[HN Gopher] US Should Create Strategy by End of '22 to Reduce In...
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       US Should Create Strategy by End of '22 to Reduce Increasing Ocean
       Plastic Waste
        
       Author : infodocket
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2021-12-02 20:11 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.nationalacademies.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.nationalacademies.org)
        
       | mkskm wrote:
       | Proposed initiatives / advocacy orgs
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       | https://www.beyondplastics.org
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       | https://www.plasticfreepresident.org
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       | https://camustlead.org
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       | https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/5845
        
       | makerofspoons wrote:
       | We could stimulate the domestic textile industry to mass produce
       | clothing without plastic fibers while phasing out fabrics that
       | are depositing microplastics in the oceans:
       | https://phys.org/news/2021-01-arctic-microplastic-pollution....
        
       | ConanRus wrote:
       | Didn't find words "China" and "India" in the article, well done.
       | 
       | The whole program should have: #1 make Asia to stop polluting the
       | ocean
        
       | tfehring wrote:
       | Relevant: https://hwfo.substack.com/p/an-illustrated-guide-to-
       | plastic-...
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       | TL;DR: The bulk of plastic entering the oceans comes from China,
       | India, and Southeast Asia; it's still somewhat the US's fault
       | since we dispose of a lot of plastic per capita and send much of
       | our recycled plastic there; accordingly, the author claims,
       | Americans should generally throw plastic in the garbage instead
       | of recycling it.
        
         | sa1 wrote:
         | This is only looking at river waste. The major contributor to
         | plastic waste in the ocean is fishing gear.
         | https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/06/dumped-f...
        
           | ajsnigrutin wrote:
           | Yep... but politicians ban plastic straws and then brag how
           | they're saving the planet, while those guys can do whatever
           | they want.
        
             | sa1 wrote:
             | Plastic pollution is a global issue, but not a tribal
             | issue. There's no us vs those guys.
        
           | tfehring wrote:
           | That's a good point, but " _the_ major contributor " seems
           | like a stretch. That article claims 640,000 tonnes/year of
           | fishing equipment end up in the ocean, which is ~8% of the 8
           | million tonnes/year of overall plastic waste that end up in
           | the ocean according to https://www.theguardian.com/us-
           | news/2019/jul/30/paddling-in-...
        
             | sa1 wrote:
             | This might be true, but it seems commonly described as the
             | major contributor because it's 40-70% of floating plastic
             | and macroplastics. On the other hand, microplastics sink to
             | the ocean bed. https://hillnotes.ca/2020/01/30/ghost-
             | fishing-gear-a-major-s... I'm not sure which has more
             | environmental impact.
        
         | latchkey wrote:
         | I spent 4 years living in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. It is
         | literally in the culture to just throw shit into the ocean,
         | rivers, everywhere. It is painful to watch how bad it is.
        
         | RobertRoberts wrote:
         | Relevant quote from that page:
         | 
         | > And zero plastic thrown in a garbage can in the United States
         | enters the North Pacific Subtropical Gyre.
        
       | dnautics wrote:
       | this is a third derivative.
       | 
       | - strategy by (= / delta-t == 1yr)
       | 
       | - reduce increasing (d/dt^2)
        
       | lettergram wrote:
       | I'm just going to leave this here...
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       | https://www.statista.com/statistics/1270819/ocean-plastic-po...
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       | The U.S. isn't even in the top 10 producers of plastic waste in
       | oceans (it's something like >30th on the list).
       | 
       | It's effectively 80+% from Asian countries.
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       | https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution
        
         | oh_sigh wrote:
         | > Taking a leadership role in preventing plastic pollution
         | would position the U.S. to shape and influence global plastic
         | production, design, and innovation -- and possibly create new
         | economic opportunities, the report says.
        
           | lettergram wrote:
           | The U.S. dictating to the poor backwards nations of the asian
           | pacific will go over well.
           | 
           | More likely, a company setup by the family member of several
           | U.S. politicians will receive funds from the U.S. government
           | to aid in "transitioning" these economies to a post-plastics
           | world. None of which will be effective and largely be like
           | the Clinton Foundation in Haiti.
           | 
           | The reality is that reducing crude oil to gasoline production
           | will remove the ability to produce plastics. As plastics
           | become more expensive, different materials will be utilized.
        
             | BostonEnginerd wrote:
             | I believe that the feedstock for most plastics is natural
             | gas.
        
             | 8note wrote:
             | America is the main military and economic power in the
             | Asian Pacific. Currently the US has the power to dictate
             | such terms, but the countries probably can't actually
             | fulfill them
        
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         | sjtindell wrote:
         | As I understand the United States and others just ship all
         | their plastic to Asia where it is dumped in the ocean so they
         | can claim they are green for whatever consumer advocate.
        
           | nitwit005 wrote:
           | Most of the world signed a treaty in 2019 to stop the flow of
           | trash from wealthy countries (Basel Convention).
           | 
           | But worth noting its firms in the poor countries buying the
           | stuff as scrap to recycle, and tossing or burning the stuff
           | they couldn't recycle.
        
           | howmayiannoyyou wrote:
           | Nope. Most asian nations (China most notably) stopped or
           | greatly reduces such imports about 5 years ago. And, even
           | when these imports were happening, its was for reprocessing,
           | not disposal purposes. Yes, if recycled plastics prices
           | precipitously fell then some importers may have dumped the
           | imports, but that was not generally the case. You may also be
           | confusing plastic waste with electronic scrap which contains
           | plastic waste. Here again, those imports have largely
           | stopped.
        
             | jeromegv wrote:
             | It stopped in China, not in the rest of Asia.
        
             | soperj wrote:
             | They reduced the imports of stuff that was just garbage.
        
           | maxerickson wrote:
           | My county landfill gets paid for the plastic that trucks come
           | and take away (or they put it in the landfill).
           | 
           | Who is supposedly paying to come pick it up, put it on a
           | boat, and so on, instead of just putting it into the
           | landfill?
        
           | JamesBarney wrote:
           | It's specifically recycled material. Stuff that's thrown away
           | makes it into well managed U.S. landfills with no issues.
        
         | spaetzleesser wrote:
         | How about showing some leadership from the "leader of the free
         | world"?
        
         | yodsanklai wrote:
         | > The U.S. isn't even in the top 10 producers of plastic waste
         | in oceans
         | 
         | Does it make it ok for them to throw plastic in oceans?
        
           | mc32 wrote:
           | Go for the low hanging fruit first, then, when you're done
           | there, go for the slim Pickins. Bang for the buck.
        
           | JamesBarney wrote:
           | I didn't read anywhere in OPs comment that it was ok to
           | litter in the US because India produces 50x more waste.
           | 
           | Given we have limited time and resources I believe he is
           | implying that it's easier to reduce Indian waste by 1% than
           | reduce American waste by 50%. So we should probably focus on
           | former.
        
       | gennarro wrote:
       | Can't have high seas fisheries with plastic at this level
       | https://ofr.report/pi/2021-26321/
       | 
       | It's really troubling to see space trash get more concern than
       | ocean trash given our reliance on the oceans (not to downplay the
       | problem of near-earth collisions)
        
       | dinnison wrote:
       | Plastic only becomes waste and ends up in the ocean if it is not
       | collected properly. We're solving this problem at Replenysh.
       | 
       | How we think about circularity: https://replenysh.com/blog/an-
       | opportunity-to-evolve
        
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