[HN Gopher] Photos of a KH-12 Kennan Keyhole Secret Military Spy...
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       Photos of a KH-12 Kennan Keyhole Secret Military Spy Satellite
       (2013)
        
       Author : _Microft
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2021-12-14 18:08 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.spacesafetymagazine.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.spacesafetymagazine.com)
        
       | imglorp wrote:
       | Superpowers pretend various space assets are secrets, but it's
       | really a pointless waste of their secrecy machines. If the
       | amateurs know this much about everyone's satellite position and
       | appearance, the pros certainly know much more. So who's left?
       | Nobody. So it's only secret on paper.
        
         | mhh__ wrote:
         | We know the US operates the X-37b, we do not know what it is
         | doing.
        
           | pvarangot wrote:
           | Well, "we don't know"...
           | 
           | It's mainly:
           | 
           | - An anti-satellite weapon not unlike the rockets the Chinese
           | launch at satellites, but more refined and capable of
           | retrieving technology before disabling the craft.
           | 
           | - A testing platform for space technology like sensors. It
           | can serve as a makeshift scrappy satellite if you need to
           | quickly deploy a sensor for something.
           | 
           | Like you don't know what it's doing but you know what mostly
           | everything else on space that was not launched on board of
           | that thing is doing so there's not much left to imagination
           | here. It's like saying you don't know what Delta Force is
           | doing, yeah you do, they shoot at people. You don't know what
           | people and for what reason but that's not spooky secret alien
           | stuff or anything.
        
         | nonameiguess wrote:
         | The appearance, existence, and position of spy satellites are
         | not secret. The capabilities and the data coming back from them
         | are secret.
        
           | bob1029 wrote:
           | Capabilities and data can be inferred as well. If you know
           | exactly what something is flying over, who launched it and
           | when, you can make some reasonable assumptions.
        
           | 14 wrote:
           | I assume constant imagery of most areas. We are probably all
           | tracked in great detail but they would not want us to know
           | that. I suspect they already can retrace the steps of any
           | crime and follow it backwards. But they are not worried about
           | crimes but probably are tracking certain people and don't
           | want them to wise up and deploy anti satellite tracking
           | techniques. Spy vs spy.
        
             | 323 wrote:
             | In 20 years Google Maps will probably show live video, at
             | least in major cities.
        
           | groos wrote:
           | There is tremendous value in knowing the orbits and when they
           | pass over as India demonstrated in 1998 by using awareness of
           | US spy satellite overpasses to keep their preparations
           | secret. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokhran-II
        
             | bob1029 wrote:
             | This is fascinating. From an original source in that
             | article:
             | 
             | > The Regiment 58 Engineers had learned a lot since 1995
             | about how to avoid detection by U.S. spy satellites. A lot
             | of work was done at night, and heavy equipment was always
             | returned to the same parking spot at dawn so that image
             | analysts would conclude that they had never moved. Piles of
             | sand were shaped to mimic the wind-aligned and shaped dune
             | forms in the area. When cables were laid they were
             | carefully covered and native vegetation replaced to conceal
             | the digging.
        
               | foobarian wrote:
               | The movie Body of Lies showed some clever counter-
               | surveillance tricks like in this scene:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeciZ5_hFTY
               | 
               | Probably not realistic but thought provoking still.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | https://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/... I
       | can't be the only one who thinks the "proposed model" looks
       | nothing like the capture.
        
         | meepmorp wrote:
         | It's hard to say. At very least, the shading in the two
         | pictures doesn't suggest that they're both presented in the
         | same relative orientation.
        
         | slowhand09 wrote:
         | Cuisinart blender "Space model", on sale at BestBuy...
        
         | _Microft wrote:
         | The proposed model and the photograph were made independently
         | by different people by the way.
         | 
         | Solar panels aren't included at all in the proposed model.
         | These are the protrusions towards the bottom left and top right
         | on the photograph. The part at the "upper left" end of the
         | satellite might just be a lid or a sunshade on the opening of
         | the telescope. Beside that the tapering shape of the main
         | structure looks similar, imo. Keep in mind that there is a wide
         | variety of possible shapes for satellites. For that, the
         | proposed shape doesn't look that bad, imo.
        
       | michaf wrote:
       | So, if it's true that these KH-12 spy satellites are basically
       | modified versions the Hubble space telescope, would it be
       | reasonable to assume that Webb will get copied in a similar way
       | for spy satellites?
        
         | micah94 wrote:
         | Doubtful, I think Webb only sees in the infrared. Looking at
         | the earth would blind it. This is why it'll be a million miles
         | away protected by a fancy heat shield.
        
           | BrazzVuvuzela wrote:
           | > _Looking at the earth would blind it_
           | 
           | Wouldn't that depend on how much dynamic range it has? Webb
           | is intended to look at very dim signals in space so Earth
           | would blind it, but if a spy-Webb were intended to track
           | rocket or jet engines, things quite hotter than the rest of
           | earth, perhaps it might be capable of that?
        
         | nyokodo wrote:
         | > would it be reasonable to assume that Webb will get copied in
         | a similar way for spy satellites?
         | 
         | Unlikely. You have the origin mixed up. The spy satellites came
         | first, and then Hubble.
        
           | twinge wrote:
           | Next comes the space telescopes that are based on the KH-11
           | spy satellites: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_R
           | econnaissance_O...
        
           | mturmon wrote:
           | Yes, the spy satellites were first by a long shot. The KH-11
           | (2.4m mirror, CCD focal plane) was first launched in 1976.
           | Hubble (2.4m mirror, CCD focal plane) was launched in 1990.
           | 
           | The shared mirror size is not a coincidence:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_KENNEN#Size_and_mass
           | 
           | The two also share a multi-billion dollar budget.
        
       | skunkworker wrote:
       | Article dated September 13, 2013.
        
         | _Microft wrote:
         | Fixed, thanks!
        
       | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
       | Are these still in active use?
        
         | BrazzVuvuzela wrote:
         | NROL-82, launched this year early in April, is likely one of
         | them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11#Block_V
        
         | micah94 wrote:
         | Yes: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/02/756673481/amateurs-
         | identify-u...
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | we could tell you, but then we'd need an approriate place to
         | dispose of your body.*
         | 
         | *not a threat of violence, just a saying
        
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