[HN Gopher] Designed to Last
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       Designed to Last
        
       Author : smoyer
       Score  : 75 points
       Date   : 2021-12-23 14:11 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (jeffhuang.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (jeffhuang.com)
        
       | arendtio wrote:
       | > Designed to Last
       | 
       | Well, I hope Jeff didn't put too much time into finding the color
       | pallet. I don't want to be negative, but this background color
       | just makes we want to run away/close the page.
       | 
       | Maybe these links which I collected over the years can be
       | helpful:
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       | - https://www.colorcombos.com
       | 
       | - https://paletton.com
       | 
       | - https://blog.datawrapper.de/beautifulcolors/
       | 
       | - https://design.lyft.com/re-approaching-color-9e604ba22c88
       | (ColorBox)
        
         | chihuahua wrote:
         | The orange color seems quite harmless, and the text is still
         | black on white. Plus you can get the orange borders to go away
         | by resizing the window. So I really don't see the problem.
        
         | toomim wrote:
         | Wow, that's funny. I really _enjoyed_ the colors he chose! It
         | must be a matter of taste.
        
         | lelandfe wrote:
         | There's no fundamental problem with the color chosen, so those
         | last two probably won't be of much use. Anyway, I have no
         | problems with the background. Curious you had that visceral of
         | a reaction
        
       | ffe4b5 wrote:
       | A browser extension to archive pages: https://github.com/gildas-
       | lormeau/SingleFile
        
       | panic wrote:
       | One way to keep something alive for a long time is to make many
       | copies of it in different places. What if every time a website
       | linked to something static (like an article, puzzle, or
       | tutorial), it saved a local copy and made a link to that copy
       | available as well? More inbound links would mean more longevity
       | instead of more fragility.
        
       | canadianwriter wrote:
       | I think about this often and it's very scary to me. I wrote a
       | whole article on how I try to achieve longevity.
       | 
       | https://kolemcrae.com/notebook/longevity.html
       | 
       | I also switched my whole site to pure html and css, but it
       | depends on Bootstrap, which maybe is something I should remove
       | and only add the classes I use.
        
         | jsmith99 wrote:
         | So long as you use pre compiled bootstrap and host it yourself,
         | I don't see how it's a longevity threat.
        
       | threatofrain wrote:
       | IMO this feels like a somewhat random brainstorm about how to
       | keep an older vision of the web. For example, why focus on
       | behind-the-scenes dev process? What % of indie sites die due to
       | dev build process? Very hard to know and Jeff doesn't provide any
       | edge on insight over this problem. Without knowing that, focusing
       | on things like whether to use git (???) and whether you compress
       | your site... seems confusing.
       | 
       | > And how should your version control that file? Should you use
       | git? Shove them in an 'old/' folder? Well I like the simple
       | approach of naming old files with the date they are retired, like
       | index.20191213.html.
       | 
       | Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project:
       | 
       | https://irchiver.com
        
         | lazyjeff wrote:
         | It's a fair critique. But I think the maintenance and
         | dependencies for a website are the main reason a lot of them
         | die off (basically, the owner giving up on it because the cost
         | to keep it up is higher than the value it provides the owner).
         | Intentionally killing a website seems rare to me otherwise.
         | 
         | > whether you compress your site
         | 
         | It's actually a comment against minimizing the html/css
         | content, which makes it unreadable and adds an extra step in
         | your toolchain (another point of failure).
         | 
         | > Anyways, this appears to be a pitch for a project
         | 
         | I did add that link recently as it's related, but I wrote this
         | Designed to Last article 2 years before irchiver. See the
         | previous discussion at
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21840140
        
         | danuker wrote:
         | The Irchiver project has great ideas ("seeing is keeping").
         | Does anyone know a similar tool for Linux or a browser
         | extension?
        
           | lazyjeff wrote:
           | irchiver author here. So I investigated for a long time
           | whether a browser extension is possible for automatically
           | screenshotting a page. It turns out it's not because of the
           | limitations of browser extensions themselves, and from the
           | way WebExtensions are going, it will never be.
           | 
           | I've only found a way to do this on Windows right now (since
           | Windows 8.1) due to an undocumented flag that lets you
           | capture images from the browser even with hardware
           | acceleration on (which is the default). Though I trust
           | Microsoft to maintain backwards compatibility even for
           | undocumented features indefinitely.
        
       | chaostheory wrote:
       | If you're worried about future dead links, you could just use the
       | pinboard bookmarking service with the archive website plan...
        
         | Veen wrote:
         | Gwern has written about link archiving to combat link rot, but
         | his system seems more complex than most people would want to
         | bother with.
         | 
         | https://www.gwern.net/Archiving-URLs
        
           | skyfaller wrote:
           | That seems like an understatement. If your link archiving
           | system somehow relies on Bitcoin(?!) it may be too
           | complicated.
        
             | post-it wrote:
             | They use Bitcoin to save hashes of the webpages in case
             | they need to prove that they saved a page on a particular
             | date (though I don't see how they could prove that the page
             | they saved is the page that was actually online). That's a
             | pretty sensible use of what are essentially NFTs.
        
       | foodbag wrote:
       | I like the sound of "Don't minimize that HTML". It'd be nice if
       | the HTML of webpages was more transparent.
       | 
       | > Well, you don't save much because your web pages should be
       | gzipped before being sent over the network, so preemptively
       | shrinking your content probably doesn't do much to save bandwidth
       | if anything at all.
       | 
       | Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify + gzip
       | saves over just gzip?
        
         | spurgu wrote:
         | > Does anybody have empirical evidence on how much minify +
         | gzip saves over just gzip?
         | 
         | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/807119/gzip-versus-minif...
        
         | datagram wrote:
         | Decided to try it out using the source for this page as an
         | example, with kangax's HTML minifier
         | (https://kangax.github.io/html-minifier/)
         | 
         | Uncompressed, Unminified: 16,979B Uncompressed, Minified:
         | 16,316B Ccompressed, Unminified: 7676B Compressed, Minified:
         | 7535B
         | 
         | So minifying before compressing saves an extra 141 bytes, but
         | the vast majority of the size savings are from Gzip
        
       | sharps_xp wrote:
       | i share the same mindset as i really miss traveling but the only
       | way to explore places to go when i'm abroad is yelp, google maps,
       | and my own excel sheet. all of which are very slow on
       | international sim cards or in remote areas. i'm thinking about
       | building my own yelp-like site which is just static content on a
       | cdn, images would by default show the "alt" text with an option
       | to download the image.
        
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