[HN Gopher] Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022
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       Google to end support for OnHub routers in 2022
        
       Author : sahaj
       Score  : 44 points
       Date   : 2021-12-20 22:16 UTC (44 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (support.google.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (support.google.com)
        
       | jeffbee wrote:
       | Abstractly bogus, but on a rational analysis my TP-Link OnHub has
       | already lasted wayyyyyyy longer than any other access point I've
       | ever owned. Its predecessor, an ASUS RT-N66U, lasted barely two
       | years.
        
       | qmarchi wrote:
       | In case anyone wants it, here's how to root a TP-Link OnHub.
       | They're essentially glorified chromebooks, with some magic sauce
       | on them.
       | 
       | https://www.exploitee.rs/index.php/Rooting_The_Google_OnHub
       | 
       | Dis: Googler, not near Nest/Home
        
       | CaliforniaKarl wrote:
       | > Since OnHub routers were introduced 6 years ago...
       | 
       | I'm curious, does anyone know when the product stopped being
       | sold?
        
         | mnd999 wrote:
         | Amazon still has them on sale. Google still promotes them -
         | https://on.google.com/hub/?main=retail
        
           | makerofspoons wrote:
           | How scummy, not even a banner saying that support is ending.
        
             | pvarangot wrote:
             | It's worse than that, this ones haven't even had security
             | patches for a while.
        
             | andybak wrote:
             | Let's all buy one and join a class action.
        
         | Spivak wrote:
         | You can still buy the TP-Link one new on Amazon
         | 
         | https://www.amazon.com/Google-WiFi-Router-TP-Link-Managed/dp...
        
         | akaij wrote:
         | I think it was 2018, because that's when I was looking for a
         | way to install OpenWRT on it.
        
       | bochoh wrote:
       | I could see them doing this if they hadn't already migrated the
       | OnHub devices to the new google home app that controls the new
       | Nest WiFi devices. It's not like the control plane is going away
       | here - the hard work of migrating to their new cloud has already
       | been done.
        
       | lgleason wrote:
       | It is stuff like this, where they take perfectly usable hardware
       | and turn it into a paperweight that exposes the hypocrisy of any
       | of their pro environment/green talk. The right thing to do would
       | be to give us the option of uploading firmware that allows us to
       | update settings etc. after that date like is done with older
       | routers.
        
         | quaintdev wrote:
         | On their search page they mention that they have been carbon
         | neutral since 2007.
         | 
         | I had like to ask them what about the millions of perfectly
         | usable phones that had to be ditched because of Android and the
         | vendor lock ins.
        
           | 14 wrote:
           | Carbon neutral is not the same as filling the landfill with
           | plastic and electronic waste. Just because they use solar
           | power for energy has little to do with other environmental
           | impacts.
        
           | bragr wrote:
           | The answer is carbon offsets
           | 
           | Whether carbon offsets actually work is another issue though
        
       | wtallis wrote:
       | "End support" as used in the headline apparently means turning
       | off various cloud and smartphone dependent features, which I
       | think includes basically all management features. Software
       | updates (including security patches) are already stopped, so any
       | remaining users should plan to migrate to either new hardware or
       | an alternative OS sooner rather than later.
        
       | intricatedetail wrote:
       | When a company stops supporting the product, should they release
       | source code so community can support it? If it turns out the
       | product is unsafe through unfixed security holes should you be
       | able to get a refund?
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Maybe.. OnHub has a command-and-control network in the cloud,
         | with which you interact using the Home (formerly: Wifi) app on
         | your mobile. I guess they are ending support for OnHub control
         | protocols in the cloud. So you'd need to replace the software
         | in the router such that it could be controlled some other way.
        
       | ms7m wrote:
       | > You won't be able to update things like Wi-Fi network settings,
       | add additional Wifi devices, or run speed tests.
       | 
       | Wow, I'm not familiar if users are forced to use the Google Home
       | app, but that seems a bit drastic to stop users from even
       | changing the most basic settings?
        
         | matt_heimer wrote:
         | The dedicated apps are being discontinued across the board. I
         | have Google mesh Wifi system and get told that "Your network
         | was migrated to the Home app" when launching the Google Wifi
         | app. You can continue and it still works so far. You can also
         | use the Google Home app now if you want to manage your wifi
         | settings with a worse UX.
         | 
         | Edit: Being forced to use an app is not new. If you visit your
         | routers ip address you get a single page that links to the app
         | for the app stores. Funny enough it still links to the Google
         | Wifi app and not the Google Home app.
        
         | akaij wrote:
         | > I'm not familiar if users are forced to use the Google Home
         | app
         | 
         | Yup.
         | 
         | On a related note: I haven't been able to find a way to root it
         | for OpenWRT. Does anyone know of any resource, other than the
         | OpenWRT website, that could be helpful?
        
           | aagha wrote:
           | Seems some work is happening on this:
           | 
           | https://openwrt.org/inbox/toh/google/google_wifi
        
             | akaij wrote:
             | If I'm reading correctly, that page is for the newer
             | "Google WiFi" products, which are different.
        
       | tandr wrote:
       | Oh Google... People do not care when it was introduced - people
       | care for support from the time when the last one got sold!
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | The TP-Link OnHub is still for sale on Newegg right now. I
         | don't see how Google can control the behavior of retailers of
         | 3rd-party hardware.
        
           | tandr wrote:
           | They still advertise it on their own website
           | https://on.google.com/hub/?main=retail , so they expect it to
           | be still selling.
        
           | wtallis wrote:
           | > I don't see how Google can control the behavior of
           | retailers of 3rd-party hardware.
           | 
           | That hardware bears trademarks that Google controls, so it's
           | not purely a third-party product. Google may not be able to
           | prevent retailers from selling off their remaining stock, but
           | they should at least be able to prevent the manufacturers
           | from sending any more to retailers, and inform retailers that
           | the products are discontinued.
        
             | jeffbee wrote:
             | TP-Link EOL'd this thing many years ago.
        
           | ClumsyPilot wrote:
           | How come smaller companies like Zyxel and Asus have solved
           | this problem decades ago? Maybe because they support their
           | hardware for years after they stopped producing?
           | 
           | Why do you feel the need to make up excuses for billion
           | dollar company with increadible amount of resources,
           | pretwnding they can't solve a trivial problem?
        
       | ay wrote:
       | And that is why the very first thing every new WiFi router in my
       | household gets is a fresh installation of OpenWRT in place of
       | whatever vendor software it has.
       | 
       | And I look at compatibility matrix before buying it.
       | 
       | This strategy has worked very well. I upgrade on _my_ terms.
        
       | eloop wrote:
       | And they expect people to buy hardware from them in the future?
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | aagha wrote:
       | What utter BS!
       | 
       | > "After that, your router will still work, but it will not
       | receive any new software features or security updates, and
       | performance cannot be guaranteed. You will not be able to use any
       | Google Home app features to do things like update network
       | settings, add devices, or run speed tests. And Google Assistant
       | commands like "Hey Google, pause my Wi-Fi" will also not be
       | available." [0]
       | 
       | It'll work, but you won't be able to control it in any way!
       | 
       | 0 - From the email I received telling me support was ending
        
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