[HN Gopher] I started a paper website business
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       I started a paper website business
        
       Author : tinyprojects
       Score  : 972 points
       Date   : 2021-12-14 12:17 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | georgecmu wrote:
       | This is really cool. Use of GPT-3 to augment OCR is an amazing
       | (and, retrospectively, obvious) insight and a great immediate use
       | case for these language models.
       | 
       | I wish Remarkable took this idea -- they really oversold their
       | OCR capabilities[1]. It works great in their support and promo
       | videos, but I found the actual performance to be absolutely
       | terrible.
       | 
       | [1] https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-
       | us/articles/36000266143...
        
         | visarga wrote:
         | It's an old idea, using a language model on top of character
         | level OCR. Works well for general text but doesn't solve random
         | sequences of digits and letters. So you can't use it to correct
         | your invoices where you have lots of out-of-dictionary tokens.
        
           | einpoklum wrote:
           | > using a language model on top of character level OCR
           | 
           | But if you know you're going to use a language model after
           | the OCR, then you don't OCR to a single character, but rather
           | to a distribution of character similarity (e.g. the 90% least
           | similar or clipping at a certain similarity threshold). Then
           | the language model should have more to work with (although
           | TBH its work becomes more complicated).
        
           | georgecmu wrote:
           | If a dictionary satisfies your definition of a language
           | model, yes, with predictably poor results[1]. If I understand
           | correctly, Google Books approach[2] represented a major
           | improvement in accuracy of automated OCR (and this is for
           | _printed_ text!), but I would venture to say that
           | implementing a language model like this would be far beyond
           | the scope of a  'tiny project'.
           | 
           | [1] https://tesseract-
           | ocr.github.io/docs/Limits_on_the_Applicati...
           | 
           | [2] https://tesseract-
           | ocr.github.io/docs/Improving_Book_OCR_by_A...
        
           | bloak wrote:
           | I've always found it somehow ironic that a human can
           | correctly recognise printed characters even if parts of them
           | are missing and the word is misspelt or in a language the
           | human does not know at all, but computers have to resort to
           | language models because an exact comparison of part of the
           | image with other parts of the image (where the same letter is
           | printed in the same font) for some reason is not feasible?
        
             | throwawayboise wrote:
             | Brains do patten recognition much better than computers
             | (albeit slower)
        
               | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
               | For now.
        
         | twic wrote:
         | What could possibly go wrong?
         | https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-workcentres...
        
         | Swenrekcah wrote:
         | I actually just now bought their subscription with the
         | particular idea to use it with my reMarkable.
         | 
         | Then I only now realised I don't actually want my notes public,
         | I hope there is some form of access control built into this! :D
        
           | ineedasername wrote:
           | _some form of access control built into this!_
           | 
           | It would also be great if you could delete a page by taking a
           | picture of the notebook entry completely scribbled out, or a
           | video of tossing it into the fire. We need a product roadmap
           | for this!
        
         | kragen wrote:
         | This is cool, but what's GPT-3's pricing model and roadmap?
        
           | appwiz wrote:
           | Pricing is at https://openai.com/api/pricing/
        
       | codebook wrote:
       | I like write on paper. I have written journals for 14 years,
       | which now fill one section of my bookshelves.
       | 
       | This year I switched from fountain pens and clairfontaine notbook
       | to E-ink tablet, Supernote A5x.
       | 
       | the main purpose is to keep the record in digital formats, And so
       | far I am satisfied. The OCR sucks, though. I hope Supernote may
       | adopt the GPT-3.
        
       | aerovistae wrote:
       | A lot of this seems manageable to me - like I could imagine
       | myself being able to build it - but I have no idea how the author
       | handled the domain names part and hosting all these websites. How
       | did you just "throw together" a registrar and a hosting service?
       | Seems like they built heroku and namecheap as side facets to
       | their "tiny project." I must be missing something.
        
       | Graffur wrote:
       | Why isn't this marked as a Show HN?
       | 
       | Also this seems like a lot of effort for 4k a year. Of course,
       | hopefully you get some more subscribers to make it worth while.
        
         | folli wrote:
         | > this seems like a lot of effort for 4k a year
         | 
         | Is this Hacker News or Get Rich Quick News?
        
       | thinkski wrote:
       | Feature idea: bundle a webring, so when viewing one paper website
       | can get connected to others.
        
         | mbildner wrote:
         | Can you clarify/ expand on this idea?
        
           | nzach wrote:
           | I think GP was talking about this:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webring
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | anonymouse008 wrote:
       | Incredibly cool! This should invite a whole new type of blogger
       | to the internet - well done!
       | 
       | Curious - I'm looking at your other projects as well and the
       | design is quite good. Are you using a firm for design, or do you
       | have any front end frameworks to recommend? For some reason
       | design consistency the way you have it is extremely hard for me.
        
       | cableshaft wrote:
       | So I diligently kept a pen and paper journal about my game
       | designs for three years (wrote about 100,000+ words on paper).
       | Switched to digital for a year, wrote 120,000 words just in 2019
       | (starting every morning sitting at a Starbucks and writing it
       | helped), switched back, then switched back again, doing less and
       | less words each year (for 2021 I'm at like 15,000 words, so
       | pathetic, it's only like 12 entries total, need to get back into
       | it).
       | 
       | But for the pen and paper I was manually transcribing it to
       | digital (and still only transcribed about half of it). I didn't
       | know OCR had gotten that good (and still suspect my writing isn't
       | clean enough for great OCR).
       | 
       | But maybe I should give this a try, might be enough to get me
       | back in the habit. Also trying to avoid doing as much typing
       | lately (because of some arthritic-like pain in the fingers on one
       | hand, although it's my writing hand :/)
        
         | cableshaft wrote:
         | So this got me trying out various things for dictation and
         | transcription, as that would mean I wouldn't have to type quite
         | as much.
         | 
         | I tried using Windows Speech Recognition, and it's
         | unfortunately seems to be pretty garbage. Tons of mistakes I
         | had to manually correct, couldn't say too much at all without
         | it being so garbled I didn't remember what I really said to
         | correct it manually.
         | 
         | But then I found out about built-in Apple Dictation on Macbook,
         | which sends it to Siri, and I tried reading some old journal
         | entries, and it's actually pretty darn good! I might be able to
         | get through transcribing my other notes using it with minimal
         | corrections. Just need to make sure you state punctuation, or
         | else it doesn't really put any into it.
         | 
         | Still didn't seem that great for programming code though. Would
         | be cool if I could find something decent for that.
        
           | ineedasername wrote:
           | _Windows Speech Recognition, and it 's unfortunately seems to
           | be pretty garbage_
           | 
           | Dragon Naturally Speaking (a paid product) is pretty good at
           | normal dictation. My workplace bought me a copy when I was
           | recovering from wrist surgery and it wasn't bad, especially
           | since I could still use one hand. I've seen people mention
           | using it for programming, with a bit of difficulty and a
           | learning curve. But you can create your own custom commands,
           | which is pretty much required if with keywords in a language
           | that don't have a dictionary entry.
        
         | atlantic wrote:
         | I occasionally suffer from arthritis in my right hand. I've
         | found that regular use of Baoding balls keeps it at bay.
        
         | artificial wrote:
         | Bummer with the hand! Have you taken any supplements or do any
         | exercises? Not sure if it's an RSI but there's hope out there!
        
         | bserge wrote:
         | Google's OCR (as found in Lens, Docs and whatever) is insanely
         | good. At least that was my impression based on my own notes (my
         | writing is horrible and I often add very small side notes).
         | 
         | Oh yeah, camera quality makes a big difference.
        
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       | TurkishPoptart wrote:
       | How do the domains work for this? Are they automatically created?
        
       | zepearl wrote:
       | Excellent idea/project and result, and interesting&funny to read.
       | And I loved your second-last sentence :D
        
       | Gtex555 wrote:
       | Whitelisting this website on my Adblock cause you opened with a
       | TL:DR.
        
       | arbuge wrote:
       | It's a wonderful project. There's something romantic about it,
       | for sure.
       | 
       | And if I could plug my own project, you could also do it by just
       | sending emails: https://publicemails.com.
        
         | kroltan wrote:
         | Ironically, it seems like half of the emails there are just
         | spam.
        
           | arbuge wrote:
           | It's a free service right now. I'm thinking converting it to
           | a paid one like the one in the article might solve this
           | problem.
        
             | kroltan wrote:
             | To be clear I did not mean it as a dig on your service!
             | It's a really cool idea, sorry for not saying it before. It
             | was just a perfect irony.
             | 
             | You could also do some heuristics like not accepting emails
             | with excessive HTML. Though I'm not sure how much it'd
             | work, since you already require confirmation so presumably
             | the spammers actually have someone authorizing the
             | publication. (I didn't test your flow since I have nothing
             | that warrants posting to say)
        
         | robertlagrant wrote:
         | Neat idea :)
        
       | irae wrote:
       | That is not the first time I see one of your stories and it
       | always brings me a smile to see your new ideas and how implement
       | them.
       | 
       | It also amazes me how some countries make it so easy to open a
       | business. Doing so in Brazil would be a legal nightmare. Your
       | projects are super inspiring and I always have a mind to leave my
       | job and start doing the same. I should probably move to the US or
       | Canada first, otherwise it might not be possible for me.
        
         | TekMol wrote:
         | Why would it be a legal nightmare in Brazil?
        
           | irae wrote:
           | Just for starters, every company is a liability for you as a
           | person. Your "equivalent of credit score" will be forever
           | impacted by each legal entity you start.
           | 
           | A company in Brazil needs to fit into categories. So if you
           | have an e-commerce company that sells food, you can't use the
           | same entity to provide a service, for example, the email
           | provider with emojis the original poster did previously. You
           | need a new legal entity for that.
           | 
           | If you have one of the companies not pay by itself, closing
           | it is a nightmare. I have a company that is closed, not
           | debts, not a single problem, for 15 years already inactive.
           | That company is considered a liability for my current company
           | and me as a person. Once you have 3 companies in your name,
           | you start having trouble in Brazil, as you fall into "risk"
           | territory for taking credit, opening accounts, renting
           | offices or apartments, etc. And if one company wants to
           | receive payment in foreign currency, you also have to
           | generate quarterly financial reports, and all sorts of
           | bureaucracy. Each step of the way you find new problems.
           | 
           | The rules are so extensive and so hard to navigate that you
           | can't be the only person working on that. If you want to be
           | like the original poster, you need an accountant that will
           | charge you per company a fair amount of money, and it will
           | still give you a lot of work to communicate with your
           | accountant about each of the issues.
           | 
           | Yes, it is OK for someone that was always an employee to open
           | a restaurant and have a living from that afterwards.
           | Specially since it is a well stablished business category.
           | But serially opening companies in Brazil is not a good time
           | at all.
           | 
           | Disclaimer: I am not a professional in this area, I am a
           | software engineer and I do have 2 companies in Brazil, one
           | operating and one closed. Most of my knowledge is either
           | self-taught or learning through my business accountant.
        
         | forinti wrote:
         | It's not hard at all to open a business in Brazil, unless you
         | work with things that require safety inspections (food, health,
         | chemicals, etc).
         | 
         | Closing a business is a bit of a bother, but it is mostly a
         | question of waiting.
        
           | irae wrote:
           | No it is not. You might find it simple, if you don't compare
           | to places that are easier.
           | 
           | First you need to file all the paperwork. Then you wait. Once
           | you get approvals, you can't do anything without a bank
           | account, and opening the bank account is a lot of trouble
           | too, because they want to triple check everything.
           | 
           | From zero to operational is a long way, and with lots of
           | legal liability along the way. I have a company closed for 15
           | years that still counts as a liability to me when I try to do
           | anything, like renting an apartment.
           | 
           | You might be right in "opening" paperwork only being kinda
           | OK. But you certainly can't do it like the original poster,
           | that codes for a week or two, opens a new business and move
           | on to new projects in series. (Yeah, not every project of his
           | is a new company, but IIRC the larger ones become new
           | companies).
        
       | bicx wrote:
       | This is the kind of project that keeps me inspired. Well done!
        
       | phantom_oracle wrote:
       | I like this idea for the very simple fact that I now know its
       | plausible to write blog content with a pen and paper and then
       | some GPT-3 AI will scan those words and make it into digital text
       | for me.
       | 
       | Sparing my hands from using a keyboard!
       | 
       | Brilliant idea!
        
       | fourtrees wrote:
       | Aw man, _almost_ did this myself a few months ago when I was down
       | with COVID. You make me reall want to revisit the idea! Grats on
       | your success.
        
       | didip wrote:
       | When Pg told people to build a business that doesn't scale, he
       | meant this.
        
         | rkangel wrote:
         | PG did NOT tell people to build businesses that don't scale. He
         | told people to OPERATE businesses in ways that don't scale.
         | That is of course true for this business - the overall model
         | scales extremely well, but obviously what they're doing at the
         | moment isn't scaleable. It _is_ however an excellent proof of
         | concept of the business model.
        
         | chinathrow wrote:
         | Well, this business scales easily, what am I missing?
        
           | thepete2 wrote:
           | I think the point is that him sending out notebooks (he only
           | has 100 of) doesn't scale.
        
             | chinathrow wrote:
             | Ordering from an established supplier connection (in China)
             | scales.
        
             | jethro_tell wrote:
             | I . . . Bet he could buy more . . .
        
             | tester756 wrote:
             | just wait 2 decades and maybe he'll be top1 online shop
        
       | swlkr wrote:
       | This is really cool. The idea to separate the writing part from
       | the computer entirely (not just the internet) is genius. Also,
       | GPT3 helps out a bit there too.
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | The OCR coupled with GPT3 worked much better than I would have
         | guessed it would. I wonder how much of that is on the device
         | and how much is in the cloud?
        
       | nathanfig wrote:
       | Inspiring
        
       | thepete2 wrote:
       | Out of curiosity: Is the first OCR example really the best you
       | can find? Is there no open source solution that outputs good
       | results for handwritten notes?
        
         | foxhop wrote:
         | There are open source "computer vision" libraries which work
         | really well, but, also there is a file on your filesystem with
         | all the words, so you could pass over the OCR'd text to fix
         | "typos".
         | 
         | Paper website will likely be cloned if it works.
        
           | gwern wrote:
           | If you're referring to /usr/share/dict/words, no, you can't
           | just pass over it to fix typos - it doesn't even have the
           | proper noun 'Bel-Air' in it!
        
       | rexreed wrote:
       | How does this GPT-3 based correction system work on unique names
       | (last names) or on numbers or on things that can't be learned
       | from an Internet corpus?
        
         | distrill wrote:
         | Likely not great, if it hasn't seen it before. You could fine
         | tune it if you had large amounts of data that sat outside of
         | the internet corpus, but it doesn't sound like that's happening
         | here.
        
       | ricardobayes wrote:
       | I love this, for the simple fact it's one step closer for me to
       | be a programmer without needing to sit at a computer or even use
       | one. It's very far fetched right now, but I would love that.
        
         | donio wrote:
         | We've had that before (mainframes, punch cards), it's not that
         | great.
        
       | allie1 wrote:
       | There's a "dunder mifflin" joke somewhere in here
        
         | dgritsko wrote:
         | It's actually in the post itself, if you read it!
        
       | twobitshifter wrote:
       | It would be great to see Gpt-3 taken further than this so there's
       | less need to mess with the layout afterwards. Maybe you describe
       | a sketch and Gpt-3 draws you their best bike riding avocado? Or
       | you add something that says "photos from todays trip" and it
       | spins up the album roll. This would detract from the simplicity
       | and may not make the product any more successful- but it would be
       | very cool.
        
       | throwaway47292 wrote:
       | next step, self hosted paper website on a pi zero :) send them
       | the notebook and the pizero, make dyndns ipv6 only thing and let
       | people selfhost
       | 
       | nice project!
        
       | helipad wrote:
       | Fun idea. I have a memory a website from years ago that was
       | photos of writing on a whiteboard or fridge. I'm certain it
       | wasn't accessible nor SEO-friendly though it was inadvertently
       | mobile friendly.
        
       | n9com wrote:
       | How are you handling international tax?
        
         | ushakov wrote:
         | not the OP, but Stripe has a Tax feature (they bought TaxJar
         | last year)
         | 
         | https://stripe.com/en-gb-de/tax
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | maliker wrote:
       | Reminds me a little of jeffbridges.com/latest. Dude hand letters
       | and draws his entire website. Might be cool to have an option to
       | keep the original writing without the OCR?
        
       | zeckalpha wrote:
       | I hope View Source shows an image of the paper using source
       | mapping
        
         | jgtrosh wrote:
         | I'd prefer the opposite: display the scanned page but with the
         | OCR'd text virtually placed on the page (and accessible as alt
         | text or something) like a proper OCR'd PDF.
        
           | ComputerGuru wrote:
           | No, thanks. It's terribly hard to read strangers'
           | handwriting.
        
       | aaroninsf wrote:
       | This is so much less interesting than I was hoping based on the
       | title and premise.
       | 
       | Oh well.
        
       | rado wrote:
       | Awesome.
        
       | tmjdev wrote:
       | Ben Stokes is an inspiration to me. I get excited reading any of
       | the TinyProjects posts. It's so refreshing to see a solo dev
       | building and shipping so much. Hoping I'm tracking for that kind
       | of ability as a full stack dev.
        
       | strzibny wrote:
       | Love it, best of the tiny projects so far;)
        
       | throwawaycities wrote:
       | All his projects are fun...one of his prior projects (mentioned
       | in the article) is Mailoji.
       | 
       | I registered a few and messaged him suggesting it would be cool
       | if I could transfer the Mailoji email addresses with a code so I
       | could hide them in NFTs only the owner could see...I think by the
       | very next day he added the transfer code feature (and didn't fail
       | to give it the attention of his own style complete with an emoji
       | gift box).
        
         | reginold wrote:
         | Mailoji looks neat! Do you have a link to the gift box feature?
         | 
         | You and the author might also check out the new ENS (Ethereum
         | Name Service), it support emojis for use as crypto
         | identity/wallets. "Triple pures" (three base-level emoji) are
         | popular as a wallet address.
        
           | throwawaycities wrote:
           | At the time I used the gift feature it was just an option
           | within the dashboard, but checking now there is an entire
           | page explaining it (really well done)
           | 
           | https://mailoji.com/gifts
           | 
           | And I'm a giant fan of ENS as a protocol. FYI even though
           | there is a 3 character minimum because they use Unicode there
           | are a few hundred emojis that are technically 3 characters
           | allowing for registration of single character emoji ENS
           | names. Beware though Unicode also allows Zero Width Joinder
           | characters so there are people who add them in bad faith in
           | attempt to sell desirable names to unsuspecting buyers that
           | don't get what they think they are paying for.
           | 
           | Edit: the link was bad, but example of legit single character
           | emoji ENS is [pirate flag].eth you can search it directly in
           | the ENS App
        
       | _nickwhite wrote:
       | I love the ending. Seriously, if you're a TLDR; person and just
       | here for the comments, go read the article (it's short) and come
       | back.
        
         | slingnow wrote:
         | OK, I did that. I'm back. Now what?
        
           | mikestew wrote:
           | Spoiler: the author of TFA eats their own dogfood. If you
           | were looking for a big, M. Night Shyamalan twist at the end,
           | you'll be disappointed.
           | 
           | OTOH, the article _is_ worth a read.
        
       | enryu wrote:
       | Best article I read in a long time, kudos
        
       | bee_rider wrote:
       | It would be cool if this could spit out research papers.
       | 
       | Computers are useful tools but they can be quite attention-
       | destroying.
        
       | johnnyo wrote:
       | How do you add things like emojis and inline images?
       | 
       | I don't see anything in the text that maps to either in the
       | output?
        
       | rackjack wrote:
       | How does it handle images?
        
         | SirYandi wrote:
         | Also how about italics / bold and heading / date subheading
         | formatting. Perhaps there is a short manual editing step before
         | publishing?
        
       | hyperpallium2 wrote:
       | Reminds me of David Rees' _Artisanal Pencil Sharpening_
       | https://youtube.com/watch?v=KabOfnbS4TQ Hipster co-marketing
       | opportunity?
        
       | ushakov wrote:
       | i love that it doesn't scale!
        
       | Philip-J-Fry wrote:
       | It feels less like a paper website business and more just like a
       | traditional website builder except with some OCR to turn notebook
       | pages into web pages.
       | 
       | Like, you've still got to edit the page to add links, images,
       | colours, etc. In fact, that seems like the most complicated part.
       | 
       | It's a fun gimmick and a nice selling point. But someone will be
       | able to use this idea for Wordpress/Wix/Squarespace plugin. Would
       | be surprised if they didn't produce their own feature to do the
       | same thing eventually.
       | 
       | It'd be way cooler if you could draw links on the page and it
       | would figure that out. Or draw a box with some links in it and
       | generate a header. Draw a box for a place holder image and
       | generate that. The next iteration would obviously be using paper
       | to design the actual site and then using CV to generate the
       | markup/styling.
        
         | closetohome wrote:
         | Yeah it's integration of OCR and a lightweight CMS that also
         | conveniently rolls together fees for hosting and GPT3.
         | 
         | I was a little surprised that the paper part is used _only_ for
         | plain text. It would sort of make sense to have at least a few
         | formatting and layout features.
        
         | hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
         | Disagree because:
         | 
         | * I primarily see this as, not a traditional website builder,
         | but as a way to take _paper journals_ and transform them into
         | web journals /blogs.
         | 
         | * As someone who has tried all manner of tools and software for
         | journaling (literally like tens of software apps), I've found
         | that my brain just works best with a nice paper journal and a
         | great pen (I highly recommend the prismacolor premier fine
         | marker). It just works far better for me than anything else.
         | 
         | I'm so glad this project is at the top of HN. It is the
         | ultimate "hacker project" of someone that scratched a personal
         | itch, and found out other folks would be willing to pay for it.
        
         | noodle wrote:
         | Wouldn't be HN without the "you can build this trivially"
         | [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224] response.
        
           | MCneill27 wrote:
           | It's pathetic. So many egos that need to be assuaged every
           | time a clever execution they didn't do is brought to their
           | attention.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | setr wrote:
             | IMO it's a generally good mentality -- the fact that
             | dropbox is not _that_ hard for your average programmer to
             | replicate (by plumbing with existing tech) is exactly why
             | you have so much variety in the software space.
             | 
             | Of course, turning a functional program into a function
             | business is no simple feat, but no one should be looking at
             | these things and thinking "it takes a genius with a once-
             | in-a-lifetime idea" -- because, well, it clearly doesn't.
             | And it's really not the most incredible or innovative idea.
             | 
             | The intelligence was largely in transforming something you
             | could do into something you could easily do -- and identify
             | that it has a potential for profit, and identify how to
             | extract that profit, and executing on it long enough to
             | achieve that profit.
        
             | dang wrote:
             | " _Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation
             | of what someone says, not a weaker one that 's easier to
             | criticize. Assume good faith._"
             | 
             | " _Please don 't sneer, including at the rest of the
             | community._"
             | 
             | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
             | 
             | No doubt we're all more motivated by ego than we believe we
             | are, but comments that take a supercilious stance and put
             | everybody else down don't help--and are not part of the
             | culture we're hoping for here.
        
             | 1123581321 wrote:
             | I think that's in play either way--people need to tell or
             | be told that their idea is actually technically
             | challenging, unusually insightful into business or users,
             | etc. Critics are silenced because there must be no way
             | they've read patio11 if they're posting, etc. Capacity for
             | mutually appreciative disagreement is low on HN.
             | 
             | The average business is not brilliant and yet is still not
             | easy to execute long enough to succeed. Life is hard.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | Drew_ wrote:
           | "You can build this trivially" is a fair criticism once you
           | build your own products and realize how rampant IP theft is.
           | Aside from that, the infamous dropbox comment you linked
           | doesn't at all say "you can build this trivially".
        
             | habibe wrote:
             | Not word for word, but pretty close: "...you can already
             | build such a system yourself quite trivially..."
        
           | InGoodFaith wrote:
           | Wouldn't also be HN without the misinterpretation of
           | BrandonM's response.
           | 
           | Here is dang's comment about that topic/meme [1]
           | 
           | 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29178442
        
           | Philip-J-Fry wrote:
           | I'm not saying it's trivial to build this. I'm just saying
           | that the "paper website" part is greatly exaggerated. The
           | real meat of the pie is in website builder which _is_ more
           | complicated than tweaking some parameters on some off the
           | shelf OCR/GPT3 solutions.
           | 
           | It's cool, I've never shipped a project like this, and
           | probably never will. But I've worked on my fair share of
           | software so I know what it takes behind the scenes.
        
             | option_greek wrote:
             | You are not looking at this from user perspective. It's
             | very much a paper based flow for them. Where it wins is
             | that it lets people forget about digital devices while
             | creating their content while letting them choosing to share
             | some of it online post that. There are magic notebooks,
             | magic pens etc that use ocr to achieve the same but you
             | still need to do the creation using those devices (which
             | are at least twice the $99 price).
             | 
             | Because you are a developer, you are thinking in
             | gpt/ocr/website building etc. Lot of people especially
             | older generations eager to share stuff will find this
             | useful if not amusing. For them its write something on
             | paper and get a link back. Real users don't care about
             | WordPress plugins.
        
               | cxr wrote:
               | > You are not looking at this from user perspective.
               | 
               | They are looking at it that way. Because what you just
               | described would be great for the user. The only problem
               | is that what you described doesn't match how this service
               | actually works. That it should work like but doesn't is
               | the entire basis for Philip-J-Fry's comments. Both
               | comments here make it clear enough what he or she is
               | talking about, so the response admonishing them (to
               | empathize with the users) is odd.
        
             | trulyme wrote:
             | You both have a point, except yours is a narrow(er)
             | engineering one. OP solved a real-world problem, and
             | actually solved enough of it to be useful to many people,
             | who were thrilled enough to become customers. That is
             | impressive by itself, but what makes it even more
             | impressive is that it is a new niche!
             | 
             | Would adding new features make it easier to create more
             | complex pages? Yes. Would it improve the experience for the
             | users? I doubt it. It's like adding full text editing mode
             | to a chat - technically viable, but takes away the magic -
             | just give me text and emojis and stop there.
        
           | bluecatswim wrote:
           | That's not what parent said at all, if anything he meant the
           | very opposite. He was just suggesting missing features. The
           | site is a nice tiny project but it's not what you'd expect
           | when you think of making websites from paper, you'd think it
           | would understand layouts and convert them to CSS or let you
           | create a sitemap from a tree but as it is it's just OCRing
           | text and uploading it to a page with an editor next to it.
        
         | underdeserver wrote:
         | A blog is more about the content of a single post than about
         | the links inside.
         | 
         | When I'm reading a post, I rarely click any links at all.
        
         | claytn wrote:
         | I completely disagree. No one is ever going to write out a url
         | by hand on notebook paper. Even in the rare case that a url
         | would fit on a single line, it's just needlessly cumbersome
         | work to do. I think the project author did a great job allowing
         | for further site customization (styles, images, etc.) without
         | overcomplicating the hand-written portion.
        
           | Philip-J-Fry wrote:
           | I don't mean writing out a URL...
           | 
           | You could name pages like "Home", "About", "My trip to
           | Paris". And then write on the piece of paper "[link to My
           | trip to Paris]"
           | 
           | Or you could write "[link from Posts]" to add it to a common
           | listing.
           | 
           | You'd basically just create a written form of Markdown.
        
             | claytn wrote:
             | Oh I misread. That type of linking definitely feels doable.
             | Images & styles are a whole other can of worms though
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | FalconSensei wrote:
       | My main impediment for using anything like that is that my
       | handwriting is incomprehensible to anyone except me. Like, my
       | wife takes some time to figure out what it's written there, and
       | sometimes - after long enough time passes - even myself
        
         | d0gsg0w00f wrote:
         | Maybe there's an inherent bias that people who prefer to hand
         | write have better handwriting and therefore have a better
         | experience. It's possible that most people with bad handwriting
         | are more prone to want to type.
        
       | SeanFerree wrote:
       | Love it!
        
       | ineedasername wrote:
       | I love this. It's hilariously written at the same time that it
       | shows building something that is useful into a business without
       | worrying about whether it would scale to Unicorn size.
       | 
       | On the downside, the Moleskin IDE the custom one the author had
       | made in China are extremely biased against people with bad
       | handwriting. More attention to accessibility may be required.
       | 
       | Seriously though this seems great if you have a bunch of notes
       | and journals that you'd like to digitize. I have a small journal
       | with my own recipes from over the years, and digitizing it has
       | been in the back of my mind for a while-- if Paper Website can
       | defeat my astoundingly awful handwriting.
        
       | TwelveNights wrote:
       | I like using paper to journal about my day or write about random
       | thoughts I might have that I'd like to flesh out further through
       | writing. A few inconveniences of writing it though is that you
       | might want to selectively share some stuff from time-to-time,
       | lack of ability to add media (though a portable printer kinda
       | solves this problem), and having a limit of space, relying on
       | indexing journals when they fill up. A lot of the caveats are
       | solved by privately blogging, though I do miss writing instead of
       | typing everything.
       | 
       | Something like this is almost a sweet spot of keeping the paper
       | version as a "draft copy" while being able to enrich a digital
       | version of your journal. As someone in the thread mentioned,
       | being able to have private pages would likely encourage people to
       | try it out for their journalling purposes. Otherwise, the project
       | looks amazing!
        
       | throwawaymanbot wrote:
       | Humanity can be awesome. I Love the whole spirit of this project.
        
       | SCUSKU wrote:
       | Hey Ben, just wanted to say great post! A lot of these comments
       | are fairly negative, and I imagine they can weigh on your psyche.
       | I just wanted to say I am thoroughly impressed with your
       | execution on the project as well as your ability to market your
       | product. Really impressive stuff, big fan :)
        
       | giarc wrote:
       | A neat idea would be to allow prisoners that don't have internet
       | or computer access to publish their own writing in an easy way.
       | Sure, a family member could take the letters and published
       | themselves, but it might be neat to see the image of the letter
       | from prison as well.
        
       | mh- wrote:
       | This was a fun read. Love the twist at the end.
        
       | _virtu wrote:
       | Slightly off topic, but I'm a bit of a paper snob at this point.
       | While Moleskine is not the bottom of the barrel I still find for
       | use with fountain pen inks they're not the best. You haven't
       | lived until you try out some Tomoe river paper.
       | 
       | Check out TarokoShop's notebooks:
       | https://www.etsy.com/shop/TarokoShop?ref=simple-shop-header-....
        
         | picture wrote:
         | The Clairefontaine paper used in Rhodia's Rhodiarama notebooks
         | are also excellent. The soft cover Rhodiarama are some of the
         | best paper for really watery inks. Another fantastic option is
         | Midori's notebook paper, their whole design and the open grid
         | option are really pretty. https://www.midori-
         | japan.co.jp/md/en/products/mdnote/ Also if you're willing to
         | over pay, the Kleid 2mm grid notebook with OK Fools paper are
         | among the highest quality I've used. It has handy feature of
         | detachable pages too.
        
           | jen729w wrote:
           | While we're on paper, I have a Field Notes "Expedition"
           | special edition. [0] It has waterproof paper which is 'fun'
           | but actually pretty useless as ink doesn't really hold.
           | 
           | So I had it for years and it went unused. And then I used a
           | pencil! (Mitsubishi 9850 HB, thanks for asking.) [1] Oh and
           | it is _the most fun in the world!_ It's like writing on a pat
           | of butter with the tail of a fox. It's the smoothest thing
           | you've ever felt.
           | 
           | Now it lives in the kitchen and I record meat temperatures
           | and whisky cocktail ratios and it is my favourite book.
           | 
           | That is all.
           | 
           | [0]: https://fieldnotesbrand.com/products/expedition
           | 
           | [1]: https://pencilly.com.au/product/mitsubishi-9850-hb/
        
             | noahbradley wrote:
             | If you want some waterproof notebooks that aren't quite as
             | impractical as those Expedition ones (they always smeared
             | for me too), you might try Rite in the Rain. Had a great
             | time using those over the years.
        
             | gcheong wrote:
             | Fun fact - I worked for a bit in Japan for Yupo (the
             | company that makes the paper of the same name and used in
             | this notebook) as part of the project team that was
             | overseeing the construction of the Yupo plant in Virginia.
             | I was originally hired through an English language school
             | on contract to help with editing the English translations
             | of their technical documentation but also got to do some
             | things like porting a sheet temperature simulator from MS-
             | DOS to Windows.
        
         | allenu wrote:
         | I may have to try out Tomoe some time. I used Moleskine long
         | ago but eventually moved away to Leuchtturm 1917 notebooks. I
         | find their paper works really well for my fountain pen usage. I
         | even write on both sides of each page, something I avoided on
         | cheaper notebooks.
        
       | martneumann wrote:
       | I could see a good use case for those planning/kanban/mind
       | mapping meetings where you plaster a whiteboard with notes and
       | drawings. Scanning or photographing that isn't so nice.
       | Formatting it into a pleasant, readable wesbite would be pretty
       | cool.
        
       | asicsp wrote:
       | Discussion about the site mentioned in this article:
       | 
       | "Paper Website: Start a tiny website from your notebook"
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29174478 _(32 days ago, 271
       | points, 70 comments)_
        
       | abadger9 wrote:
       | I've done some OCR side projects during hackathon weeks over the
       | years (with google tesseract). This is a neat idea, I can only
       | imagine the difficulty with which transcribing the variety of
       | terrible handwriting will cause frustration and an eventual flood
       | of refunds.
        
         | deegles wrote:
         | He really glosses over how he uses GPT-3 to correct the text...
        
           | poxrud wrote:
           | It looks like he's first using tesseract to recognize his
           | handwriting and convert it into text. Tesseract doesn't do a
           | perfect job so the recognized text is full of mistakes. He
           | treats the mistakes as spelling mistakes and "asks" GPT-3 to
           | correct them. This is a very clever idea and will greatly
           | improve current OCR efforts.
        
           | amenod wrote:
           | That's a really interesting part, and probably why the OCR
           | works good enough for such case.
           | 
           | Not sure about legal implications of using it though:
           | 
           | https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/23/1008729/openai-i.
           | ..
           | 
           | EDIT: it seems I have misunderstood the article - OP probably
           | uses MS API to access GPT-3 anyway, so the point is moot.
        
           | jsmith99 wrote:
           | From the screenshot I suspect the real secret is that it
           | gives the user a chance to correct errors after scanning.
        
           | etskinner wrote:
           | They might consider it a trade secret of sorts. If I were
           | them, I wouldn't want someone to just take the idea and
           | undercut me.
        
             | folli wrote:
             | I think from his explanation in the article it's quite
             | straightforward to implement it yourself: get a GPT-3
             | subscription at OpenAI or MS Azure, use the API as
             | described in the article, voila.
             | 
             | But the idea is genius indeed.
        
         | gambiting wrote:
         | Yeaaaah, his handwriting is actual certified art compared to
         | mine . I can't get _anything_ to recognize my handwriting
         | reliably, including the text recognition built into iOS with
         | Pencil - it 's just useless.
        
           | tbihl wrote:
           | To second what the other commenter said to you: I have seen
           | someone with terrible handwriting fix it. He decided he
           | cared, found pens and notebooks he really liked, and started
           | using them attentively. People treat pens like they're all
           | the same, but the drying time, line thickness, weight, drag
           | across the paper, etc. all vary enormously, and if you care,
           | you can probably find the right tool and get your handwriting
           | to a point where you're happy with it.
        
             | sombremesa wrote:
             | I disagree on the suggested method, but I agree that
             | handwriting can be improved. Someone who writes in
             | prescription cursive isn't going to get better with a new
             | pen and different paper. It takes deliberate practice and
             | attention to detail.
             | 
             | This is why "a poor craftsman blames his tools" is an
             | adage.
        
               | mprovost wrote:
               | I have terrible handwriting and have had the idea in the
               | past to try and relearn with a new style. Like maybe the
               | way they teach French children in school! But when I
               | looked online for a book on how to learn handwriting as
               | an adult they were all for veterans who had lost their
               | dominant hand and that was incredibly depressing. Anyone
               | have a good resource?
        
               | sombremesa wrote:
               | Just copy writing you think is good, and keep a daily
               | journal where you write exclusively in that style. It'll
               | be slow going at first, but it works. Takes about a year
               | before it's totally natural.
        
             | talor_a wrote:
             | I decided I hated having chicken-scratch handwriting around
             | the end of high school / beginning of college. I literally
             | did writing worksheets (tracing over letters) like I was in
             | kindergarten. And if I wrote a messy word / letter on my
             | homework I'd cross the word out and do it again. It made a
             | huge difference, and I started getting compliments all the
             | time on my writing. It's slipped back into average
             | territory since, but it definitely works!
        
           | hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
           | I can't even recognize my handwriting reliably.
        
             | rileyphone wrote:
             | Same - I find I typically use writing as a tool for thought
             | moreso than a record that I will come back to, though I
             | occasionally take a pass through old notes to see if I had
             | any forgotten gems.
        
           | criddell wrote:
           | You can change that.
           | 
           | After I started using a Palm Pilot, my handwriting improved
           | significantly and the changes seem to have been permanent. I
           | get basically 100% accuracy with the Apple Pencil in iOS.
        
             | globalise83 wrote:
             | There is a delicious irony in the fact that you are
             | training yourself using a reinforcement learning approach
             | to meet the needs of an imperfect machine learning
             | application.
        
               | criddell wrote:
               | An inexpensive bit of consumer tech. was able to
               | accomplish something that years of human teachers could
               | not.
        
               | deepdmistry wrote:
               | I don't see an issue in that, we can meet machines part
               | way to make it easier for both of us
        
         | Fiahil wrote:
         | I have the same issue with my remarkable 2 : My handwriting is
         | not OCR-able
        
           | edoceo wrote:
           | Practice! I found a guide for writing letter like architect,
           | helped me a bunch, after like 30 days of learning new letter
           | shapes
        
             | fesoliveira wrote:
             | Could you post a link to this guide? My handwriting while
             | not horrible could use some improvement, and is not helped
             | by the fact that I am left handed.
        
               | JadoJodo wrote:
               | I'm uncertain if this is the one parent mentioned, but I
               | found this guide with a quick search:
               | https://artdepartmental.com/blog/architectural-lettering/
        
               | edoceo wrote:
               | This is good too! I got books from the library.
        
       | FunHearing3443 wrote:
       | Trying the free trial - this is awesome! And it actually read my
       | truly awful handwriting quite well. The website design and the
       | technology is inspiring. Thank you!
        
       | mNovak wrote:
       | All I want is a dead easy way to make a landing page + account +
       | payment options for a tiny prototype SaaS like this (e.g. I
       | supply a few APIs as 'backend' and the rest just works) -- quite
       | similar to the One Item Store the author made. I can only imagine
       | how many people have had to repeat all the same boring steps for
       | some small proto.
        
       | rambambram wrote:
       | Big smile on my face, fun read and nice video.
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Wow, the ending of this blog post felt like an incredible twist
       | in a movie was just revealed.
        
         | giarc wrote:
         | To me it felt more like a magician revealing a hidden twist.
        
       | OliC wrote:
       | What a great idea. We need more of this sort of thing.
        
       | einpoklum wrote:
       | > My girlfriend watched me, puzzled. After convincing her that I
       | hadn't gone crazy
       | 
       | Now _there_s a startup idea for you! How did you manage to do
       | that? Much more interesting story :-P
        
       | FarmOfFriends wrote:
       | whats the input to gpt-3? is it only the text outputted from the
       | handwriting recognition?
       | 
       | im just wondering if GPT-3 can be used as a spell check for
       | speech to text use cases
        
       | 094459 wrote:
       | I am so happy about this site as a few months ago I had a similar
       | idea after speaking to some relatives who wanted badly to blog
       | but was just terrified of the tech. After chatting for a while
       | afternoon in between copious amounts of tea and cake, we came
       | upon a design that involved pen/paper or a typewritten page, and
       | an app that would convert this into a blog post. I hope this does
       | really well and will be sharing this with that group.
        
       | dash2 wrote:
       | Three above this story on the front page is an article called
       | "The Web Is Fucked", complaining about how there's no character
       | on the web any more, and lamenting the 90s, Geocities etc. etc.
       | I'd say this story refutes that one.
        
         | jaypeg25 wrote:
         | I wish Stumble Upon still existed just so I could find the
         | weird corners of the web again. This site and Reddit sort of
         | fill that but also don't quite fit it at all.
        
           | horsawlarway wrote:
           | So much this!
           | 
           | I don't really think it's that the niche stuff has moved away
           | from the web - it's that nearly every functional discovery
           | mechanism (that my now 30ish year old self knows about) has
           | been captured by advertising or killed.
           | 
           | When all you ever get served up is links to the same drivel
           | promoted by folks who have no honest interest or curiosity,
           | but are essentially mercenary marketing/sales (sorry -
           | _influencers_ blegh...), then the web starts to _feel_ like a
           | bland wasteland.
           | 
           | Some of this is entirely related to being older - but I do
           | genuinely think the current tech powerhouses on the web are
           | trying their damn hardest to kill off any & all organic
           | discovery mechanisms they can. Often through completely
           | disingenuous means. If that fails, they buy them and shutter
           | them, or roll them into the brand where it becomes the same
           | drivel again.
        
           | aniforprez wrote:
           | Not to be a downer again but reddit is pretty much dead for
           | this. It's turning into FB more and more every day with a lot
           | of young kids and teenagers filling it with memes and begging
           | for engagement and such. It's not much of an aggregator
           | anymore and is turning into more of an actual social network
           | now except they still have "anonymous" profiles
           | 
           | I guess it's what the people running it want but I find
           | myself going there less and less every day and only look at a
           | few curated subs
        
             | rkangel wrote:
             | I've found Reddit improved by careful curation of my
             | subscribed subreddits. If I spent most of my time in there
             | rather than /r/all then it's great. I still feel like
             | scrolling through memes on /r/all from time to time and
             | that has the beneficial side effect of helping me add to
             | those subscriptions.
        
               | waltbosz wrote:
               | This is true to an extent, but I find that reddit culture
               | seeps its way into all subs. There is a overreaching lack
               | of seriousness.
               | 
               | It's my observation that the average redditor is more
               | interested in gaining upvotes via silly class-clown
               | behavior, than actually contributing meaningful
               | conversation. Or interested in upvoting silly comments.
               | 
               | Even in subreddits where the topic of discussion is
               | something serious, such as a forum for advice seeking,
               | people can't help but reply to posts with jokes.
               | 
               | What is worse is when people are downvoted for a reply
               | which is intelligent and serious, but is contrary to
               | popular opinion.
        
           | MCneill27 wrote:
           | It's so bizarre to me that StumbleUpon came from the same
           | mind as Uber (well one of the minds).
           | 
           | However true or untrue all of the political intrigue,
           | journalistic threats, etc., it's just crazy to me that such
           | an innocent corner of the web that I loved so much in the
           | mid-late 2000s was sending death threats to journos in London
           | not 8 years later.
        
         | slingnow wrote:
         | Yeah, you're right. One counterexample definitely invalidates
         | the entire argument.
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | Uh, this story uses GPT-3 to "improve" content based on a huge
         | training set. Do you think that this will increase diversity
         | and bring more character to the web?
        
           | dash2 wrote:
           | What? It uses GPT-3 to improve _spelling_.
        
         | duxup wrote:
         | We remember the fun stuff, but you had to look for it even back
         | in the day.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | "Back in my day," we had to look for fun compared to the
           | expectation that fun will be delivered to you at your beck
           | and call. How times have changed. When you grow up with
           | something, it's just accepted as normal. You have to have
           | known a time without it to truly get the difference.
        
             | duxup wrote:
             | "Facebook didn't provide me what I wanted...THE WEB IS
             | DEAD!"
        
         | pkdpic wrote:
         | This makes me remember that my primary way of finding new
         | things on the web back in middle school was just typing
         | educated guess urls in until I found something.
         | 
         | Makes me wonder how interesting the web might be if I just
         | started doing that again, and how boring it might have been if
         | I'd just had a working search engine back then.
         | 
         | Then again I also seem to remember getting bored enough with
         | the web to only spend an hour or two on it at a time. Also I
         | was in middle / elementary school so that might have played a
         | role too.
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | _This makes me remember that my primary way of finding new
           | things on the web back in middle school was just typing
           | educated guess urls in until I found something._
           | 
           | It was nice back in the early days when you wanted U.S. state
           | government information, you could almost always enter
           | something like http://state.xx.us and get the state's home
           | page, then explore from there. (Where xx was the state
           | abbreviation.)
           | 
           | Cities were very often http://city.state.xx.us.
           | 
           | Now many (most?) states have vanity URLs, and the cities are
           | worse. I think Chicago's changed its URL at least three
           | times.
        
           | floatingatoll wrote:
           | Google built their index by externalizing the human cost of
           | curation, aka Webrings. Now all the webrings are dead,
           | because humans are easily tempted by lazy search into not
           | maintaining them. I wish they weren't. They were a better
           | form of curation than anything since.
        
           | daledavies wrote:
           | I once made a website called bobswhitetrousers.com,
           | absolutely noone ever visited.
        
           | MMS21 wrote:
           | If you did that now you'll run into sites with no content but
           | a banner at the top with contact details so you can buy the
           | domain.
        
             | bckr wrote:
             | Yep, I got it on the first try. personalrobotics dot com.
             | Not a neat robot hacker website, not even a company selling
             | robots. Just a $300k domain squat.
        
             | dhosek wrote:
             | Or a page full of ads.
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | or much much worse. NSFW klaxon alarms and visits from HR
             | for viewing this content at work type situations.
        
             | pkdpic wrote:
             | Thats a good point, I remember a bit of this back in the
             | day but not sure how common it was. One my best friend and
             | I still joke about to this day was tree.com, I seem to
             | remember it wasn't even for sale, just a squat for squats
             | sake or something. Good times.
        
             | BeFlatXIII wrote:
             | Parking domains have been a staple of the internet since
             | its inception.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | oh the days of the under construction animGifs
        
       | twobitshifter wrote:
       | This is a great idea and I'd love a future with an explosion of
       | paper websites. However, I'm saddened that after all the
       | attention and clicks the annual revenue is only $3600. It really
       | shows the difficulty of getting someone to pay for your service.
       | I wonder if an alternate revenue model would have been more
       | successful?
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | ushakov wrote:
       | where is your business based and have you registered an LLC?
       | 
       | do you make a separate LLC for each project?
       | 
       | how much did it cost to launch the business and what does is cost
       | to keep running (lawyers/paperwork/admin)?
       | 
       | i'm scared of starting my own tiny projects, because of all the
       | bureaucracy involved to even get started
        
         | soared wrote:
         | You don't really need to register an llc or do any of that for
         | your projects that are not big.
        
           | ushakov wrote:
           | how do you legally accept money then?
           | 
           | clarification: i'm in EU
        
             | benmmurphy wrote:
             | If your turnover is low enough you don't need to be VAT
             | registered in the UK. Also, in the UK you can be VAT
             | registered and be a sole trader.
        
               | ushakov wrote:
               | do you think as a foreign citizen i'd be able to setup a
               | UK Limited?
               | 
               | i'm familiar with Companies House though
        
               | marci wrote:
               | Are you in the EU or the UK?
        
               | rosndo wrote:
               | If you're not on any sanctions lists there shouldn't be
               | any issues.
               | 
               | Your residency/citizenship does not play any part in
               | forming a UK LTD. It might affect your ability to open an
               | account with some banks though.
               | 
               | These guys are okay
               | https://www.99pcompanyformations.co.uk/ The whole process
               | takes a few minutes and costs almost nothing.
        
             | cbushko wrote:
             | I think you just take the cash using Stripe or whatever. It
             | gets deposited in your bank account and you claim income
             | tax on it.
        
               | ushakov wrote:
               | i don't want liability
        
               | chinathrow wrote:
               | What are you talking about? You make revenue, you
               | disclose the revenue, you file taxes. Doesn't matter if
               | you do it as a private person or as an LLC.
               | 
               | You can incorporate to reduce liability easily, it does
               | not cost a lot of money in most jurisdictions.
        
             | spiffytech wrote:
             | In the US, anyone can sell good or services and do business
             | without formally registering as a business. You're
             | automatically classified as a sole proprietorship, with
             | your legal name as the business name. But there's no
             | liability protection, since you and the business are the
             | same legal entity. That's where LLC or incorporating comes
             | in, along with lots of other reasons to want to formalize
             | the business as a legal entity.
        
         | mwint wrote:
         | It's not that bad - make an LLC right now (in most states, it's
         | a single form to start one), then you have no excuse. Taxes are
         | easy.
         | 
         | You probably don't even need the LLC, but I like having a bit
         | of a legal umbrella (though chances are, no one is going to sue
         | you unless your project gets big)
        
         | hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
         | I have a number of smaller businesses/products that are part of
         | one business entity: - IT Consulting practice - Eletronic
         | device business (sells a single product via internet/mail
         | order) - YouTube channel/blog - Fledgling SAS product that's
         | not yet launched (consumes money, not makes it)
         | 
         | I live in the US. To incorporate here, you file paperwork with
         | your state. You don't need a lawyer, just send in the filing
         | fee(s) with the completed paperwork. If I remember correctly,
         | fees were somewhere around $100-$200. I have an accountant do
         | my corporate taxes. He charges me $400. I file the sales tax
         | paperwork myself on my state's web site. It's basically: How
         | much do you owe us? And then you pay it. Most eCommerce
         | storefronts keep track of the sales-tax stuff for you so it's
         | easy.
        
       | kragen wrote:
       | I wonder what value you could add to this with a notebook printed
       | with digitally referenced paper? By printing an unobtrusive sort
       | of barcode on each page, you could determine which part of which
       | page of which notebook each scanned pixel came from, and what
       | lighting conditions it was photographed under. What could you do
       | with that?
       | 
       | Well, the simplest and most greyface application is forms; you
       | can define particular areas of each page as being particular form
       | fields. If you're blogging, you might have a field for a "slug"
       | that appears in the URL, for example, or a field for tags, or
       | checkboxes for some tags (plus a special page to declare the
       | meanings of the checkboxes). Or, if you're tracking expenses, you
       | could have a checkbox for each expense category and columns for
       | the date and the amount. For recipes, you might have a section
       | for listing ingredients, with a column for unit of measure, a
       | column for quantity, and a column for the ingredient name. Etc.
       | 
       | For me, the special feature of paper notebooks that cellphones
       | and other computers suck at is drawing. If I want to draw a
       | diagram or illustration, it just works much better on paper: my
       | pencil point occludes much less drawing area than my finger does,
       | there's no tracking error where the ink appears 2 mm to the side
       | of the point, it has much lower latency, and I can draw finer
       | lines. But scanning those drawings into a computer is a pain,
       | because I have to illuminate them evenly and hold them flat while
       | I photograph them, which still probably involves some perspective
       | distortion. Barcodes on the paper, together with reference lines
       | and reference color swatches, could solve that problem, as well
       | as providing information about which parts of the paper are
       | occluded, if any.
       | 
       | For a few special applications like numismatics and entomology,
       | the paper could provide a precise physical measurement reference
       | for specimens.
       | 
       | Combining drawing with filling out forms, you can make a font
       | from your handwriting; this is enormously easier if you can
       | correct the various distortions. In
       | http://canonical.org/~kragen/oilpencil/ I spent about 24 hours
       | fiddling with various graphics programs, but there was a website
       | I found somewhere where you can print out a form, draw the font
       | on it, upload the scan, and download your TrueType font. This
       | kind of thing might help with training OCR, too, especially if
       | you don't have access to GPT-3. (Or if OpenAI decides to
       | peremptorily destroy everything you've built because one of your
       | users uses your service to write about their dead fiancee:
       | https://towardsdatascience.com/openai-opens-gpt-3-for-everyo...)
       | 
       | Other ways to combine drawing and filling out forms include
       | sketching orthographic projections to build 3-D models; coloring
       | a coloring book; drawing maps for Minetest and similar grid-cell
       | games (especially 2-D ones); drawing heightfields; and sketching
       | different keyframes of an animation to automatically morph
       | between. You could even draw a 2-D continuum of keyframes, thus
       | providing an animation character that's continuously variable
       | along two different axes; you might put time on the theta axis
       | and some sort of emotion along the radius axis.
       | 
       | (You can also apply these ideas with drawings that are input via
       | other media, such as touchscreens, Wacom tablets, and mice, not
       | only scanning paper. When you're scanning paper it's hard to get
       | feedback as you're drawing, although you could maybe glance at
       | your cellphone screen periodically, or use a projector like
       | DynamicLand, or have a continuously updated monitor using a
       | webcam feed. It could even use the occlusion information from the
       | barcode to patch in remembered images wherever your hands were
       | occluding the paper.)
       | 
       | What should the barcodes look like?
       | 
       | In 02001 Anoto announced their "Digital Paper" approach:
       | https://www.wired.com/2001/04/anoto/. As explained in
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_paper this uses an
       | unobtrusive 2-D barcode scanned by a camera in a "digital pen"
       | (later called the "Fly Pen", 02005) to locate the pen in an
       | enormous global "virtual desktop"; I think the NeoLAB "Neo
       | smartpen" works the same way. This was all before cameraphones
       | went mainstream and high resolution. They got 300 patents but
       | fortunately everything they filed in 02001 expires this year.
       | Anoto's barcodes use a grid of slightly displaced grid dots.
       | 
       | The Fly Pen provided a sort of graphical user interface on the
       | paper, using audio for output. It was sort of aimed at kids doing
       | schoolwork and playing games. It failed in 02009. The founder
       | started a new company called Livescribe focusing on notetaking;
       | the Livescribe smartpen allows you to spatially organize and
       | annotate a continuous audio recording. It has been more
       | commercially successful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livescribe
       | 
       | Tiny unobtrusive dots might not reproduce reliably on a cellphone
       | camera, though having been published in WIRED in 02001 means the
       | technique is in the public domain (or will be next year). A
       | better idea might be to use thin horizontal and vertical grid
       | lines whose thickness varies slightly, perhaps in a pastel
       | subtractive primary like cyan, magenta, or yellow; then you can
       | optionally remove them in software after scanning. Scanning a
       | whole page at a time, instead of a tiny area around a pen point
       | like the "digital pens" described above, gives you a great deal
       | more space for redundant page ID data in the barcode; probably 48
       | bits or so is sufficient.
        
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