[HN Gopher] Masayuki Uemura has died
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Masayuki Uemura has died
Author : the-dude
Score : 338 points
Date : 2021-12-09 14:25 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.thegamer.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.thegamer.com)
| svdree wrote:
| It's a sad moment for gamers. He started working at Sharp, where
| he sold solar cell and light sensor technology, but he's best
| remembered for a long and highly influential run at Nintendo that
| effectively revived the video game industry following the 1983
| crash.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| I think it's just a Japanese person thing, Yuri Kochiyama was
| still organizing and writing well into her 80s.
|
| Absolutely fascinating individual, she should be an essential
| part of American history.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Kochiyama
| themaninthedark wrote:
| With quotes like this, I don't think she will be considered
| essential in America: >Interviewed in 2003, she said, "I
| consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire.
| bennysomething wrote:
| Am I missing something here? "Her" genuine question, did he
| transition!?!
| kergonath wrote:
| Several things to keep in mind:
|
| - you can admire some people you consider enemies;
|
| - you can admire some people and still wish that they fail,
| or consider some of their actions bad;
|
| - you can admire some people that are despised by other
| people in your country;
|
| - America put her in a camp for years during the war;
|
| - people are more complicated than black and white heroes and
| vilains.
|
| Also, you cannot judge someone based on a sentence taken out
| of context.
| stevenwoo wrote:
| The full quote/wikipedia article is a bit more subtle
| indictment of the USA's foreign military interventions
| though the name dropping of bin Laden is a provocation - it
| feels close to paraphrasing Chomsky's the way to stop
| terrorism is to stop participating in terrorism.
| OtomotO wrote:
| Osama bin Laden was an ally of the US. As was Saddam Hussein,
| Gaddafi and many others.
|
| Never forget that.
| dang wrote:
| We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29498499 and marked it
| offtopic.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| America, for the most part, isn't too keen on racial
| separatists who support cop killers. I guess she could be an
| essential part of American history like David Duke is.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| The government sorta did lock her and her family in a camp
| for 3 years. All for the crime of being Japanese.
|
| To ignore her is to ignore one of our most shameful moments.
| I want our country to be better. We shouldn't be like the
| Russians who pretend things like the Holodomor didn't happen.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| Would you support Jews who went around killing German cops
| randomly in 1990, because they were locked in a camp in the
| 1940s?
| themaninthedark wrote:
| I have never heard anyone pretend that Japanese internement
| didn't happen.
|
| But just because something bad happened to you and your
| family, that does not give you the right to attack and hurt
| others.
|
| I see some examples where she was doing a lot of good and
| held great views: Kochiyama also taught English to
| immigrant students and volunteered at soup kitchens and
| homeless shelters in New York City.[13] In Debbie Allen's
| television series Cool Women (2001), Kochiyama stated, "The
| legacy I would like to leave is that people try to build
| bridges and not walls."
|
| But she also worked and associated with violent people and
| had no problem excusing them: Kochiyama and other activists
| demanded the release of four Puerto Rican nationalists
| convicted of attempted murder--Lolita Lebron, Rafael Cancel
| Miranda, Andres Figueroa Cordero, and Irving Flores
| Rodriguez--who in 1954 had opened fire in the House of
| Representatives, injuring five congressmen.
|
| Kochiyama also supported Yu Kikumura, an alleged member of
| the Japanese Red Army, who was arrested in Schiphol Airport
| in Amsterdam in 1986 when he was found carrying a bomb in
| his luggage and subsequently convicted of planning to bomb
| a US Navy recruitment office in the Veteran's
| Administration building.
|
| I don't have time to dig into her entire history and see if
| all those accused of violent acts were justified or not but
| if you praise Osama bin Laden with one breath and then
| claim that "War and weaponry must be abolished" with the
| next, then you are not working for the abolition of
| violence, just want it to be controlled by people you like.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| Most historical figures are very complex.
|
| Ronald Reagan supported apartheid South Africa. He
| accelerated the War on Drugs, ruining the lives of
| millions. He trivialized HIV, failed to take action,
| causing untold levels of suffering.
|
| He's still one of our most important presidents. It's
| important to learn why these things happen. You can even
| celebrate Ronald Reagan, without celebrating the above.
|
| History is not, and has never been a comic book. It's not
| as simple as good vs evil.
| dang wrote:
| Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell. We're trying
| for just the opposite here.
|
| Edit: you unfortunately have a long history of doing this on
| HN. We've had to warn you many times:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29230391 (Nov 2021)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27384626 (June 2021)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23930525 (July 2020)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22030190 (Jan 2020)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21660428 (Nov 2019)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19051626 (Feb 2019)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18799470 (Jan 2019)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15655979 (Nov 2017)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14674597 (July 2017)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14508273 (June 2017)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13742081 (Feb 2017)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10640146 (Nov 2015)
|
| I appreciate that you're not doing this in most of your
| comments but you're still doing it often enough that we need
| you to review the site guidelines and fix this properly. If
| you'd please do so, we'd appreciate it. They're here:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| Sorry, I have a hard time letting a comment I disagree with
| alone, and I will generally match the level of effort that
| the parent comment put in. I could work on my tone, but I
| find it tough when I hear others politely say horrible
| things. I guess I live my internet forum life by the
| standard of the comment I browse past is the comment I
| accept.
|
| No hard feelings if you ban me.
| dang wrote:
| > generally match the level of effort that the parent
| comment put in
|
| Ah, that's the problem. Everyone overestimates how much
| badness the other person is adding and underestimates how
| much they themselves are adding. We all do this-- objects
| in the mirror are closer than they appear, etc. But
| because this bias is so strong and so universal, if you
| gauge by other people's behavior you're going to badly
| miscalculate; and since the other person is probably
| doing the same, this is the way we get a downward spiral.
|
| The solution is to stick to the guidelines regardless of
| what other people are doing. That's not easy, of course,
| but it gets easier with practice, and it's the only way
| to avoid flamewar hell.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| ahoka wrote:
| She looks more like a crazy anarchist.
| PrimeDirective wrote:
| Nintendo Famicon was the first console I ever played, and to this
| day, controller-based sidescrollers are my favorite type of
| games. Chances are, it's because all those hours I put into
| Famicon (Dendy, actually) as a kid. Thank you for all the
| memories!
| ipodopt wrote:
| Absolute legend, it's sad that he is gone. SNES is still my
| favorite platform (I love iso-morphic view points).
|
| Just a few months ago I setup a retopie and did a play through of
| one of my favorite games, Trials of Mana, with a rom patch
| (http://ngplus.net/index.php?/files/file/28-seiken-
| densetsu-3...).
|
| I feel the rom hacking community is still going strong and some
| of you guys might find it interesting. An intro to rom hacking:
| https://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/Introduction_to_Hack...
|
| If you want to bootstrap a s/nes collection to play/hack on in
| memoriam (this may or may not work): 1. Update
| the no-intro rom set. This guy usually post an yearly update:
| https://archive.org/details/no-intro_romsets 2. Update
| the no-intro love pack dats (PC-XML): https://datomatic.no-
| intro.org/index.php?page=download&s=64&op=daily 3.
| [Update and Apply
| patches](https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/)
| 4. Pull https://github.com/andrebrait/1g1r-romset-generator
| 5. Run build.sh to build 1g1r sets #!/bin/bash
| cd 1g1r-romset-generator git pull cd ../
| # Select what systems you want for you base 1g1r romsets
| zips=( "Nintendo - Nintendo Entertainment System
| (20210122-114559) [headered]" "Nintendo - Nintendo
| Entertainment System (20210122-114559)
| [headered_iNES2.0_NRS(2020-09-27)]" "Nintendo -
| Nintendo Entertainment System (20210122-114559) [unheadered]"
| "Nintendo - Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Combined)
| (20201230-192658)"
|
| ) dats=( "Nintendo - Nintendo
| Entertainment System (Parent-Clone) (20210822-055431).dat"
| "Nintendo - Nintendo Entertainment System (Parent-Clone)
| (20210822-055431).dat" "Nintendo - Nintendo
| Entertainment System (Parent-Clone) (20210822-055431).dat"
| "Nintendo - Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Combined)
| (Parent-Clone) (Parent-Clone) (20210119-061911).dat"
|
| ) NOINTRODIR="no-intro_romsets/no-intro romsets/"
| OUTPUTDIR="roms-output/" mkdir -p $OUTPUTDIR for
| i in "${!zips[@]}"; do mkdir -p "$NOINTRODIR${zips[i]}"
| unzip -qq -n -d "$NOINTRODIR${zips[i]}"
| "$NOINTRODIR${zips[i]}.zip" python3 1g1r-romset-
| generator/generate.py \ --no-all \
| --regions=USA,JP,EUR --languages=EN --all-regions \
| --input-dir="$NOINTRODIR${zips[i]}" --output-
| dir="$OUTPUTDIR${zips[i]}" \ --threads=16 \
| --dat="./No-Intro Love Pack (PC XML) (2021-08-22)/${dats[i]}"
| done
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| I loved the chrono trigger rom hack, and Pokemon crystal rom
| hack (Pokemon prism).
| ipodopt wrote:
| Which Chrono Trigger hack?
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| Flames of Eternity https://www.fandomspot.com/chrono-
| trigger-rom-hacks/
| jonny_eh wrote:
| A fascinating talk he gave just two years ago in NYC:
| https://youtu.be/A53gdHXwxHg
|
| And a great written profile of his work:
| https://www.usgamer.net/articles/nes-creator-masayuki-uemura...
| coldacid wrote:
| F
| sanqui wrote:
| It is incredible that Uemura has been giving lectures at foreign
| universities even in his late age, and a member from our local
| video game archivist organization was extraordinarily lucky to
| get a NES signed from him when he was visiting Bratislava.
|
| https://sanqui.net/etc/masayuki_uemura_signed_nes.jpg
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| Is 78 considered old age? Danny Kahneman is 87, grew up in Nazi
| occupied France and still does.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Yes, 78 is considered old age. In fact, the US life
| expectancy at birth is 78.
| Kye wrote:
| Japan's life expectancy is a bit higher.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| yes, 81. i'd say 2-3 years before the average age of
| someone's death constitutes "old age", surprised to see
| this has spawned such a debate.
| laumars wrote:
| Lol I had the same thought. There's times when HN feels a
| little like Monty Python https://youtu.be/xpAvcGcEc0k
| melling wrote:
| Yes, it's 81.5 years for a man and almost 87 for a woman.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life
| _ex...
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| Most of the US is obese and unhealthy as well. If we remove
| child deaths from ancient Roman times it wasn't that
| different not accounting for infant mortality, and in
| Britain for males it's 79.
|
| https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181002-how-long-did-
| anc...
|
| >If one's thirties were a decrepit old age, ancient writers
| and politicians don't seem to have got the message. In the
| early 7th Century BC, the Greek poet Hesiod wrote that a
| man should marry "when you are not much less than 30, and
| not much more". Meanwhile, ancient Rome's 'cursus honorum'
| - the sequence of political offices that an ambitious young
| man would undertake - didn't even allow a young man to
| stand for his first office, that of quaestor, until the age
| of 30 (under Emperor Augustus, this was later lowered to
| 25; Augustus himself died at 75). To be consul, you had to
| be 43 - eight years older than the US's minimum age limit
| of 35 to hold a presidency.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Interesting. So what age would you consider old age and
| on what grounds?
|
| I am confident a random sample of any nation on Earth
| would consider 78 old.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| Ask them what age and they'll tell you what age they
| think a 78 year old _should_ look like (examples like on
| oxygen, can't use legs, obese, completely wrinkly, no
| teeth, had 20 pills they need daily, basically on the
| verge of death).
|
| Ask people how does this person look and they'll often be
| surprised, epigenetic age matters more (obesity raises it
| for example) and when we think of age we don't think
| years as much as "how old they look". There are 50 year
| olds that show accelerated aging and 80 year olds that
| still look younger than their age.
| https://www.odditycentral.com/news/ripped-81-year-old-
| bodybu...
|
| https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/g01016/
|
| I will look at a person and decide how old they look.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Fascinating. Thank you for sharing.
| sunpar wrote:
| Even in Japan life expectancy is 81.9 years for men. 78
| is well within what we consider to be old age for men.
| harles wrote:
| I've always found mean life expectancy an odd metric.
| Median life expectancy seems more useful to answer "how
| long am I expected to live?" and appears to be 3-4 years
| higher in the US.
| nine_k wrote:
| 78 is definitely not young, and various age-related health
| conditions develop rather abruptly with age. While your mind
| might be crystal clear, the rest of the daily life is far
| harder at 78 than say at 48.
| melling wrote:
| It's not young but it's not extreme. The average lifespan
| for a man in Japan, where he lived, is 81.5 years
|
| Many more people are living into their 90's, and even over
| 100.
|
| https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/18826/number-of-
| hundred-y...
|
| Hopefully what we consider to be old changes over time. Dr
| Fauci is a few days from 81, for example.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci
|
| "Old age" is likely one of those things we simply accepted
| and never made much of an effort to address the issues that
| make us old.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| > The average lifespan for a man in Japan, where he
| lived, is 81.5 years
|
| That includes people who died as children, teens, etc. If
| you reach 70, your average lifespan is much higher AFAIK.
| markus_zhang wrote:
| Ah this is sooooooo good...
| markus_zhang wrote:
| Sad to hear about this :( He brought so much joy into the hearts
| of small kids and big kids.
|
| Maybe I'm biased, but I feel that Japanese video game developers
| don't enjoy the long life I think Japanese should enjoy. There
| are other examples. 78 is not bad but still far from good.
| jacquesm wrote:
| I hope to live that long. The average life expectancy for a
| Japanese male is 84, but there is this pandemic going on and it
| has definitely hit the older generation hard.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| My friend at Tokyo university says they keep public windows
| open, cases are low, and it didn't hit Japan hard at all,
| they were used to wearing masks long before, and most people
| isolate naturally anyway.
| Aeolun wrote:
| True, but it is fairly unlikely he passed away from COVID
| unless he got extremely unlucky. There's very few cases in
| Japan right now.
| 999900000999 wrote:
| What a great legacy. We wouldn't have video gaming in any real
| capacity without the NES.
|
| I've largely built my career from gaming , thank you for the
| gifts.
| makz wrote:
| My childhood and many of my fondest memories. Thanks Uemura-san.
| Rooster61 wrote:
| What an absolute giant. The design of the NES made possible the
| games that revived the entire industry we know and love. There's
| no telling what gaming would look like for the past 35 years
| without his work. Godspeed sir.
| benkkey wrote:
| This man's a hero, he will forever be remembered.
| 1cvmask wrote:
| Quite unusual for that era in corporate Japan he switched from
| Sharp to Nintendo. Sarariman of that era were lifers.
| city41 wrote:
| Maybe his connections across companies is what led to the Sharp
| Nintendo TV:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_Nintendo_Television
| ipodopt wrote:
| "When I developed the Famicom, I put all the basic functions that
| were necessary to make it as a gaming device. For the Switch,
| it's inherited all that over the years. All the successes and
| failures of the Famicom are inherited by the next generation of
| consoles and onward."
|
| What did he consider to be the failures?
|
| EDIT: Added the first sentence of the quote.
|
| The way I read the quote is he felt there where fundamental
| designs decisions that have been passed down all the way to the
| Switch. Some of which he considers to be failures.
|
| I imagine he is talking about the hardware/software stack. OS
| seems pretty custom:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch_system_softwar...
| conductr wrote:
| I think the quote isn't meant for such literal interpretation.
| Basically, saying they have all learned from good and bad
| things which puts them to where they are today. It's like one
| of those "I regret nothing because without my failures I
| wouldn't be the person I am today" type quotes.
| ipodopt wrote:
| Yeah, I like that interpretation.
| ipodopt wrote:
| Hardware on the Switch seems
| standard:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch#Hardware
|
| I wonder if his comments mean their Switch OS is emulating
| antiquated calls that have lineage to the original NES
| hardware.
| noobermin wrote:
| There are no "antiquated calls" on a machine which had no os
| or standard library :)
|
| Anyway, the switch not being special technology wise is very
| inline with the nintendo philosophy actually[0]. The NES
| wasn't that special for the time either, having not as that
| great specs of consoles in the late second generation, but it
| was how it was used, the games that came with it that made
| history.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpei_Yokoi#Lateral_Thinki
| ng_...
| monocasa wrote:
| There wasn't any system software on the NES, even to the
| point of no ubiquitous libraries, so it's doubtful.
| [deleted]
| Aeolun wrote:
| Blowing on the cardridge? It didn't work for the Famicon, and
| it has even less effect with the Switch.
| foo_barrio wrote:
| Perhaps the repeated insertions/removals did clear off any
| light oxidation or slightly reposition the contacts?
| conductr wrote:
| I'll never believe it. Blowing was required and technique
| mattered.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| The virtual boy was a failure by any measure, 64DD, the Wii U
| sucked, and the 3DS wasn't very popular compared to the DS, and
| wouldn't have had any success if it didn't have backwards
| compatibility.
| maxsilver wrote:
| The Wii U and 3DS were some of the best consoles Nintendo
| ever made.
|
| I get that they weren't large hits in the general market, I
| get that they were not _financial_ successes.
|
| But for dedicated folks, these consoles represented some of
| the very best design and product packages that Nintendo had
| ever offered. (A good chunk of which was lost in the
| transition to the Switch, like proper Virtual Console
| support, or Nintendo Mii's getting heavy usage, or
| StreetPass).
|
| Yes, they also offered backwards compatibility, but that's
| not "why" they had success -- they were successful as
| products entirely in their own right.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| They weren't "good failures" like Dreamcast. I can't think
| of any game that was great on either off the top of my
| head, but the Dreamcast I can name several exclusives that
| were. A lot of the good games were just remakes, like Devil
| Survivor Overclocked.
| maxsilver wrote:
| > They weren't "good failures" like Dreamcast. I can't
| think of any game that was great on either off the top of
| my head, but the Dreamcast I can name several exclusives
| that were.
|
| Really? The Wii U lineup is like a perfect Dreamcast-like
| example of a "good failure". It was so good, that half of
| the best selling Switch games from it's first two years,
| were just past Wii U exclusive games (or 3DS games),
| ported up to the switch.
|
| Zelda: BotW, Mario Kart 8, Lego City Undercover, Pokken
| Tournament, Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country Tropical
| Freeze, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Hyrule Warriors,
| Super Mario Brothers U, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, Wonderful
| 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Fatal Frame: Maiden
| of the Black Water, Super Mario Maker, and Xenoblade
| Chronicles (1).
|
| All of those are either Wii U / 3DS exclusives ported
| forward, or planned to be exclusives and got last-minute
| ports near the end of development cycle (like Zelda
| BotW).
| scrame wrote:
| 3ds and wii U were marketing issues in that it wasn't clear
| that it was the next version of the system, like nes->snes
| but just a slightly different version of the same thing, like
| DS->DS Lite. It doesn't help that Nintendo rereleases their
| consoles multiple times a generation, or does things like the
| New 3ds which is only a slight improvement over the 3ds
| (extra joystick, slightly improved hardware). But yeah,
| virtual boy was a failure by pretty much any metric.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| N64 wasn't a continuation of SNES and 3DS sounds like a new
| DS, as does the Wii U unless you're stating Xbox one failed
| because it's name is 359 less, and was not an obvious
| continuation of Xbox 360. They went N64, GameCube, Wii
| which don't have any continuity nor does Wii U to switch.
|
| Seems like continuity hurts rather than helps Nintendo.
| Talanes wrote:
| I don't think GP was saying that Nintendo had full
| continuation, just that they assumed people would see Wii
| U and 3DS the same way they saw the SNES. But by the time
| those were released people had just been through multiple
| models of DS and Gameboy Advanced that were just modified
| versions of the same hardware.
| com2kid wrote:
| Wii U was a marketing disaster.
|
| It was a very fun console. It is unfortunate that
| asymmetrical game play wasn't explored more.
|
| It really was the first step towards what the Switch is now.
| Being able to remotely play games anywhere in my house, or
| have someone else watch TV while I played on the Wii U, was
| super cool.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| It was overpriced, the small screen sucked, and it had no
| games, polar opposite of the wii, it was just the DS in
| console form which was forced into using this for every
| game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube_-
| _Game_Boy_Advance_li... like this: https://en.wikipedia.org
| /wiki/Final_Fantasy_Crystal_Chronicl...
| com2kid wrote:
| > It was overpriced, the small screen sucked, and it had
| no games
|
| And $ for $ I had more fun with my Wii U than my Xbox
| One.
|
| Nintendo's Wii U games were full of joy and happiness.
| They are all an absolute delight to play.
| silveira wrote:
| I loved my Wii U. So many features that I still miss today.
| So many great games, I'm glad many of them were ported to
| the Switch.
| the_doctah wrote:
| I wonder if some are even portable. I would love to have
| Windwaker HD on Switch but I remember the touchpad screen
| being pretty integral (and part of why it was a lot
| better than the original)
| darepublic wrote:
| legendary craftsman. rip
| wheelerof4te wrote:
| A loss for an entire generation of people. Visionaries are rare,
| but it's clear that every one of them is way ahead of his/her
| time.
|
| Rest in peace.
| andruc wrote:
| With the passing of Uemura, and Near (aka Byuu) earlier this
| year, the SNES has truly become an artifact of history.
| coldacid wrote:
| Byuu died too? I didn't hear about this!
| pygy_ wrote:
| Byuu/Near committed suicide following a coordinated
| harrasment campaign targeted against them, their family and
| friends, for being openly queer.
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| Yes it was sad, I heard he committed suicide, he sounded like
| a very depressed person who had a kiwi farms thread he had
| previously joked around in, but then threatened to kill
| himself if they didn't give into his demands (they didn't,
| who expects them to?) as only a pretext. Reminds me of
| Mishima. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima
|
| >His biographer, translator John Nathan, suggests that the
| coup attempt was only a pretext for the ritual suicide of
| which Mishima had long dreamed.
| kbelder wrote:
| It's disputed. No real evidence either way, just one post.
| sparky_z wrote:
| https://news.yahoo.com/respected-developer-died-suicide-
| expe...
| Minor49er wrote:
| Yet the death certificate, obituary, etc, have not been
| shown. No statement from any family members, no
| headstone. Just a picture from a friend of this alleged
| urn
|
| https://ibb.co/jw4xC0q
| user-the-name wrote:
| Stop. Just stop. Stop this now. Get away from kiwifarms.
| It is a homicidal cult.
|
| Stop.
|
| Stop now.
| echelon wrote:
| Byuu was bullied into committing suicide by a bunch of
| horrible trolls that wouldn't leave them alone.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27652814
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27657610
| [deleted]
| Minor49er wrote:
| It's not as simple and one-sided as this. Here is the
| response from the owner of Kiwi Farms regarding the matter:
|
| https://kiwifarms.net/threads/my-response-regarding-byuu-
| nea...
| Minor49er wrote:
| From what I remember, he was in Japan when he claimed to have
| committed suicide. Japan publishes data on US citizens who have
| lost their lives in that country, and that year, they reported
| that nobody died. The only "proof" that there was that Byuu
| took his own life is a picture of this strange-looking urn
| https://ibb.co/jw4xC0q
|
| No records, no funeral, nothing
| umvi wrote:
| Are you claiming he faked his own death to escape his
| harassers? It is true it's hard to find concrete evidence of
| his death - the sole source of information is a twitter
| thread from "Hector"[0].
|
| [0] https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137
| GhettoComputers wrote:
| There is no evidence aside from a Twitter image, and
| heresay with no records.
| sparky_z wrote:
| What records would you expect there to be that aren't
| there?
| Minor49er wrote:
| Death records, often called obituaries.
| tremon wrote:
| Obituaries aren't official records, they're media
| statements. The official records are kept in a civil
| registry, which usually isn't open to the public until X
| years have passed (obviously this differs by nation; in
| NL, death records don't become public until after 50
| years).
| modulusshift wrote:
| You seem to have no idea how obituaries work, you usually
| have to _pay_ a newspaper to carry them, they aren 't
| automatic, and if the news is published widely enough in
| the relevant communities why would you bother to pay for
| it? As for government records, vital records are often
| limited to people with an interest, such as family
| members, they aren't usually offered to the public. And
| why would such a person publish that record online? You
| might as well be claiming David Bowie didn't really die,
| I've never seen his death certificate.
| Minor49er wrote:
| Do you know what a death certificate is? Do you realize
| that obituaries are often free and you don't need a
| newspaper to find them?
|
| Also, I don't care about David Bowie. He could have went
| back to Mars for all I care. We're not talking about that
| right now. We're talking about people making a serious
| claim of suicide without any proof
| Minor49er wrote:
| Yes, but not to "escape harassers". It actually sounds like
| Byuu himself was trying to be a harasser. I posted this
| already, but there has been an exchange between Byuu and
| the owner of Kiwi Farms where it shows that Byuu was
| telling the creator to take money in exchange for taking
| down a thread, and if he refused, then Byuu would kill
| himself. It's an extortion tactic with no proof that it
| actually happened
|
| https://kiwifarms.net/threads/my-response-regarding-byuu-
| nea...
| AussieWog93 wrote:
| >the sole source of information is a twitter thread from
| "Hector"[0].
|
| Mate, Marcan is not just some guy called Hector.
|
| He's one of the most respected guys from the homebrew
| scene, and semi-(in)famous in electrical engineering
| circles too!
|
| Not saying the thread is true, but the guy sharing it isn't
| a nobody.
| modulusshift wrote:
| First off, "that year" is _this_ year, so you 're boldly
| claiming there's a document claiming a lack of deaths in a
| whole year that hasn't ended yet.
|
| But even assuming such a document exists, do you have
| evidence that he hadn't naturalized and therefore would have
| given up US citizenship as part of that process?
| Minor49er wrote:
| Can we get an obituary or death certificate? It's been six
| months, yet we don't have any official documentation that
| he died.
| sparky_z wrote:
| I assume by "that year", you mean this year, since Byuu's
| (sigh, "alleged") suicide note was posted in June. But
| frankly, the notion that there was an entire year in which
| not a single foreign citizen died in Japan is absurd on it's
| face. Surely you can point me to that press release, and
| maybe some news coverage of that statistical miracle.
|
| There's also a statement given to USA Today by their employer
| confirming their death, including their full name (previously
| not public), and a new photograph of them. I suppose that was
| part of the con, or hell, maybe USA Today is in on the
| conspiracy.
|
| https://news.yahoo.com/respected-developer-died-suicide-
| expe...
|
| The things some people are willing to believe in order to
| absolve their own sense of guilt...
| Minor49er wrote:
| > since Byuu died in June
|
| Sorry, I'm not going to respond to you until you prove that
| this actually happened. You're the one making the claim
| that Byuu killed himself, but have not provided evidence.
| Anyone can post a note on Twitter and then stay offline.
|
| Edit: If you're going to downvote me, why not post some
| proof to discredit my assertions?
| sparky_z wrote:
| OK, I've updated that sentence to be a little more
| neutral. Now I'm interested to to hear your response to
| the rest of what I wrote.
|
| What is the Japanese government agency that provides
| reports about the number of foreign nations who die on
| Japanese soil, and where is the report from the time
| period including late June 2021, showing that nobody
| died. And for comparison, where can I read a sample
| report from a time period in which the number of deaths
| exceeded zero?
|
| Also, in your scenario, did Byuu completely invent the
| company Datapower Development for the sake of
| appearances, or did they merely impersonate the founder,
| Wayne Becket, when talking to a reporter? Or is this a
| multi-person conspiracy?
| ndiddy wrote:
| > What is the Japanese government agency that provides
| reports about the number of foreign nations who die on
| Japanese soil, and where is the report from the time
| period including late June 2021, showing that nobody
| died. And for comparison, where can I read a sample
| report from a time period in which the number of deaths
| exceeded zero?
|
| I found this site, it's operated by the US government
| rather than the Japanese government. If you look for US
| citizens who died in Japan in June 2021, it does in fact
| show that there were no deaths.
|
| https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-
| tra...
|
| Note that the site only has statistics up to June 2021
| and is only updated every 6 months. I thought that maybe
| the statistics were only updated up to the beginning of
| June but I tried another country (Mexico) and there was a
| death listed on June 28 so it seems like they're up to
| the end of June.
| Minor49er wrote:
| The "employer's quote" is just the CNN writer summarizing
| what the employer said as a confirmation that Byuu is
| dead. We don't know what any of the context was or what
| was actually said. If all you have is a flimsy non-quote
| for your proof, then I'm sorry, but you are gullible.
| sparky_z wrote:
| The article includes a direct quote from Beckett.
|
| "I'm very very angry - furious with Kiwi Farms," Beckett
| told USA TODAY. "I just want them to appreciate the
| gravity of what they've done. They certainly contributed
| to (Ginder's) death. ... They were quite precious to us.
| How do you replace the irreplaceable?"
| Minor49er wrote:
| Where's the death certificate?
| RealityVoid wrote:
| This comment is hilarious, considering context.
| modulusshift wrote:
| If _you 're_ going to base your entire argument on a
| document you haven't produced, believing you would also
| make me gullible.
| Minor49er wrote:
| The claim was originally that a man killed himself for
| harassment. We don't have proof of either the fact that
| he killed himself, or that he was even harassed. Yet the
| burden is on people who doubt this? They haven't been
| shown merely hearsay, yet they're expected to believe
| that it's true? Come on now.
| modulusshift wrote:
| Cool, now you're just denying reality, the activities of
| those harassers towards them and other people are public
| record, so I rest my case.
| datenarsch wrote:
| _denying reality_ because he is asking for proof? wow.
| Minor49er wrote:
| If you can explain any part of this statement and how any
| of it proves that Byuu is dead, it would be appreciated
| ipodopt wrote:
| On June 27, 2021, Near posted a suicidal note on Twitter,
| disclosing the extent of the harassment they had faced from
| the website Kiwi Farms. Hector Martin Cantero later announced
| he had confirmed Near's death with the police. One month
| later, their death was confirmed by their employer to USA
| Today.[12] Near was non-binary.[13][14][15][12]
|
| I found this on wiki:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higan_(emulator).
|
| I believe the "he faked his death" theory was started by
| those same people on Kiwi Farms:
| https://kiwifarms.net/search/11124242/?q=byuu&o=relevance
| Minor49er wrote:
| Between Hector and the CNN article, we have two statements
| that Byuu is dead. Not even quotes or anything. And
| certainly no documentation. Obituaries are public
| information, so those should be easily obtained. Somehow,
| in nearly half a year, nobody has obtained any of those.
| andruc wrote:
| For someone who wanted to be left alone, it's very
| strange to me how their death is under so much scrutiny.
|
| Dead or alive, Near is gone. Let them rest.
| Minor49er wrote:
| Claims of suicide are serious. Byuu has a lot of fans,
| and they have been reacting badly to this false news. It
| shouldn't be that strange. But in either case, I agree:
| we should let him be.
| sparky_z wrote:
| I assume you're referring to the USA Today article, which
| did, in fact, include a quote.
|
| You do realize that obituaries don't just happen? Your
| loved ones (or your estate, etc) have to pay the
| newspaper to run them. If they don't, then nothing
| happens. There's no government agency out there making
| sure everybody gets an obituary.
|
| Here's my question to you. Show me an example of the
| "documentation" you want for somebody, anybody, else. If
| it's public information that's so easy to find, I'm sure
| you'll have no trouble at all pointing to an example.
| After all, people die in Japan everyday.
| Minor49er wrote:
| How about _you_ show _me_ the documentation since you 're
| claiming that he's dead. All we have is his friend
| claiming that he's been cremated, but only has a picture
| of an alleged urn and a couple of claims of death with
| little context. No family members have come forward. No
| anything, really. It's rather macabre to argue this hard
| with so little evidence when you should be happy that
| Byuu is still alive somewhere, living his life.
| sparky_z wrote:
| Occam's Razor, dude. On the one hand, a non-binary person
| killed themselves after being bullied, which is
| regrettably more common than it should be. On the other
| hand, you have an (at least) 3-person conspiracy to fake
| Byuu's death, not to mention get them a new legal
| identity since they've already publicly declared "David
| Ginder" to be dead.
|
| I've presented corroborating evidence, in the form of the
| newspaper article. I'll admit it's not absolutely
| ironclad, but it would not be trivial to fake. Under the
| circumstances, it's more "official" evidence than I would
| expect from any other death of an American national
| living in Japan, all else being equal.
|
| Meanwhile, in this thread, you've made several
| falsifiable claims that haven't been borne out. Starting
| with the claim that there is affirmative Japanese
| documentation that no Americans died in Japan during the
| relevant time period. Still waiting for you to back that
| one up. Then you claimed that the journalist didn't
| provide an official quote from Byuu's employer, which
| they clearly did. Now you're gone from claiming that we
| don't have sufficient evidence one way or the other to
| saying I should "be happy that Byuu is still alive".
| Where's your documentation for that claim?
|
| You seem very invested in convincing other people on the
| internet that Byuu faked their death. I'm pretty sure
| that if I were able to produce a death certificate, that
| you would just move the goalposts again and say that
| there's no proof that David Ginder was really Byuu. (Or
| would you commit now to accepting a death certificate for
| David Ginder as proof that Byuu was cyberbullied into
| killing themselves?)
| user-the-name wrote:
| > I believe the "he faked his death" theory was started by
| those same people on Kiwi Farms:
|
| It absolutely, 100% is. Kiwifarms is absolutely vile, and
| will spread any lie that serves their purpose and masks how
| despicable they are.
|
| Trust absolutely nothing that comes out of Kiwifarms.
| RealityVoid wrote:
| Really naive question here, but... what _is_ their
| purpose? Do they have some sort of binding ideology?
|
| LE: I just... googled them and looked at the wiki. What
| the fuck? This is just... way worse than I imagined, at
| first glance. They seem to celebrate their targets
| commiting suicide and their whole goal is harassing
| people. In this, i think they are waaay worse than
| politically motivated harrassers, at least the
| politically motivated ones want some sort of end result
| that is, in their twisted view, better than the status
| quo. Kiwifarmers seem to just want to destroy people.
| What the fuck.
| user-the-name wrote:
| It is absolutely sick. And they build up these huge
| elaborate structures of lies to convince themselves that
| actually, they are the good guys and whoever they are
| going after deserves it. They don't care _at all_ about
| truth when doing this, they will just latch onto anything
| and twist it to justify what they are doing.
|
| It's basically a shared mental illness enabled through
| the internet. Absolutely terrifying.
| triska wrote:
| Thank you so much Uemura-san for these great consoles!
|
| I often think about how great it was to play these games, the
| amount of effort and care that went into them, and the sense of
| fairness and pure joy that you bought a game and could truly
| experience it! There was a magic and sincerity in these consoles
| that is buried under layers of ads, in-game purchases, tracking,
| updates etc. in more recent devices and games.
|
| The NES and SNES still feel like the greatest consoles that ever
| existed. Thank you again!
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