[HN Gopher] I was stuck on a side project for 5 years - how I fi...
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       I was stuck on a side project for 5 years - how I finished it
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       Author : danbst
       Score  : 99 points
       Date   : 2021-12-15 20:04 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | pingsl wrote:
       | I ate the shed. The course is well designed. Maybe you can add
       | some reminders, e.g. answer should be in a format like 1/5 rather
       | than 0.2. :)
        
       | benfarahmand wrote:
       | I may or may not be building a shed in my spare time for the past
       | 5 years, but I'm positive I'm not making a cake. With prototyping
       | and user feedback it feels like I'm not building a shed, but the
       | effort many times feels like I'm building a shed. That said, the
       | shed definition could be clearer because there are parts of my
       | passion project that makes it feel like I'm building a shed (i.e.
       | marketing).
        
       | szundi wrote:
       | first question with an edit box made me stuck, shed burned
       | 
       | Quite like the cute npcs though
        
       | Swalden123 wrote:
       | Love the analogy. I recently started reducing the scope of my
       | projects and getting them in front of users as quickly as I can.
       | For the first time ever I've actually been launching things as a
       | result. "Sheds" can be so mentally draining, especially due to
       | the uncertainty of whether anyone will actually want it.
        
       | elmers-glue wrote:
       | I've made two side projects so far. The first was a visual JVM
       | profiler that was very complex and educational/intellectually
       | satisfying to build but when I finished it I had little interest
       | or know-how or capital to invest in growing + marketing it.
       | 
       | The second one was as simplest as I could possibly make it. I had
       | basically 2 hours per weekend in 2021 (kids & all) and I
       | rigorously stuck within my estimated scope. I was really focused
       | on making cake. I use the app all the time; it's at least cake to
       | me. In 2022 I'll have to figure out if other people think it's
       | cake, too. But at least no will able to say I over-scoped it, or
       | over-estimated it.
        
         | HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
         | ...so what was the app?
        
       | bigbassroller wrote:
       | Hey thats a nice looking shed!
        
       | gwbas1c wrote:
       | The shed is a poor analogy. (Here's the link to the story about
       | the shed that took 9 years to build:
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/czg04y/shed_is_finally...)
       | 
       | Basically, the guy wasn't a perfectionist. He didn't build and
       | tear down 5 different sheds. It just wasn't a priority. It was
       | really important to him that he DIY his shed, but "life"
       | happened. Every time he set aside a weekend or some funds for the
       | shed, something came up.
       | 
       | If he really needed a shed, he could have just ordered one from
       | Home Depot. They aren't that expensive and are dropped off, fully
       | assembled.
       | 
       | > the shed consumed their free cycles and mind space for 9 years.
       | 
       | No, it was more like a running joke. The shed was an unfinished
       | project that was never gotten around to. My dad started finishing
       | his basement before I was born, and only finished it over 20
       | years later! It was also a running joke in my family.
       | 
       | Ironically, I have a grass-free spot of land in my yard that was
       | supposed to be for a dog run. My dog died a few years after I
       | built my house. Maybe in 9 years I'll put a shed there.
        
         | HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
         | Huh, that could be me except it's been like 9 years and the
         | shed isn't finished yet.
         | 
         | > It just wasn't a priority
         | 
         | Pretty much this!
        
       | SrslyJosh wrote:
       | This problem wasn't entirely clear:
       | 
       | > Casting each of the spells in the set is finicky and doesn't
       | always succeed. A cast succeeds 20% of the time and is
       | independent of previous casts. I need 3 successful casts in a row
       | to summon the animal familiar. > What is the probability that I
       | summon a familiar on my first try?
       | 
       | I tried inputting the answer as a percentage with "%" and as
       | percentage without "%" before I tried inputing it as fraction and
       | was able to proceed.
       | 
       | It'd be a good idea to indicate what format the answer needs to
       | be in.
        
         | maxbond wrote:
         | I imagine they agree and aren't satisfied with the interface,
         | but can't give it any more of their time. I take the impression
         | they were more concerned about finding a novel and beautiful
         | way to present statistics, and to transfer some of their
         | passion for the subject to the reader, than creating a usable
         | piece of software. (For instance, when they describe coming up
         | with entirely different stories and casts of characters,
         | repeatedly. Clearly the story is what is important about this
         | project to them.)
         | 
         | Personally I've never made it past the first paragraph of a
         | story without deleting it, so I salute them for shipping
         | _something_.
        
       | fwsgonzo wrote:
       | This is his big project, a work on teaching statistics:
       | https://cassandraxia.com/wizard/
       | 
       | So far, I'm liking it a lot.
        
         | cipheredStones wrote:
         | (The author is a woman.)
        
       | rjbwork wrote:
       | Author has a way with words. I chuckled quite a bit. I will not
       | eat your shedcake, dear OP, but I have eaten your cake and it was
       | pretty good. I may eat another.
        
       | lambic wrote:
       | I'm eating your shed. I like it.
        
       | sigmonsays wrote:
       | i just built a shed. I wanna know in depth how they built it to
       | take 9 years. Nobody? =P
        
         | HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
         | Not OP, but I started my shed (I think) 8 years ago.
         | 
         | Year 1: dig, place and level footings. Put down floor joists:
         | it's just a little 8x10 shed, so they're 2x4's
         | 
         | Year 2: find some scrap 3/4" plywood left over from another
         | project for a floor. Realize that it'll just get wet and rot if
         | placed, so leave it where it is. Instead frame and raise the
         | walls.
         | 
         | Year 3: realize that you should have built the south wall a bit
         | higher so the roof can slope, shrug and figure out a way to
         | frame the roof so there's a small slope anyway.
         | 
         | Year 4: (I think). Find leftover metal siding and nail it in
         | place for a roof. Now that we have a roof, put the plywood
         | down, but don't nail it down since without walls, it could
         | still get wet and rot.
         | 
         | Year 4.5: realize that the proto-shed is usable as is, and
         | start throwing crap in there that needs to be out of the way,
         | but can take getting wet.
         | 
         | Years 5 - present. Look at the shed and realize that with less
         | than a day's work you could finish it but don't have the
         | motivation to go find more siding, drive over there, drive back
         | and then nail it up. Maybe next summer...
        
         | gwbas1c wrote:
         | Just click the link. I copied here for you:
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/czg04y/shed_is_finally...
         | 
         | Summary: The guy bought a house and decided he wanted to build
         | a shed. He bought the plans, poured the slab, and then life
         | happened.
         | 
         | Basically, every time he had time / money to work on his shed,
         | some kind of obligation came up or some kind of emergency ate
         | away at his shed funds.
         | 
         | IMO, I think it's just a case of the shed not being that
         | important, but the joke being "worth it." If it really was
         | important he'd have figured out how to finish it more quickly.
         | (It's not that expensive to have someone deliver a small shed
         | to a home.)
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Submitted title was "Building Sheds: 5 years of polishing, and
       | only 3 points on HN". Please don't do that--it's against the site
       | guidelines:
       | 
       | " _Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or
       | linkbait; don 't editorialize._"
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
         | cco wrote:
         | Funny, because I think that title is better than the one that
         | they chose.
        
       | nonbirithm wrote:
       | You can still believe that a project which becomes a shed is
       | desired by an audience, however niche, and not care as much about
       | getting popularity, which gives you an excuse to keep working.
       | You can let a project that you still get enjoyment out of consume
       | the rest of your life. It's scary that the thing you willingly do
       | to get away from obligation and 9 to 5 work can be at the same
       | time the most fulfilling and most debilitating thing you do.
       | 
       | It's even harder to detach when your shed is your idea of "making
       | something out of your life", when you imagine the alternative
       | being years of wasted potential suppressing your life's true
       | desires. Don't people always say to never put off what you want
       | to do right now until it's too late? But for someone unable to
       | detach, I'm still not sure if remaining dispassionate is worse
       | than the chronic issues that arise from lack of sleep and similar
       | from never giving up and earning the label of "tenacious".
        
       | shard wrote:
       | Not sure if the OP is the author, or if the author will read
       | this, but I ate the shed, and at first found it delightful, but
       | then got an annoying bit stuck in my teeth.
       | 
       | The Guide first says "The results of the spell are supposed to be
       | independent." And I took that at face value, since I figured this
       | is an educational page rather than a page of brain teasers and
       | trick questions. But then when it asks "in my last 100 casts of
       | the spell, I got the gross potion all 100 times, what do you
       | think the next cast would yield?", I guess I was supposed to have
       | remembered that the original statement said " _supposed_ to be
       | independent ", and figure out the lesson was that this indicates
       | a problem with the spell not being independent as opposed to
       | stressing that regardless of results, independent means
       | independent. I feel annoyed rather than enlightened.
        
         | jerf wrote:
         | I think that's a really hard problem to phrase correctly no
         | matter what you do, because no matter what you do, you're
         | swimming upstream against almost the entire mathematical
         | education that person has had up to that point. Up to that
         | point the answer to "Susie has 37.8 cookies and wants to split
         | them evenly weighted by the body mass of the 17 people in her
         | class, how many cookies does each person get?" has never been
         | "Why the _hell_ does she want to do that? " But that's the kind
         | of answer you're fishing for at that point.
         | 
         | No criticism intended of the question itself. Every stats
         | course should have it in there somewhere, it's a very important
         | one. But I'v personally tried my hand at how to phrase it
         | exactly right a couple of times and it's really, really hard.
         | 
         | (Since this is an invitation for 50 people to post their
         | attempts, I would also point out it's _easy_ to phrase it in a
         | way that works for _you_ , who wrote the question. You might
         | find if you take it out for testing that it doesn't work as
         | well as you thought, though. But by all means, smash that reply
         | button. I can't stop you. :) )
        
           | necovek wrote:
           | The focus of the question should not be on the independence
           | of the probability, at the very least: you are setting a
           | responder up for failure, and that rarely leads to
           | satisfaction. Perhaps the only problem is with the given
           | response: if it was "Yes, BUT..."
           | 
           | If you expect the "why the hell does she want to do that",
           | you can't ask that in a quiz form. Why the hell are we
           | collecting potions: I couldn't care less, right? And then you
           | suspend your disbelief, and then suddenly, "uh-uh, that's too
           | unlikely, you should have questioned your assumptions."
        
         | necovek wrote:
         | Yeah, another problem is that none of the answers offered at
         | that question is really "right" according to the adventure. I
         | also find it contradictory. If you did "cast a spell" a 100
         | times, and recorded that sequence, and then asked what's the
         | likelihood of getting any particular value after getting
         | exactly that sequence, one could argue similarly that there's
         | only a 1/2*100 chance of the previous sequence happening (yet
         | it just did for the author), so something must be wrong with
         | it. Basically, they are saying that some of outputs are _not_
         | equally likely, and I am now seriously confused.
         | 
         | This is such an early point to attempt to highlight features in
         | purportedly random behaviour that is not really random.
         | 
         | It didn't annoy me, it just made me quit at that point,
         | especially as I was already battling the spell terminology.
        
         | giomasce wrote:
         | My problem with that question is that it seems to imply that of
         | something has a very small probability to happen, then it
         | cannot really happen. This is false. The probability of me
         | generating my precise GPG or writing this exact comment were
         | ridiculously small before these events happened, and still they
         | happened.
         | 
         | Or, from another point of view, it's worthless to ask what is
         | the probability of something that has already happened. Once
         | something has happened (i.e., if you constrain to that thing
         | having happened) its probability is one, full stop. You have to
         | ask a question before running the experiment.
        
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