[HN Gopher] Hugging Face Acquires Gradio
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       Hugging Face Acquires Gradio
        
       Author : aliabd
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2021-12-16 18:14 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | minimaxir wrote:
       | It's interesting that for Hugging Face Spaces that Gradio beat
       | out the more-established/more VC-backed Streamlit, despite many
       | functional and API similarities (I haven't used both enough to
       | explicitly compare/contrast).
        
       | lowbloodsugar wrote:
       | Is it only me that transposes Hugging Face to Face Hugger? [1]
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franc...
        
         | dvirsky wrote:
         | Me too, I had to see the emoji for it to click that it's not an
         | Alien reference.
        
         | hallway_monitor wrote:
         | This is 100% what I think of. I have no idea what this company
         | does but the name is terrible and terrible names kill good
         | companies.
        
           | nerdponx wrote:
           | As I understand, it's a reference to the Hugging Face emoji,
           | which is supposed to be a kind of emblem for the complexity
           | and promise of natural language processing. Or something like
           | that, anyway.
        
       | hwers wrote:
       | Both seem like such weird products to me. As soon as you build
       | something that people would find useful the thing becomes
       | unusable with a 10 day queue since apps are only granted CPU
       | resources. The only reason I see for the flood of people making
       | thing on there is the heavy amount somewhat annoying amount of
       | attention they grab for on twitter etc. Just a weird thing in my
       | eyes.
        
         | abidlabs wrote:
         | If I (as a Gradio founder) can offer a different perspective:
         | most apps on Hugging Face Spaces are not designed for
         | production-level traffic. Instead, it might be a researcher who
         | wants to share a demo of their model for reproducibility
         | purposes, a student who's built a class project, or a hobbyist
         | interested in building out a portfolio. For most of these
         | projects, writing a simple gradio application and hosting on
         | Spaces is the easiest way to share their machine learning
         | model.
        
       | GrayShade wrote:
       | Mostly unrelated, but that sketch recognition demo on the landing
       | page is worse [1] than the Xerox photocopier firmware from a
       | while back [2].
       | 
       | EDIT: to be fair, it does work slightly better on mobile.
       | 
       | [1]: https://imgur.com/a/pZMNiIU.
       | 
       | [2]: https://www.dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/0802_xerox-
       | workcentres...
        
         | abidlabs wrote:
         | Asking for clarification so that we can improve it -- is it
         | that the UI is not usable, or is that the model predicts things
         | inaccurately? If it's the latter, it might say more about the
         | model (a convolutional network with high accuracy on the MNIST
         | dataset) than Gradio
        
           | BasilPH wrote:
           | The UI is fine. The model seems to struggle with me drawing 6
           | on desktop.
           | 
           | Reading "Sketch Recognition" I was expecting something akin
           | to Google draw which recognises objects like cars and trees.
           | The digit classifier is of course fine, but I felt a bit
           | disappointed when I realised it "only" does numbers. I also
           | think it's the least impressive of the demos you have.
        
           | PeterisP wrote:
           | Probably not even the model, but the preprocessing - MNIST-
           | trained models expect all the digits to have the same
           | preprocessing that MNIST had (because that's all they saw),
           | so if you apply a MNIST-optimized model directly to user-
           | generated input without e.g. resizing and re-centering the
           | images (or, alternatively, a "robustized" model trained with
           | various data augmentations), then you're going to have
           | horrible results.
        
         | BasilPH wrote:
         | Came here to say the same. When I draw a 6 on desktop, it
         | doesn't even show up in the list of candidates.
        
       | aliabd wrote:
       | We posted gradio as a Show HN mid 2020 [1] :) Got a lot of good
       | feedback and have been slowly growing ever since!
       | 
       | [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23901834
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | abidlabs wrote:
         | Particularly, one of the most useful feedback we heard early on
         | was adding support for rendering the GUI in jupyter/colab
         | notebooks. Extremely common use case (that also allowed us to
         | distinguish ourselves from some competitors)
        
       | nilsbunger wrote:
       | I got to work with the Gradio founders as an early investor. They
       | are a fantastic ML team, and they really leaned into doing lots
       | of customer outreach to find their market. Congrats to Abu,
       | Ali^2, Dawood, and the team; well-deserved and excited for the
       | next phase of your journey.
        
         | abidlabs wrote:
         | Very grateful to you and Pear for the all the lessons on
         | talking to customers. Will remember for a long time!
        
         | aliabd wrote:
         | Thank you Nils! We were very fortunate to work with you and all
         | of the awesome people at Pear!
        
       | Reubend wrote:
       | Forgive me for the somewhat disparaging comment, but Gradio's
       | product seems very basic to be. Can anyone shed some light on why
       | HF felt the need to acquire them, rather than to just build their
       | own version? Is there really so much complexity there that it was
       | quicker to just acquire?
        
         | oh_sigh wrote:
         | Consider that they could have been bought for $1.
        
         | roseway4 wrote:
         | Possibly an acquihire? Pure conjecture: They may have had
         | difficulty competing with Streamlit[0] and decided to throw in
         | the towel.
         | 
         | [0] https://streamlit.io/
        
         | andreyk wrote:
         | Gradio is already integrated to some extent to HF's platform,
         | and nothing is as trivial to build as it seems. So it just made
         | sense to buy an existing refined solution and to hit the ground
         | running rather than build from scratch.
        
         | nerdponx wrote:
         | Maybe it's an "acqui-hire".
        
         | laGrenouille wrote:
         | I agree about the product; perhaps they were acquired for the
         | people rather than the actual IP. Would make sense from that
         | perspective for HF, which has leaned strongly in the text
         | direction, if they want to expand in the AI space.
        
           | minimaxir wrote:
           | HF has expanded beyond text into image/video; gradio can do
           | multimedia I/O.
        
       | FL33TW00D wrote:
       | This was a given if you follow this space closely - surprised it
       | took this long.
        
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