[HN Gopher] Designed to Last ___________________________________________________________________ Designed to Last Author : smoyer Score : 75 points Date : 2021-12-23 14:11 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (jeffhuang.com) (TXT) w3m dump (jeffhuang.com) | arendtio wrote: | > Designed to Last | | Well, I hope Jeff didn't put too much time into finding the color | pallet. I don't want to be negative, but this background color | just makes we want to run away/close the page. | | Maybe these links which I collected over the years can be | helpful: | | - https://www.colorcombos.com | | - https://paletton.com | | - https://blog.datawrapper.de/beautifulcolors/ | | - https://design.lyft.com/re-approaching-color-9e604ba22c88 | (ColorBox) | chihuahua wrote: | The orange color seems quite harmless, and the text is still | black on white. Plus you can get the orange borders to go away | by resizing the window. So I really don't see the problem. | toomim wrote: | Wow, that's funny. I really _enjoyed_ the colors he chose! It | must be a matter of taste. | lelandfe wrote: | There's no fundamental problem with the color chosen, so those | last two probably won't be of much use. Anyway, I have no | problems with the background. Curious you had that visceral of | a reaction | ffe4b5 wrote: | A browser extension to archive pages: https://github.com/gildas- | lormeau/SingleFile | panic wrote: | One way to keep something alive for a long time is to make many | copies of it in different places. What if every time a website | linked to something static (like an article, puzzle, or | tutorial), it saved a local copy and made a link to that copy | available as well? More inbound links would mean more longevity | instead of more fragility. | canadianwriter wrote: | I think about this often and it's very scary to me. I wrote a | whole article on how I try to achieve longevity. | | https://kolemcrae.com/notebook/longevity.html | | I also switched my whole site to pure html and css, but it | depends on Bootstrap, which maybe is something I should remove | and only add the classes I use. | jsmith99 wrote: | So long as you use pre compiled bootstrap and host it yourself, | I don't see how it's a longevity threat. | threatofrain wrote: | IMO this feels like a somewhat random brainstorm about how to | keep an older vision of the web. For example, why focus on | behind-the-scenes dev process? What % of indie sites die due to | dev build process? Very hard to know and Jeff doesn't provide any | edge on insight over this problem. Without knowing that, focusing | on things like whether to use git (???) and whether you compress | your site... seems confusing. | | > And how should your version control that file? Should you use | git? Shove them in an 'old/' folder? Well I like the simple | approach of naming old files with the date they are retired, like | index.20191213.html. | | Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project: | | https://irchiver.com | lazyjeff wrote: | It's a fair critique. But I think the maintenance and | dependencies for a website are the main reason a lot of them | die off (basically, the owner giving up on it because the cost | to keep it up is higher than the value it provides the owner). | Intentionally killing a website seems rare to me otherwise. | | > whether you compress your site | | It's actually a comment against minimizing the html/css | content, which makes it unreadable and adds an extra step in | your toolchain (another point of failure). | | > Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project | | I did add that link recently as it's related, but I wrote this | Designed to Last article 2 years before irchiver. See the | previous discussion at | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21840140 | danuker wrote: | The Irchiver project has great ideas ("seeing is keeping"). | Does anyone know a similar tool for Linux or a browser | extension? | lazyjeff wrote: | irchiver author here. So I investigated for a long time | whether a browser extension is possible for automatically | screenshotting a page. It turns out it's not because of the | limitations of browser extensions themselves, and from the | way WebExtensions are going, it will never be. | | I've only found a way to do this on Windows right now (since | Windows 8.1) due to an undocumented flag that lets you | capture images from the browser even with hardware | acceleration on (which is the default). Though I trust | Microsoft to maintain backwards compatibility even for | undocumented features indefinitely. | chaostheory wrote: | If you're worried about future dead links, you could just use the | pinboard bookmarking service with the archive website plan... | Veen wrote: | Gwern has written about link archiving to combat link rot, but | his system seems more complex than most people would want to | bother with. | | https://www.gwern.net/Archiving-URLs | skyfaller wrote: | That seems like an understatement. If your link archiving | system somehow relies on Bitcoin(?!) it may be too | complicated. | post-it wrote: | They use Bitcoin to save hashes of the webpages in case | they need to prove that they saved a page on a particular | date (though I don't see how they could prove that the page | they saved is the page that was actually online). That's a | pretty sensible use of what are essentially NFTs. | foodbag wrote: | I like the sound of "Don't minimize that HTML". It'd be nice if | the HTML of webpages was more transparent. | | > Well, you don't save much because your web pages should be | gzipped before being sent over the network, so preemptively | shrinking your content probably doesn't do much to save bandwidth | if anything at all. | | Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify + gzip | saves over just gzip? | spurgu wrote: | > Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify + | gzip saves over just gzip? | | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/807119/gzip-versus-minif... | datagram wrote: | Decided to try it out using the source for this page as an | example, with kangax's HTML minifier | (https://kangax.github.io/html-minifier/) | | Uncompressed, Unminified: 16,979B Uncompressed, Minified: | 16,316B Ccompressed, Unminified: 7676B Compressed, Minified: | 7535B | | So minifying before compressing saves an extra 141 bytes, but | the vast majority of the size savings are from Gzip | sharps_xp wrote: | i share the same mindset as i really miss traveling but the only | way to explore places to go when i'm abroad is yelp, google maps, | and my own excel sheet. all of which are very slow on | international sim cards or in remote areas. i'm thinking about | building my own yelp-like site which is just static content on a | cdn, images would by default show the "alt" text with an option | to download the image. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-12-23 23:00 UTC)