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       Titanpointe: The NSA's spy hub in New York, hidden in plain sight
       (2016)
        
       Author : KoftaBob
       Score  : 85 points
       Date   : 2021-12-21 19:46 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (theintercept.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (theintercept.com)
        
       | LatteLazy wrote:
       | Off topic but...
       | 
       | If I ran an NSA secret spy hub, it wouldn't be called
       | Titanpointe. It would be called something less ridiculous and
       | more mundane like "John's Computer Services". I'd be embarrassed
       | when a name like that kept appearing on documents or for brought
       | up in meetings.
        
         | BitwiseFool wrote:
         | Remember the "Nothing is Beyond Our Reach" mission patch?
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-247
         | 
         | I sense the people running these things don't care as much as
         | they used to about blending in.
        
         | tenebrisalietum wrote:
         | So what if the name leaks and some hapless computer-unsavvy
         | person happens to call John's Computer Services to help him get
         | rid of the 32 rows of IE toolbars on his Pentium IV-based PC
         | running Windows Vista?
         | 
         | At least Titanpointe sounds like a government codename and
         | something vaguely menacing that you shouldn't really mess with.
        
       | bastardoperator wrote:
       | I just assume every MMR in every data center/building is an NSA
       | hub.
        
         | BitwiseFool wrote:
         | The NSA is actually it's own layer in the OSI model. They won't
         | teach you about this in school, though, but there are even more
         | than 7 layers.... /s
        
       | JumpCrisscross wrote:
       | Describing it as "hidden" is a bit sensational. I don't think I
       | can walk past it in a group without someone throwing out this
       | factoid. It's also unapologetic about what it is--no fake windows
       | or any of that garbage.
        
         | low_key wrote:
         | If you zoom into it on Google maps, it's labeled as "NSA
         | Building".
        
       | labster wrote:
       | There's a great piece of _Ghostbusters_ fanfic about this
       | building: _NYNEX, Embedded Angel of New York City_
       | 
       | https://www.bldgblog.com/2009/06/nynex-embedded-angel-of-new...
        
       | victorbstan wrote:
       | The Oldest House
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Discussed (a bit) at the time:
       | 
       |  _The NSA's Spy Hub in New York, Hidden in Plain Sight_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12970683 - Nov 2016 (3
       | comments)
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | NovemberWhiskey wrote:
       | Anyone who has played Control will have a bit of deja-vu.
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | The architecture in that game is really beautiful, though I
         | admit the brutalist look isn't for everyone. Neither was the
         | gunplay or story, in my opinion, but I did have a load of fun
         | exploring the moody, minimalist interiors of the game. It
         | reminded me of the stark, arena-styled level design of old-
         | school shooters like Half Life and Quake with much more modern
         | lighting and linear storytelling.
         | 
         | Quite a bit of fun! Getting it to run on my aged GTX 1050Ti, on
         | the other hand...
        
       | airstrike wrote:
       | I'm more appalled by the need to lousily tape this 72pt Calibri
       | label on what is indubitably an intercom at the entrance of an
       | "intelligence" agency:
       | 
       | https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/11/st...
        
         | bobthepanda wrote:
         | It's also an AT&T building.
         | 
         | It's possible that under it is a Ma Bell logo or something
         | ancient from the long, crazy corporate history of American
         | telecoms.
        
       | adolph wrote:
       | _33 Thomas Street (formerly the AT &T Long Lines Building) is a
       | 550-foot-tall (170 m) windowless skyscraper in Tribeca, Lower
       | Manhattan, New York City. It stands on the east side of Church
       | Street, between Thomas Street and Worth Street. The building is
       | an example of the Brutalist architectural style. It is a
       | telephone exchange or wire center building which contained three
       | major 4ESS switches used for interexchange (long distance)
       | telephony, as well as a number of other switches used for
       | competitive local exchange carrier services. However, it is not
       | used for incumbent local exchange carrier services, and is not a
       | central office. The CLLI code for this facility is NYCMNYBW. The
       | building has also been described as the likely location of a
       | National Security Agency (NSA) mass surveillance hub codenamed
       | TITANPOINTE._
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_Thomas_Street
        
         | yodon wrote:
         | A fifty story windowless concrete building that's genuinely
         | attractive. Not at all what I expected to discover on the
         | Wikipedia page.
        
           | ginko wrote:
           | How is it attractive? It looks extremely oppressive.
           | 
           | I remember coming by that building while walking through
           | Manhattan by chance and thinking this must be some government
           | surveillance center or something.
        
             | Barrin92 wrote:
             | >How is it attractive? It looks extremely oppressive.
             | 
             | not really mutually exclusive. More positive description
             | would be that it looks imposing. Also it's in a sense
             | aesthetically honest because it reflects what it does
             | openly, which is rare for surveillance infrastructure and
             | even kind of ironic
             | 
             | I find the opposite to be unattractive, which is this sort
             | of Silicon Valley HQ childish design where surveillance and
             | power is hidden behind rainbow colored ping pong tables and
             | so on
        
             | boomskats wrote:
             | Attractiveness is entirely subjective by definition.
             | 
             | I personally find it a very attractive building. Much like
             | the Barbican Estate or the National Theatre in London.
        
             | Lammy wrote:
             | I can totally understand why one would dislike it, but
             | personally I'm a huge huge fan. My favorite features:
             | 
             | - the lack of glass gives the granite facade lots of space
             | to shine.
             | 
             | - the off-center elevator shafts on the building's two long
             | sides prevents the entire building from being disorienting
             | at street-level: https://i.imgur.com/DQdWQ36.jpg
             | 
             | - the round-rect vent windows contrast with the sharp lines
             | of the granite they're cut from, echoing an overall theme
             | of natural skin versus high-tech innards just like the
             | granite itself versus all the telecom gear inside:
             | https://i.imgur.com/BQmYnuw.jpg
             | 
             | - the re-use of the roundrect windows to hide the former
             | Long Lines microwave horn antennas on the roof of the
             | building, coupled with a Disneyland-style perspective trick
             | where the microwave windows are double the height of the
             | vent windows so they look identically-square when you're on
             | the street looking up: https://i.imgur.com/6TYn6Ug.jpg
             | 
             | Absolutely gorgeous building, probably my favorite in the
             | entire city <3
        
               | AlanYx wrote:
               | The roundrects give the design a deep kind of uncanny
               | valley effect for me. They suggest some kind of human
               | characteristic, either a hooded face or an orifice of
               | some type, depending on the angle that you look at the
               | building. From street level (e.g., your first
               | photograph), it's like a series of six hooded figures,
               | with another six hooded figures towering over those
               | figures or standing on their backs.
        
               | Lammy wrote:
               | > it's like a series of six hooded figures, with another
               | six hooded figures towering over those figures
               | 
               | Yeah I can see it, especially with the "33" street
               | address. Druids love that shit, like 555 Cal:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555_California_Street
        
             | quantum_state wrote:
             | Indeed it looks very oppressive, reminding people of the
             | Big Brother and other similar regimes in history ...
        
           | goodpoint wrote:
           | It looks oppressive and dystopian to the point of surreal.
        
           | dexzod wrote:
           | They could have put some fake windows to make it look normal.
           | They do this with data center buildings in my city.
        
             | kingcharles wrote:
             | A jail I was held in has tinted glass windows all the way
             | around it to make it look like a modern office building,
             | but behind the glass... 99% wall.
        
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             | bobthepanda wrote:
             | This was built during modernism, when architects developed
             | an allergic reaction to what they considered excessive
             | frivolity in ornamentation.
             | 
             | They did this to the Verizon tower in Lower Manhattan, and
             | arguably I think it looks worse than the old design.
             | https://www.6sqft.com/skyline-blights-ugly-verizon-
             | building-...
        
       | fnord77 wrote:
       | when I lived in NYC in the 90s there were rumors I heard from
       | telecom guys that the NSA was in that building.
        
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