[HN Gopher] Fish sausages: Ugandan CEO taps into demand
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       Fish sausages: Ugandan CEO taps into demand
        
       Author : jkuria
       Score  : 53 points
       Date   : 2021-12-19 20:05 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | darth_avocado wrote:
       | I always worry about our oceans. We farm them as if there is a
       | limitless supply and our actions have no consequences. Frankly
       | African consumption is probably nowhere close to what the west
       | has an appetite for or some of the Asian countries have. Can only
       | wonder about what happens when the consumption goes up in other
       | parts of the world including Africa.
        
         | markdown wrote:
         | > We farm them as if there is a limitless supply and our
         | actions have no consequences.
         | 
         | Farm isn't quite the correct word. All we do is take.
        
           | Reason077 wrote:
           | This story is about farmed fish (ie: fish raised in man made,
           | fresh water fish ponds/tanks). Not wild fish taken from the
           | sea.
        
         | Reason077 wrote:
         | To be clear, this story is about farmed fish from inland,
         | fresh-water fish farms. No sea involved. Fish farms can still
         | cause pollution, of course, but if well managed they should be
         | no worse than any other farm.
        
           | ulnarkressty wrote:
           | ...unless the feed comes from their nearby coast --
           | 
           | https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/08/fish-
           | farming-i...
           | 
           | (google translated from German) --
           | 
           | https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/ausland/gambia-
           | chinas-...
        
           | ceejayoz wrote:
           | Depends to some extent what they're feeding the fish.
           | 
           | Some farmed fish are fed wild-caught fishmeal and fish oil
           | from smaller fish.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forage_fish#Use_as_animal_feed
        
         | ed25519FUUU wrote:
         | Agree but the small independent fish farmers in Africa are not
         | to blame. These are like 1 or 2 people operations. Really
         | nothing compared to the ocean raiding by western and eastern
         | fishing vessels.
        
         | lainga wrote:
         | Well, we did until the mid-90s. North Atlantic fishing hasn't
         | been as unregulated as to presume "limitless supply" for about
         | 30 years.
        
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       | armchairhacker wrote:
       | Honestly I would love to buy ground haddock or salmon at the
       | supermarket. _Especially_ if they can produce it cheaper than
       | frozen fish.
       | 
       | But why haven't fish sausages etc. been created before? I imagine
       | there are logistic challenges and reasons why ground fish is kind
       | of a dumb idea especially vs. frozen fish. Like i bet ground
       | salmon would go bad much quicker than frozen salmon, and it
       | wouldn't get a nice texture and cook nice like ground beef or
       | turkey.
        
         | beambot wrote:
         | Surimi already exists & is quite common for ground fish
        
         | hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
         | Fish sausages have been created before. They are pretty common
         | here. I live in the Northeastern US, and big regional grocer
         | here carries a couple different types. Most of the local
         | sausage shops have an offering or two as well. Fish sausage is
         | big in Asia too, they have all sorts of fish balls and even
         | NOODLES. Both are essentially a firm fish sausage without a
         | casing.
        
         | TchoBeer wrote:
         | There's an Ashkenazi Jewish dish called Gefilte fish that's a
         | fish sausage. I doubt it's uniquely Jewish, so it's definitely
         | a thing.
        
         | futharkshill wrote:
         | they sell ground fish at every Danish supermarket
        
         | Reason077 wrote:
         | Try a Korean grocer for fish sausages. They seem to be a
         | popular thing there. I've bought some before in London - tasty
         | but quite "processed".
        
         | ed25519FUUU wrote:
         | I've had fish cakes before, especially in Japanese and Chinese
         | soups. Not sure why nobody made the leap to sausage.
        
         | senkora wrote:
         | This seems quite similar to fishcake. Maybe the difference is
         | having a casing?
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishcake
        
           | dv_dt wrote:
           | Yup there are also related fish ball products
           | 
           | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_ball
        
         | kyruzic wrote:
         | They do exist. Fish sticks are fish sausages. You can buy
         | actual sausage shaped fish sausages at any asian market as
         | well.
        
         | cco wrote:
         | Fish sausage is already pretty popular. McDonald's Filet-o-
         | fish, salmon cakes, fish sticks etc are all _roughly_ sausage.
         | I suppose it depends on how strongly you feel about the casing
         | part of the sausage definition, but for my money "ground up
         | meat (and binders) in a shape" captures the essence of sausage
         | well enough.
        
           | spoonjim wrote:
           | Filet o Fish isn't ground up.
        
             | goldenkey wrote:
             | It tastes like it is. ;-)
        
         | ip26 wrote:
         | Fish doesn't seem to preserve that well. Even smoked salmon
         | only lasts a little while. This doesn't prevent you from making
         | fresh sausage, but the fresh sausage market is not very big.
        
           | belorn wrote:
           | Growing up with parents that were small scale fishermen, I
           | grow up recognizing that the store bought fish taste and
           | smell was actually just fish that people hasn't manage well
           | enough to keep fresh. Most of the catch we got was actually
           | alive when we came back from the lake, and then generally
           | imminently gutted, fillet, and put in the freezer.
           | 
           | Smoke salmon is an other thing that really should not be in
           | fridge temperature for more than a few days, I would say max
           | 5-7 days from when it was smoked. Smoked salmon freeze well
           | through, and one can also grind up smoked salmon that has
           | been frozen to make quite nice Pate and other dishes.
           | Naturally, if the fish was mishandled before it was smoked
           | then the result is likely to be bad also.
           | 
           | Fish at the supermarket is really hard to determine how long
           | it been unfrozen, or how many times the fish got thawed and
           | refrozen during processing, or if all the people involved
           | between has been handling the fish with the care needed to
           | not allowing the rotting process from starting.
        
         | Ekaros wrote:
         | I wonder how palatable the structure, mouth feel and bite is.
         | Seasoning is unlikely to be issue, but the rest are quite
         | critical for sausage eating experience.
        
         | riazrizvi wrote:
         | It's a characteristic of the food industry, which is shaped by
         | business practices where big names will only sell their (fish
         | finger) product next to acceptable other products that don't
         | challenge their brand, in combination with the high bar of
         | meeting food regulations to protect consumers which makes it
         | hard to invent processed food and of also getting consumers to
         | try new food things. Not many people are food adventurous
         | especially for fish type produce which is high risk.
        
           | vkou wrote:
           | What makes fish type produce high risk? Given that fish don't
           | share as much biology with us as mammals do, I thought that
           | there are far fewer fish parasites that can both survive
           | cooking, and are harmful to humans.
           | 
           | Is the concern here that fish spoils faster?
        
         | weare138 wrote:
         | >But why haven't fish sausages etc. been created before?
         | 
         | Apparently they have been. Google fish sausage or seafood
         | sausage. There's a ton of recipes and there's other vendors
         | selling them. To be honest I hadn't heard of them until now but
         | it seems to be a thing.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | That's a cool story. Always good to hear about successes like
       | this.
       | 
       | I would find Nile Perch fish sausages good.
       | 
       | Nile Perch are pretty awesome fish[0] (but they are an aggressive
       | introduced species). Many American fisher[wo]men have no idea
       | what they're missing.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_perch
        
       | wly_cdgr wrote:
       | As someone who has tried fish sausages, I just wanna say...anyone
       | who thinks there's a strong demand for fish sausages hasn't tried
       | fish sausages
        
         | ajkjk wrote:
         | Perhaps there are different kinds? If they are anything like
         | fish balls, I can imagine they're good in some dishes, although
         | perhaps not appetizing on their own.
        
         | AussieWog93 wrote:
         | >fush sausages
         | 
         | Is that a Kiwi thing?
        
       | hannyaharamita wrote:
       | Fish sausages are sold in Japan, and these are a finely
       | emulsified sausage of fish with pork fat.
       | 
       | Run the Japanese Wikipedia page through a translator for more
       | background:
       | https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AD%9A%E8%82%89%E3%82%BD%...
       | 
       | This is a graph of fish sausage production 1953-2020
       | https://www.jca-can.or.jp/~sausage/tokei-htm/ in Japanese, left
       | axis is tons.
       | 
       | I've translated a 1939 paper on fish sausage and whale ham
       | production methods, comment if interested.
        
         | cardosof wrote:
         | Why the decline after 1970?
        
       | weare138 wrote:
       | Those sound good. I want to try it.
        
       | ed25519FUUU wrote:
       | Good for her. Sounds like she nailed a market need and got the
       | timing right.
       | 
       | Now you just gotta stay ahead. There's no patent protection for
       | things like fish sausage so there will be a lot of challengers in
       | the space.
        
       | pcrh wrote:
       | Fish sausages are the kind of thing you wonder why it never
       | existed before...
       | 
       | Although fish sticks, similarly are processed fish meat, have
       | been around for a while.
        
         | rjsw wrote:
         | Fish sticks (fish fingers) are not processed all that much. A
         | crab stick [1] is maybe closer to a sausage in the amount of
         | processing that has been done.
         | 
         | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_stick
        
       | vittore wrote:
       | I remember it was a thing back when I was a kid back in soviet
       | union. Fish sausage and fish links. Ah we also had Fish Day -
       | every Thursday.
        
       | 1cvmask wrote:
       | Product market fit, then hustle and then free press = profitable
       | business everywhere in the world.
        
       | rexreed wrote:
       | There is a similar initiative to turn invasive fish species such
       | as Snakehead fish into "fish donuts". Solves two problems at
       | once. Probably would work as well as fish sausages:
       | https://designawards.core77.com/speculative-design/108041/Ec...
        
       | bserge wrote:
       | Speaking of food, dried corn snacks are practically non existent
       | even though they're great with beer (also dried bread snacks).
       | 
       | Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour baked/fried
       | into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet you never heard
       | of it.
       | 
       | Also, in the UK, they don't have dried fish/octopus snacks in
       | pubs! A fucking island nation! It's the same old peanuts
       | everywhere, come on!
       | 
       | Actually, that's most of Europe. Dried fish with beer is quite
       | popular in Asia and even Russia.
       | 
       | Quite literally a multimillion dollar market right there.
       | 
       | On the ocean food issue: They've been in terminal decline for a
       | while now. The future of seafood is farming. Today, half of the
       | fish for human consumption is already farmed. Shame about the
       | less farmable species.
        
         | mastazi wrote:
         | > I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack,
         | 
         | Those are quite common, they are called nacho chips or nachos,
         | usually in a triangular shape.
         | 
         | > Dried fish with beer is quite popular in Asia and even
         | Russia.
         | 
         | Besides beer, many types of fish-based chips are popular in
         | Asia, I remember my daughter snacking on the when we were still
         | living in Thailand. By the way they are not that hard to find
         | in the West (you will have to visit an Asian food store).
         | 
         | Another type of chips that are not popular in the West, but
         | absolutely delicious are dried seaweed chips (they are similar
         | to the nori seaweed that wraps sushi, but dried).
        
         | smabie wrote:
         | > Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour
         | baked/fried into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet
         | you never heard of it.
         | 
         | Doritos, fritos, cheetos, nachos, tortilla chips, etc? It's
         | very popular..
        
           | solraph wrote:
           | You'd be amazed how insular some people in the developed
           | world can be. I had a house mate who moved from a major UK
           | city to the other side of the world, but in her late twenties
           | had never in her life eaten rice.
           | 
           | Rice!
        
         | TulliusCicero wrote:
         | > Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour
         | baked/fried into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet
         | you never heard of it.
         | 
         | You've never heard of tortilla chips? Or the brand name
         | Doritos?
        
           | NavinF wrote:
           | I'm pretty sure he was joking. On the off chance that's not
           | the case, I'm really curious what country he's from.
        
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