[HN Gopher] Pooping hippos create 'community guts' in African ponds
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       Pooping hippos create 'community guts' in African ponds
        
       Author : rbanffy
       Score  : 66 points
       Date   : 2021-12-10 12:56 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | aaron695 wrote:
       | This is dumb
       | 
       | When giving cattle Leuceana rumen inoculum you only give it to
       | 10% of the herd because the rest will share it at drinking
       | locations. This was first found naturally in Hawaii in goats but
       | now has been brought to other locations for cattle [1]
       | 
       | Similarity when using camels for a different rumen inoculum for
       | cattle not for sale yet it's also at drinking locations the camel
       | shares it to the cattle.
       | 
       | We know this is true in cattle, because this is done in business
       | after multiple studies.
       | 
       | Is this claiming it's fecal matter based? Ok, perhaps that's not
       | dumb, I assumed it was shared from the mouth, but perhaps I've
       | never thought it was fecal matter because that's icky. Fecal
       | matter will get in drinking troughs.
       | 
       | Is this what it's saying, fecal not saliva? Hippos, goats, camels
       | and cows all chew their cud, so they have gut bacteria in their
       | mouths.
       | 
       | [1] https://csiropedia.csiro.au/leucaena-toxicity-solution/
        
       | DonHopkins wrote:
       | Flanders and Swan's Hippopotamus Song:
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpDF3Py7r8
       | 
       | >Mud, mud, glorious mud, nothing quite like it for cooling the
       | blood.
        
       | rectang wrote:
       | > _If swallowed by other hippos, the bacteria may possibly aid
       | digestion and disease resistance._
       | 
       | Presumably it also aids in the spread of hippo-hosted parasites?
       | 
       | And yet apparently that cost doesn't outweigh the benefits of
       | this behavior.
        
         | londons_explore wrote:
         | Lots of behaviours of mammals seem to assist the propagation of
         | parasites. For example sneezing seems to have very little
         | biological need, yet is incredibly good at distribution of
         | airborne pathogens.
         | 
         | The sneeze reflex is complex, and clearly not encoded in the
         | very small and simple viruses that trigger it.
         | 
         | I have a hypothesis that many undiscovered pathogens in fact
         | have a positive impact on survival rates of their host, which
         | is why behaviours that deliberately spread (some) pathogens are
         | so common.
        
           | heavyset_go wrote:
           | A sneeze is a like a cough in that its a mechanical way to
           | expel blockage and foreign bodies from nasal mucous membranes
           | that happen to be great environments for pathogens to grow.
        
           | culi wrote:
           | In general parasites that kill their hosts are failures.
           | That's why every single human pandemic has come from zoonotic
           | parasites. It's parasites that are not adapted to humans and
           | accidentally kill them. Generally, given enough time, they
           | would eventually adapt and the strains that are the least
           | harmful (sometimes even most beneficial) would win out as
           | their hosts would do better and allow the parasites to spread
           | more
           | 
           | This happened in South America with a cholera outbreak. In
           | countries with good sanitation, strains that made their hosts
           | sicker ended up dying out because people had to stay indoors
           | more. So the strains that were less sever allowed people to
           | go out and interact socially and therefore spread the cholera
           | further.
           | 
           | Arguably the same thing might be happening with the Omicron
           | variant which early data suggests is much much milder than
           | previous variants
        
         | kadoban wrote:
         | The hippo isn't the only thing involved here though, the
         | parasites and bacteria are too. So it may not be strictly best
         | for the hippo, it may be best for something else that is able
         | to influence the hippo.
        
         | Robotbeat wrote:
         | It may mean development of pathogens that that hippo clan is
         | resistant to but which rival hippo clans, or perhaps rival
         | species, are not. Like "Guns, Germs, and Steel" but for hippos.
        
       | 1cvmask wrote:
       | Humans display similar outcomes in the Ganges river. But it is
       | dangerous for outside tourists for sure and it seems the locals
       | are immune or inoculated to all the e. coli bacili in the river.
       | The humans there believe the river to be purifying the soul and
       | spirit.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganges
       | 
       | https://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/fatal-bacteria-like-e-...
        
         | sjtindell wrote:
         | When I visited Varanasi there were literally bodies and ashes
         | being put in the river right upstream from thousands of people
         | bathing, drinking, playing, and worshipping. Wild.
        
       | xchaotic wrote:
       | just don't tell Gwyneth Paltrow
       | (https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/gwyneth-paltr...)
        
       | silexia wrote:
       | Fecal transplants in humans are purported to have a myriad of
       | health benefits. I wonder if the clean water push may actually be
       | harmful in some ways as people lose some diverse, healthy
       | bacteria in our guts?
        
         | culi wrote:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis
         | 
         | In my native country there's a joke/saying that says that kids
         | who ate their own shit as babies have good luck. So if someone
         | tells you you have good luck, their making a joke about you
         | being a shiteater lol.
         | 
         | I've always wondered if this might be rooted in the large
         | number of observed health benefits associated with early
         | childhood exposure to diverse microbiomes
        
         | kadoban wrote:
         | As far as I know fecal transplants are only known to be
         | beneficial in some cases, presumably when there is something
         | seriously wrong with the recipient's gut biome. It doesn't seem
         | clear to me that clean water is bad or fecal transplants are
         | generally helpful.
         | 
         | Keep in mind that lack of clean water is a _huge_ killer. The
         | benefits would have to be ridiculous for it to be worth it.
        
           | ng12 wrote:
           | Some chronic gastro issues like IBS and Crohn's are virtually
           | unheard of in developing countries. There's a theory that
           | this because people in developed countries have
           | underdeveloped immune systems from underexposure to foodborne
           | bacteria/viruses.
           | 
           | Net-net clean water is definitely more important but there's
           | still some drawbacks.
        
       | dsizzle wrote:
       | I'm surprised an article on hippo poop altering the local
       | environment doesn't mention the unique (and disgusting!) way that
       | hippos poop: by spraying it everywhere propeller-style with their
       | tails! The usual explanation for that is that it's to mark their
       | territory, but I wonder if this offers a more cooperative
       | explanation? (I would be skeptical of that explanation TBC.)
        
         | Thiez wrote:
         | It may be disgusting, but it makes for a great effect when
         | played in reverse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SSnQBtaq4
         | :-)
        
           | hawk_ wrote:
           | what's with the blurring in that video?
        
             | junon wrote:
             | To prevent it from being flagged as for mature audiences
             | and potentially getting a strike on the channel. Showing
             | fecal matter in high, up-close detail would mark it as a
             | "V" rating (violence/disturbing)[0]:
             | 
             | > Examples include real or dramatized medical footage, or
             | depictions of disgusting or scary content in a horror or
             | fantasy context.
             | 
             | [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/146399
        
               | chongli wrote:
               | But this is not a horror or fantasy context, it's an
               | educational context. Am I missing something?
        
               | junon wrote:
               | Youtube doesn't care about that. At least, content
               | creators don't generally take that chance. There is very
               | little recourse if Youtube decides your content violates
               | their rules.
               | 
               | That was from the "mild" section, too. Looking at the
               | more extreme bullet point for the same rating, there's
               | 
               | > It may also include pervasive imagery or situations
               | that are disturbing or repulsive to the average viewer.
               | 
               | Which, given that the entire video is about literal
               | buttholes and feces, probably fits to some degree.
        
           | 1cvmask wrote:
           | That was so funny and clever.
        
         | samcheng wrote:
         | It's a spectacular experience if you're lucky enough to see it
         | at the zoo!
        
           | jonsen wrote:
           | Out of luck if you wear glasses.
        
         | setgree wrote:
         | This comes up in the movie Okja but I didn't know it was based
         | on a real thing
        
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