[HN Gopher] NASA returns Hubble to full science operations
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       NASA returns Hubble to full science operations
        
       Author : DamnInteresting
       Score  : 120 points
       Date   : 2021-12-07 21:18 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.nasa.gov)
        
       | keyle wrote:
       | That warms my heart somehow, but I thought I had read that that
       | was it for Hubble, like a year ago? Why the change of heart?
       | Anyone got the full story, or did I cross my wires?
        
         | pkaye wrote:
         | There was some equipment failure last year. I think it was
         | later diagnosed as a power control unit that failed.
         | Fortunately there was a backup set they could switch to. Little
         | by little parts are failing with time but they are nursing it
         | along.
        
         | croutonwagon wrote:
         | I think one of the primary payload computers failed but they
         | were able to flip to auxiliary/backup. That was in July though
         | 
         | It's pretty much on borrowed time. I think they spent most of
         | that outage trying to bring the main up and gave up.
         | 
         | Must be fun troubleshooting something at like 400 km orbit.
         | Heck I had to tell a lady she couldn't wfh today because her
         | cell data tethering wasn't up to snuff to hold a connection to
         | our vpn or do much of anything. She was seeing spurts of 10%
         | loss on downstream and 200+ ms latency.
        
           | scottyah wrote:
           | Remembering what you did and what you wanted to do next takes
           | a lot of notes! It's really amazing controlling the drones on
           | Mars, with all the traffic routed through a constellation of
           | satellites, where the rotation even affects the latency.
        
       | skurtcastle wrote:
       | That's awesome to hear.
       | 
       | I'm excited for Dec 22nd when the James Webb launches. Crossing
       | fingers big time.
        
         | savant_penguin wrote:
         | *if
        
         | bryanlarsen wrote:
         | 30 days off terror for it to transit and unfold. Scary times!
        
           | for1nner wrote:
           | Even longer for it to actually power up and start "working."
           | Really excited for it, but feel like something akin to this
           | hubble issue happening with the JW would be disastrous.
        
             | mzkply wrote:
             | It'll be a Starship mission with astronauts to go work on
             | it at L2 in 2023/4 then.
        
             | bduerst wrote:
             | What's the timeline to being fully operational?
        
               | chowells wrote:
               | Roughly 6 months after launch for all systems to cool to
               | operational temperature.
        
           | pippy wrote:
           | NASA could have built two or more as backups, as most of the
           | cost was in R&D it would have been (comparably) cost
           | effective to do so.
        
             | teraflop wrote:
             | If the R&D is done anyway, why not just wait and build a
             | second telescope if the first one fails? I don't see why
             | that would be any more expensive than building a backup
             | ahead of time, and it means if the first one fails due to
             | an undetected design flaw, they have a chance to correct
             | it.
        
         | xattt wrote:
         | I'm looking forward for some of the photo series NASA probably
         | has planned, like a simultaneous observation of the same object
         | with Hubble and Webb.
        
         | echelon wrote:
         | The vibration incident was solved?
         | 
         | This launch is going to be so scary as it represents the
         | scientific promise and investments of a generation.
        
           | wumpus wrote:
           | The fixed fairing has been successfully launched twice.
        
           | kingcharles wrote:
           | Yeah, vibration turned out to be a non-issue, everything is
           | go for launch.
        
       | smingo wrote:
       | Would Hubble be able to resolve Webb? Or vice versa?
        
         | NikolaeVarius wrote:
         | Webb doesn't cover all the capabilities of Hubble. Its a
         | "successor" not a "replacement"
        
           | phinnaeus wrote:
           | "resolve" here means to see, as in, could Hubble take a photo
           | of the JWT.
        
         | wumpus wrote:
         | Webb is at L2, so if it wants to look at Hubble in low Earth
         | orbit, it's going to be pointing at the sun.
        
       | sydthrowaway wrote:
       | Can Hubble and JWST do simultaneous observation to extract more
       | info of an object?
        
         | onetwentythree wrote:
         | Yes, that is being planned for, but I'm not sure if any cycle
         | one proposals involve joint observations.
         | 
         | https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jwst-opportunities-and-policies/...
        
         | wumpus wrote:
         | Sure, they're different telescopes with different instruments
         | and different sensitivities.
        
       | kunai wrote:
       | One of NASA's biggest mistakes wrt the demise of the STS/Shuttle
       | program was not leaving some way lined up to service Hubble in
       | orbit. The current crop of launch vehicles isn't suited to this
       | task, despite us being ten years out from STS-135.
       | 
       | It's proven itself an absolutely invaluable tool for research,
       | but I think the even more impressive mission Hubble has shown
       | itself as irreplaceable for is stimulating the public's mind for
       | science and exploration. There's nothing like seeing photos of
       | the universe in visual-light spectrum and thinking, "what if we
       | went there?"
       | 
       | JWST is amazing and I'm so glad it's finally launching but for
       | that second use case, it trails Hubble.
        
         | duxup wrote:
         | I thought the experience they had servicing Hubble actually
         | meant that they generally didn't want to have satellites that
         | they would have to service due to costs involved.
         | 
         | Maybe with the new options it becomes cheaper/ more viable.
        
         | scottyah wrote:
         | I think JWST will be an amazing replacement as most space
         | photos are doctored with visible light "interpretations" of
         | other wavelengths already and nobody seems to notice/care as
         | they have their minds blown. The process almost even adds to
         | the beauty of them.
        
       | inter_netuser wrote:
       | collecting science?
        
       | Causality1 wrote:
       | The purpose of NASA is not only to explore but inspire. In light
       | of that, I'd be fully supportive of using a Starship launch to
       | bring Hubble home.
        
         | melling wrote:
         | To service and relaunch for the next 50 years?
        
           | NikolaeVarius wrote:
           | Museum
        
           | pkaye wrote:
           | If they could carry a larger payload, we could have a Hubble
           | with a larger primary mirror. Some of the risks/costs of the
           | JWST is all the folding mechanisms to fit the Ariane 5
           | payload enclosure.
        
             | gotstad wrote:
             | That does not strike me as the right direction of
             | progression. We should become better at in-space assembly,
             | not creating larger payload fairing.
        
               | ErikCorry wrote:
               | Why not both?
        
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