-type disorders. | | It's like how you'll sometimes hear/read people say that | tantra/mediation stuff like Kundalini can be dangerous because | it results in an energy imbalance that could potentially be | irreparable and/or lead to lasting damage. | bencollier49 wrote: | Yeah, the various explanations are a bit like geometry vs. | algebra in maths. They're different tools for explaining the | same things. | bencollier49 wrote: | From reading around the subject there seems to be a weird | intersection between the _My Little Pony_ fandom, Tulpas, and | some of the more unusual sexual proclivities. | | I actually know an exorcist from a mainline church; I should | ask him what he makes of it. | bencollier49 wrote: | Interesting how occult concepts like astral travel (reality | shifting) and familiars & daemons (tulpamancy) are getting | recycled without the Victorian baggage. | spats1990 wrote: | i think in the last 5-6 years we've seen in western/anglosphere | culture a growing surge of interest in both occult stuff, like | you say, or occultish New Age stuff (astrology) as well as | renewed interest in the old organised religions among younger | people. at the very least there is a willingness to hold a | "live and let live" attitude toward the spiritual beliefs of | others. | | of course this is just a hunch and other people's anecdata | might say otherwise, but i tend to think it could be a swing of | the pendulum or "backlash" from New Atheist influence in the | discourse in the 2000s and early 2010s. | bencollier49 wrote: | The mystical stuff cycles around about every 25 years, but | comes in from a different direction each time. The last boom | was around the millennium. | | As for the traditional religion, my guess is it's | traditionalism in response to the increase in cultural | warfare we've seen recently. | noah_buddy wrote: | It's funny because those things were couching certain phenomena | (chiefly, being able to imagine things and, perhaps to an | extent, hallucination due to external factors) into terms | compatible with the dominant beliefs of the time (magicks of | all sorts) while this is somewhat couched in the ideas of | rationality and science, at least "reality shifting." | bencollier49 wrote: | The Tulpa stuff has been reinterpreted in materialist terms | too (apparently 80% of people treat it this way, from some | study or other). | | Of course, interpreting these things in just one way is a | category mistake. | wildpeaks wrote: | It seems natural for our generations who grew up with 3D worlds | (from games or online communities) to be able to navigate the | mind's eye version of it, the same way you can mentally walk in a | familiar store in order to plan your route ahead of time. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-11-27 23:00 UTC)