[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Have you found something you love to do? If ...
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       Ask HN: Have you found something you love to do? If yes how?
        
       I have worked in many different fields(web dev, analytics, product
       management) but can't seem to stick to one. Is it about the field
       or something about myself that I need to change? How do I go about
       solving this??
        
       Author : aj_nikhil
       Score  : 132 points
       Date   : 2021-12-25 17:30 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
       | bahumbug wrote:
       | I really like selling drugs. I mean, I really like it. I spent 25
       | years coding, and I hated it. I hated the techbros who ruined the
       | industry, I hated the dudebros who invaded every San Francisco
       | coffee shop to talk loudly about their investments, and I really,
       | really hated the way the tech crowd shifted from being kind of
       | wild anarchist DIY hippy hackers to being right-wing law and
       | order, thin-blue line types.
       | 
       | Now I produce sell Cannabis & Psychedelics in California where
       | it's sort of legal. I have a huge social life, I've networked
       | with dozens of other artisanal pushers, and now I can pickup
       | like-minded girls and guys by saying "Hey, want to come back to
       | my place and roll Molly or trip on shrooms?"
       | 
       | I make more than twice as much as I did as a backend developer,
       | mostly in BitCoin and cash, and all I do is hang out with people.
       | I haven't had a major depressive episode since my last day of
       | work where I quite by sending him some scat porn and a video of
       | me pissing on my work laptop.
        
         | deltaonefour wrote:
         | It's cool I'd be down to spend the rest of my life hanging out
         | with people but not into the drug aspect of it. Glad you found
         | something you love.
        
       | sebastian_z wrote:
       | For me the key is intuition. I do what feels right. If you come
       | across something that you like, do it.
        
       | thatsamonad wrote:
       | I enjoy working on and solving technical problems, but the "core"
       | thing that I've found I really love is working with other people
       | to figure things out together (even though I'm fairly
       | introverted). Once I realized that it shaped my perspective on a
       | lot of work tasks and hobbies.
       | 
       | For example - a good friend and I regularly play battle royale
       | and co-op games together after work in the evenings. The joy of
       | those games, for me, is that we are communicating and working
       | together to achieve something or win. I don't get the same kind
       | of enjoyment from single player games or games where I'm just
       | grinding alone.
       | 
       | I think looking at "core values" and trying to extrapolate from
       | there might be a good approach (or at least it has been for me).
       | If you don't have a sense of what those are, maybe take some time
       | to reflect and see if you can find or create them.
        
         | polishdude20 wrote:
         | This is exactly me. I get super bor d of playing single player
         | games and I don't even play multiplayer games alone. I always
         | need to play with a friend over discord. It's my way of
         | socializing and getting that feeling of playing a team sport.
         | Overwatch has been really fun over the years.
        
       | mattlondon wrote:
       | I think for me it was kinda letting go of what job title or self-
       | imposed "career objective" I had set myself and just focusing on
       | trying to identify the things I found the most satisfying. Or at
       | the very least what I _disliked_ the most.
       | 
       | I stopped trying to weasel my way to the "right" job/role to get
       | one step closer to my "career goal" or had the right job title,
       | and focused on some self reflection about what I get the biggest
       | kick out of. If you had a good day at the office today,
       | _actively_ try to identify what it was _specifically_ that made
       | your day good (was it a day of code? Bug fixing? Debugging?
       | Meetings? Design work? Etc)
       | 
       | Sounds obvious and simple but I think it took me a decade or so
       | to realise this. Perhaps I could only really come to this
       | conclusion once I had already "proven" myself career-wise and was
       | making enough money to come to the realisation that I could stop
       | trying to climb the career ladder and focus a bit more on what I
       | get a kick out of, and not if the next role was a steppingstone
       | to something else.
        
       | adamcharnock wrote:
       | After 15 years as a freelance developer I've started a rural
       | wireless ISP. It hasn't entirely displaced my freelance work, but
       | allows me to help people in a way that being a developer didn't
       | (tangibly, at least).
       | 
       | Now I install internet access for people, on infrastructure I
       | have built, and I see how happy they are when they go from 2 to
       | 100mbps (this is often in a field in the middle of nowhere). This
       | means they can talk to their families, actually do the work that
       | pays their bills, and just generally entertain themselves.
       | 
       | It is very rewarding. And I know all these people as they are
       | essentially my neighbours.
        
         | bahumbug wrote:
         | I know some people who made millions working the Universal
         | Service Fee system, getting paid gobs of subsidies to provide
         | DSL / wifi to hillbillies in West Virginia. It's like digital
         | gold if you know how to really work the system.
        
         | gremlinsinc wrote:
         | I've thought of doing something like this in southern Utah ...
         | but we've got 1 gig fiber even in some smaller communities...
         | but there probably are certain places that don't have good
         | coverage..
        
         | rubyist5eva wrote:
         | Congrats, if you don't mind me asking where do you get the
         | capital to do something like this? Other than "wage slave for a
         | decade and live like a student".
        
         | spaetzleesser wrote:
         | That's the nice thing about a lot of small businesses. The
         | fruit of your work is much more tangible than working at a
         | corporation.
        
         | civilized wrote:
         | What an awesome and fascinating thing you're doing! Could you
         | possibly explain at a high level what you had to do to start
         | the ISP and make it accessible in these areas?
        
           | rasengan wrote:
           | You might find this guide [1] useful as well as the
           | experiences of the poster. Also, I agree, what he does is
           | absolutely amazing.
           | 
           | [1] https://startyourownisp.com/
        
           | liketochill wrote:
           | Check out http://dslreports.com/forum/wisp
           | 
           | It is a forum for wireless isps and they talk a lot about the
           | equipment and business of it
        
         | tomarr wrote:
         | Do you expect Starlink (or equivalent) to radically alter this
         | space?
        
         | barbazoo wrote:
         | That sounds extremely gratifying, congrats on finding a passion
         | that's so beneficial to the people around you.
        
       | Beldin wrote:
       | Have you managed to find decent employment in al of those areas?
       | If so, why worry?
       | 
       | Why not try to accept you are who you are, and apparently this is
       | part of who you are currently. It seems to work out fine (if it
       | does), so no need to worry.
        
       | galacticaactual wrote:
       | Treat life like a gradient descent algorithm. Analyze your
       | current landscape, adjacencies, possibilities and try different
       | things. See what happens. You will get disinterested or fail 99%
       | of the time. But that 1% will lead you to the next iteration down
       | the gradient. Rinse and repeat.
        
       | moksly wrote:
       | It's very hard to answer for you because it's likely about
       | personal growth and realisation more than anything else. But I
       | can tell you what I did, or rather what happened to me.
       | 
       | I started as a developer, because I was good, I gradually became
       | the lead enterprise architect (I've never hated anything more
       | than TOGAF by the way), and eventually "fell" into management.
       | While doing this I rode locally fame ladder in Danish public
       | sector digitalisation which means I've had a massive impact on
       | our overall national strategy for IT architecture but like 5
       | people know who I am. I'm not sure I ever actually liked that
       | work, but it was thrilling to be part of something "important",
       | so I felt like I liked it. Eventually I had my first child, and 9
       | months later I had a depression caused by stress so severe I
       | spent a night in a psychward. Long story short I was diagnosed
       | with ADHD at almost 40, and told that I needed to figure out how
       | I wanted to live my life.
       | 
       | Turns out I like problem solving and that I hate project
       | management. So I quit the public sector and found a job in a
       | company where I could be a programmer again, I made sure to find
       | a company where I wouldn't have to deal with a whole lot of the
       | Atlassian sort bureaucracies surrounding programming and it's
       | frankly been a bliss.
       | 
       | I've gone from not thinking I could ever work more than 30 hours
       | a week until my children left our house to back to full time.
       | 
       | So chances are you probably already know what kind of work you
       | like, but it's just really hard to figure it out. One thing that
       | I thought I would miss was feeling "important" but the truth is
       | that I was never actually "important". If it hadn't been me
       | someone else would've done it.
       | 
       | (For reference I'm Danish, having a break down here gets you 6
       | months sick leave with pay and costs you basically nothing out of
       | your own pocket. This made things easier to say the least.)
        
       | oxplot wrote:
       | Working in a lot of fields and not sticking to one is in itself
       | valuable. You should capitalize on your need for novelty and
       | perhaps work at a higher level, a generalist who can connect the
       | dots across many areas and lead others.
        
       | crawfordcomeaux wrote:
       | I didn't truly love what I was doing until I found a personal
       | purpose for life that ties together all aspects of my life so
       | far. Essentially, I had to reflect enough on what I've gone
       | through to see what paths I'm on and where I want to go.
       | 
       | I seek to help all beings collaboratively learn how to better
       | program their bodies and meet all needs while denying none,
       | through science, art, and love.
       | 
       | Since then, I've rebuilt my identity a few times over. I've also
       | helped conceive and am nurturing a new person. Helping them
       | explore the world everyday is so exciting and challenges the
       | status quo of parenting in the area we live so hard, some people
       | literally get angry watching us, will take clandestine photos,
       | and call the police.
       | 
       | I've also come to enjoy the process of exploring and healing from
       | traumas I've experienced.
       | 
       | There's a finite list of human needs for surviving and thriving.
       | Learning about those gave me something to reflect on and pinpoint
       | needs I wanted to focus on helping others meet.
       | 
       | Also, finding ways to integrate what I've learned from different
       | fields into what I'm doing may have helped me keep from feeling
       | boxed in.
        
         | lostlogin wrote:
         | > people literally get angry watching us, will take clandestine
         | photos, and call the police.
         | 
         | What is it you are doing?
        
           | crawfordcomeaux wrote:
           | So far, it's when they're outside naked or in a diaper in the
           | cold or if we're playing near an intersection.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | I like making things that people use. I have done systems and
       | infrastructure programming, but making frontend stuff is where I
       | really like to be.
       | 
       | I consider it a craft, as opposed to a vocation.
        
       | rasengan wrote:
       | You might find benefit to writing down your thoughts about each
       | one of the previous occupations and see if there are any
       | recognizable patterns that you can identify and address.
        
       | justinlloyd wrote:
       | I love to write code, I love to ship products and I love to build
       | businesses.
       | 
       | But what I really love, what drives me, is solving interesting
       | problems. That's my entire career. Solve interesting problems.
       | "We're building a web2.0 exercise tracking..." No!         "We're
       | putting health records on the block..." Nein!         "We're
       | improving how people buy insuran..." Non!         "We're creating
       | a mobile app to submit expens..." Nee!         "We're building a
       | SaaS to improve cable modem analy..." Nie!
       | "We're using computer vision to identify fossilized cat shit." Oh
       | hell yes!
       | 
       | I've built websites and CRUD apps and mobile apps, out of
       | necessity, but they are universally boring endeavours with little
       | to give them any merit beyond a tiny sliver of an interesting
       | problem. Most of the work that is out there is just grunt work
       | that should be farmed out and then extensively code reviewed.
       | 
       | At meetups people ask me, "what do you do?"
       | 
       | And I respond, "Whatever the !@#$ I want to, it makes money, and
       | everyone goes home happy."
       | 
       | I haven't worked a day in my life. I play, every day. And any
       | time I've come close to discovering "it's just another job" I go
       | and find something else to do.
       | 
       | My response on LinkedIn or AngelList when approached by business
       | people and recruiters with their dreadful job opening is usually
       | along the lines of "Thanks for making me aware of this
       | opportunity. Sounds boring. Good luck in your continuing
       | candidate search."
        
         | TruthWillHurt wrote:
         | That's pretty much the tech scene in London right there..
         | 
         | "We're creating a new way for super-rich people to access their
         | swiss bank accounts!"
         | 
         | Yey...
        
           | justinlloyd wrote:
           | Recruiter: "We're doing <solved problem> to <extract money>
           | from people by implementing <unnecessary subscription
           | service> that attaches <internet stuff> to <something that
           | doesn't need it>. Also, we'll have <creepy video technology>
           | installed in people's homes for <nothing bad ever happened
           | doing that>helping them live healthier, happier lives whilst
           | partially clothed</nothing bad ever happened doing that>.
           | We've raised <large amount of VC measured in hundreds of
           | millions> that guarantees <anybody with equity is so diluted
           | they'll never see a payout>, with that <equity on a stick
           | dangled out in front, we think we can convince you to take a
           | lower salary>."
           | 
           | Paraphrasing from a recent recruiter pitch.
        
         | mrfusion wrote:
         | I'm sold. How do I achieve this?
        
           | loonster wrote:
           | Many ways to do it * Become really good at something * Live a
           | modest lifestyle * Have low debt * Have decent savings
        
             | mrfusion wrote:
             | How do you find problems to solve?
        
               | loonster wrote:
               | You need to get known for being really good at something,
               | then the problems will find you.
        
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         | tppiotrowski wrote:
         | Web developer for many years. Lost interest in CRUD apps
         | because they're mostly the same architecture with different
         | content.
         | 
         | I've been learning WebGL and using math more than I have since
         | college. It's very rewarding and what I feel my Computer
         | Science degree prepared me for. I spend a lot of time outdoors
         | and my project is a map simulation of terrain shadows. Every
         | time I'm outdoors and my model lines up with physical reality,
         | I have an almost spiritual moment of feeling like I can
         | comprehend the universe. :)
        
         | carlmr wrote:
         | >My response on LinkedIn or AngelList when approached by
         | business people and recruiters with their dreadful job opening
         | is usually along the lines of "Thanks for making me aware of
         | this opportunity. Sounds boring. Good luck in your continuing
         | candidate search."
         | 
         | Thank you, this is what I always think with these job adverts.
         | It's almost impossible to think about anything less appealing
         | than a list of technologies they require without any motivation
         | why.
        
           | Nextgrid wrote:
           | The worst is when the company brags about their funding as if
           | it makes any difference to me. If anything, it makes their
           | shitty offer look even more shitty. If you're gonna brag
           | about millions, you better offer me a decent cut.
        
       | jerrygoyal wrote:
       | I built a fairly simple browser extension that users love to use.
       | Heck, people even paid for it (it's freemium but an open-source
       | project). Now and then, I get an appreciation email from a user,
       | a notification from the chrome web store that someone rated it
       | 5-star, or a new purchase notification from Stripe. Random doses
       | of serotonin make my day. In a nutshell, I love working on it
       | because people find it helpful and value it.
       | 
       | https://gourav.io/notion-boost
        
       | technological wrote:
       | I love talking, so started my own podcast in my native language
       | (Telugu). Always wanted to talk on stage or do stream on YouTube
       | but never was confident but with podcast I can speak anything I
       | want and don't worry about anyone judging me.
       | 
       | Even though I don't have very large number of subscribers but I
       | am satisfied with the few people who listen and like . I don't do
       | any post processing, just raw recording.
       | 
       | Any interested listeners can check out it at -
       | 
       | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/vinandi-na-sodi-telugu...
       | 
       | https://pnc.st/s/abhi-podcast
        
       | nurettin wrote:
       | >> worked in many different fields(web dev, analytics, product
       | management)
       | 
       | I followed this approach: Find something that really excites you,
       | fake it 'till you make it, learn from your mistakes and never
       | stop improving.
        
       | leto_ii wrote:
       | The problem, as far as I can make it, is that the thing(s) you
       | love will probably not look like a corporate job.
       | 
       | It's my strong feeling that people don't actually love jobs, they
       | love kinds of work, but only as long as they have agency. Once
       | the work becomes a job it tends to get subordinated to profit
       | motives, instead of your own creative drives.
       | 
       | My best bet is that if you want to do something you love you have
       | to somehow end up working for yourself.
        
         | mrfusion wrote:
         | My problem is I get bored and lose motivation when working
         | alone. I'm thinking a job would be a good way to keep me moving
         | forward?
         | 
         | I've tried teaming up with people on projects but it seems like
         | if it's not tied to a paycheck they flake out pretty quickly.
        
           | leto_ii wrote:
           | Working with others is definitely important for motivation
           | and for technical progress.
           | 
           | > I've tried teaming up with people on projects but it seems
           | like if it's not tied to a paycheck they flake out pretty
           | quickly.
           | 
           | Maybe something like contributing to an existing open source
           | project or doing some small projects of your own (e.g.
           | writing a blog about smth that your really like, without
           | aiming to monetize it) could help.
           | 
           | The best case scenario would be to start a self-supporting
           | company or something of that sort.
        
       | Aulig wrote:
       | For me it was starting my own business. Just coding away is not
       | interesting to me - even though coding is the thing I enjoy most
       | about my work.
       | 
       | To me it's important that I get to decide what I want to work on
       | and what direction I take with the business. A big part is also
       | that I own the code I write.
        
       | rdegges wrote:
       | I work as a manager of a Developer Relations team, but I'm also a
       | software engineer and writer. I've identified two things I "love"
       | to do in my life: writing software (usually automation-type
       | things that make my life or someone else's life easier), and
       | writing (articles, books, etc.).
       | 
       | I discovered that I love writing software when I was a kid (maybe
       | 12 years old?) by writing automation bots for video games: it was
       | so incredibly fun to write a bot that would play the game, level
       | up your characters, and do things that would otherwise take
       | thousands of hours of human grinding to achieve. This passion
       | never left me, and now, more than 20 years later, I still spend a
       | good chunk of time building little scripts/tools/utilities/apps
       | that help me in various ways.
       | 
       | The writing was something that I also got started on early. I
       | discovered my love of writing through IRC where I'd routinely
       | answer people's programming questions and eventually write blog
       | posts explaining answers in more depth than I could fit into a
       | short IRC conversation.
       | 
       | I don't blog as much today (life gets busy), but I do spend a lot
       | of time writing at work, working on the occasional long-form blog
       | post, and ... journaling.
        
       | georgefrick wrote:
       | You can't find what you are passionate about, it's not something
       | that gets discovered. You pick it and hone it. Getting
       | experienced, acknowledged by peers, and executing from knowledge
       | all come with time and dedication and you become passionate as
       | you want to drive that thing forward. I've struggled with this
       | myself, and learned over time that I'm passionate about
       | delivering software - I love it. Now I look for the next
       | harder/larger project and see if I can make a difference for that
       | business.
        
         | beej71 wrote:
         | It must depend on the person. I discovered the things I love
         | (writing, teaching, programming, dualsport motorcycling, GIS)
         | by stumbling across them, then honed (a continuing process for
         | life) those skills because I love them.
         | 
         | Did I choose those things? Or was the moment of discovery the
         | moment of choice?
        
       | ChuckMcM wrote:
       | Try something further afield?
       | 
       | I have talked to lots of people who were trying to find their
       | passion and had limited themselves to looking in an area where
       | they felt they could be "well paid." This isn't too surprising
       | because surviving is first, passion is second.
       | 
       | However, what they often don't consider is that compensation is
       | just a part of the picture. If you're making $X and living in New
       | York City you might only be able to rent a room, but making $X in
       | a small town in Minnesota and you can buy the best house in town.
       | Not that I'm advocating you move to Minnesota, rather that one's
       | "Quality of Life" is the complete circle of income/cost of
       | living/friends/opportunities.
       | 
       | Now I have no idea what you're looking at so this might be
       | completely useless but oddly enough, reading people's biographies
       | can give you insights into other choices made and their impact
       | and effect. If you can imagine yourself in those other choices,
       | you can sometimes discover something you would like to try before
       | you've "wasted time" trying something you didn't like. Reading
       | non-fiction for exposure to other life experiences can be helpful
       | in other ways as well, it can help you understand others from a
       | perspective that isn't your own lived experience.
        
       | Artistry121 wrote:
       | Hello! Great question.
       | 
       | The past year I've fallen in love with life. This has been a
       | combo of a few things - I found work as a consultant where I get
       | to share a unique perspective that when paired with the work of
       | others produces outsized results.
       | 
       | I get paid moderately well by nearly a dozen clients but am the
       | lowest paid team member on each team on a monthly basis - so I
       | don't feel too much pressure to deliver exceptional results all
       | the time - and the number of clients I have means if I get 1 win
       | a year for all clients I can have a true win each month
       | professionally.
       | 
       | These wins and experiences make me feel like I'm growing and
       | contributing.
       | 
       | Aside from that I've developed open and honest relationships with
       | my lover and my friends and see them regularly and I live with
       | housemates so I get my extraversion solved through work and
       | natural interactions even in covid. The honest relationships with
       | my lover and number and depth of friendships has allowed me to
       | not hold any desires back from asking while having less pressure
       | to be the doer of everything. Teams and ideas naturally form over
       | time which has led to fun side projects and profit as well.
       | 
       | I prefer now to give perspective rather than advice but I'd say
       | having a "deal centric" attitude and meeting a lot of people and
       | trying to start things with them - usually based on some process
       | that provides value so you have a process to lean on - seems
       | pretty solid.
       | 
       | For instance building internal portals for small teams or
       | organizations and taking a small ongoing fee to do it could help
       | you. Instead of project based work with a time bound - low to
       | moderate monthly fees with a variety of people can allow you to
       | find creative energy where product management, analytics, etc can
       | help other peoples visions come true over years.
       | 
       | You can see visions come to life without too much stress and
       | avoid a single point of failure.
       | 
       | Happy Christmas and lmk if you'd like to work together on
       | something like this.
        
       | coffeefirst wrote:
       | Love to do? No. But I've found some things I'm good at that are
       | useful and I don't seem to get sick of, and after that what seems
       | to matter more is the people you work with.
       | 
       | Ultimately even if you like a job it's still a job, and the
       | widely promoted notion of passion rarely holds up.
        
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         | exdsq wrote:
         | It'll suck up much less if you know your real passion is
         | outside of work. Instead of stressing about getting a staff
         | engineering title, I enjoy senior and make some money to simply
         | support that passion :)
        
       | koksik202 wrote:
       | For me it is whatever keeps me excited I went from ops to
       | engineering to automation to data analytics and learning data
       | analytics as I do my job. I take advantage of internal transfers
       | and I am open about what my areas of improvement are when it
       | comes to tech knowledge it didn't stop managers from hiring me.
       | Be honest with what you can and can't do and don't be scared to
       | try new things and take opportunities within your own
       | organization (much easier to go back to your previous
       | responsibilities if things don't workout)
        
       | alfor wrote:
       | Take the test https://www.understandmyself.com (not free)
       | 
       | If you are high in openness (likely) you will need change and
       | creativity to feel alive. On the other hand, most job will want
       | to keep you in the same place to extract the maximum value from
       | what you know.
       | 
       | You might need to find something where that part of you can grow:
       | start a company, technical sales, consultancy, etc
        
       | wellthisisgreat wrote:
       | I have one thing that gives me a deep sense of fulfillment and a
       | feeling that I was not living those few hours of my life in vain.
       | That is writing fiction.
       | 
       | paradoxically (or maybe not) it is not as rewarding process-wise
       | as writing software, which has the strongest instant
       | gratification loop after, maybe, video games.
       | 
       | You can't really be a writer, however, unless you want to die in
       | poverty, etc.
        
         | empressplay wrote:
         | You can make a living as a writer but you need to crank out 4-5
         | novels a year, which is more than I can do!
        
           | stazz1 wrote:
           | I reckon that would certainly affect the quality of the
           | compositions. Unless, of course, 4-5 is the natural output of
           | some monster writers.
        
       | throwaway6734 wrote:
       | Was doing web & mobile dev. Went back to school for an MS and was
       | able to score a more research oriented role after getting lucky
       | getting an internship and then busting my butt to prove myself.
        
       | strictfp wrote:
       | I got into gamedev in my thirties. The last few years was baptism
       | by fire but it's loads of fun.
        
       | steelstraw wrote:
       | What do you do for fun? Any hobbies?
        
       | renaldomagic wrote:
        
       | danurman wrote:
       | For me, what helped was paying attention to what I liked about my
       | work and leaning in a direction that emphasized those kinds of
       | tasks - though it was kind of just luck that I found a job that
       | let me do that.
       | 
       | I got my start in web development because I had picked it up as a
       | hobby and (at least at the time) it was a good way to get
       | reasonable money without a degree. But my favorite parts were
       | learning new techniques/technologies (I started out without a
       | team to steer me toward best practices so I did a lot of
       | experimentation, self-teaching, and reinventing the wheel -
       | probably made my projects take longer but meant I learned a lot
       | more) and then using that expertise to help my colleagues (once I
       | did have a team, my deeper understanding meant that I was the one
       | to go to when something didn't work right in IE6 or something).
       | 
       | At one point, I was having dinner with a friend at his startup
       | and happened to meet one of their product support engineers. She
       | explained that the role involved becoming an expert in their
       | highly-technical, fast-growing product and then using that
       | expertise to help customers (internal and external ones). I
       | realized that was an entire job made of my favorite parts of my
       | previous job. I applied to join her team and I've happily worked
       | in product support for tech startups ever since. Before this
       | point I never would have considered product support, because I
       | just had a stereotypical vision of it as sitting in a phone
       | center reading from a script. The ideal field for you might be
       | out there without you realizing it exists.
       | 
       | I still try to identify the things I like doing and spend more
       | time doing those things. Sometimes that means spending time
       | working with folks on other teams - not all companies are
       | flexible enough to allow this, but I think healthy ones will
       | because the added perspective usually will make you more valuable
       | to the company as well. Making sure to have these varied
       | experiences and keep learning new things has been a great way to
       | keep up my engagement over time.
        
         | exdsq wrote:
         | I enjoyed support when I used to do it - I'm pretty sure my
         | social skills suffered when I started working in isolation on
         | dev tasks
        
       | ssss11 wrote:
       | I've jumped around a bit, I've done many different tech roles in
       | end user companies (client side).
       | 
       | I've found I love three things - designing tech solutions but
       | only what I'm passionate about, business (non-tech: finance, risk
       | mgmt, commercial etc) and am passionate about empowering people
       | rather than fleecing them (in a b2c context).
       | 
       | I'm happy with what I'm currently doing as I'm working in the
       | business space now but ultimately think my place would be
       | bootstrapping a user enabling solution and I'm in the early
       | stages of making a side project to hopefully achieve that.
        
       | honkycat wrote:
       | I'm not obsessed about "working for my passion" or anything like
       | that. I have a good life outside of work, supported by my high
       | paying programmer job.
       | 
       | I did a lot of job-hopping the past few years looking for the
       | right place to work, and I finally found it. I look for companies
       | that respect work-life balance, don't want me to work too hard,
       | and have excellent engineering culture that values high quality
       | work and has managed to retain their senior employees. I deliver
       | great work, they make money off of the code I ship, everybody is
       | happy. I can crunch every once in a while but we all understand
       | that it sucks and isn't a long-term strategy.
       | 
       | My father was a funeral director & coroner. He would NEVER claim
       | he "loves what he does", but he used his career to build a life
       | for him and his family. I look at my career the same way.
       | 
       | What do I ACTUALLY want to do? Develop video games, make music,
       | write fiction. But nobody is shelling out for that, and even if
       | they are, I'm not good enough at it to compete. I know if I
       | pursued any of my passions, I would have to work much harder for
       | much less pay, and be treated much more poorly by my employer. I
       | know my limits and I know that I cannot thrive in a situation
       | like that, I've done it before, no thanks.
       | 
       | Part of growing older is mourning the person you could have been.
       | If I had a time machine, I would have stayed in better shape,
       | practiced guitar more, invested my time more wisely. But I can't,
       | and honestly my life has turned out pretty great by trusting my
       | instincts.
        
         | Dopameaner wrote:
         | Out of curiosity, how old are you if I may ask? I just entered
         | 30, but I do share some of my regrets and life perspectives
         | from this post. Thanks for sharing your perspective!
        
           | d23 wrote:
           | I'm really early thirties and it resonates with me. I've been
           | successful, but it's hard not to look at any of the other
           | paths I could have taken and wonder "what if." Or, more
           | precisely: what now?
        
         | falafelite wrote:
         | Thanks for writing this. I've been feeling mournful about
         | "giving up" and returning to a "normal" software engineering
         | job, but the things in quotes here are a matter of perspective.
         | Ain't nothing wrong with doing good work and using the fruits
         | of it to enjoy your life. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
        
         | d23 wrote:
         | "Part of growing older is mourning the person you could have
         | been."
         | 
         | One of the wisest and most succinct things I've read on this
         | site.
        
       | MilnerRoute wrote:
       | Some highly intelligent people simply need new challenges. So
       | maybe you don't need to change yourself so much as embrace this
       | new-challenge-seeking behavior as one of your strengths.
       | 
       | As to finding something you love, for a lot of people the problem
       | really isn't the finding. There is something they love, and the
       | hard part is finding a path to the doing of it -- to dropping
       | what they're currently doing, and finding an easy viable way to
       | do the other thing while paying their rent and other bills. And
       | honestly, this is usually made easier by money. If you could
       | stockpile a "stake" and then take some time off to explore only
       | things you're deeply interested in, that might help. Another
       | avenue toward that might be living someplace cheaper, so the
       | money piles up quicker, ultimately giving you more flexibility
       | and freedom to pursue things you love.
       | 
       | Along with this, it's important to be honest with yourself. If
       | you can really get in touch with what you like and don't like
       | about the fields you've been in -- those are the truest clues for
       | what you'll want to do. (I mean, your only other option is to
       | talk to other people doing many different things, until you hear
       | about something that also sounds interesting to you.)
       | 
       | I guess the last bit of advice is have hope. Because that's where
       | it starts.
        
       | 0atman wrote:
       | For me, it was producing a scifi/mental-health podcast which
       | blended my three great passions of music, programming, and love
       | of my own voice^H^H^H writing fiction.
       | 
       | The experience has been life changing!
       | 
       | More people should try podcasts: They're almost as simple as a
       | blog to produce, but allow you to present your story or
       | information in a much more evocative and personal medium: Voice,
       | sound, and music. Additionally, and unlike something like Youtube
       | or Spotify, you retain total control. All you need, essentially,
       | is a website to host MP3s, and an XML file that tells people
       | where those MP3s are. There are plenty of services that will do
       | this for you for a few dollars a month (I use Spreaker), but
       | that's what it boils down to: No gatekeepers, no monopolies, no
       | algorithms.
       | 
       | I wrote a step by step guide to getting into this, based on my
       | own experience of writing and publishing 6 seasons (so far!) on
       | my blog, here: http://www.0atman.com/articles/21/make-fiction-
       | podcast
        
       | rg111 wrote:
       | In this regard, you might want to read _" So Good They Can't
       | Ignore You"_ by Cal Newport.
       | 
       | I know. The title is cheesy and melodramatic. But this book was
       | really helpful in shaping some of my worldview.
       | 
       | This book goes vehemently against the "discovery" of "passion",
       | and instead provides some practical insights on how to do work
       | that you will love. Or how to reach there.
        
         | pjm331 wrote:
         | This book is in a genre I call "once you've read the title
         | you've read the book"
         | 
         | Definitely aligned with the idea but if you already agree with
         | the title you can save some time and skip the read
        
           | rg111 wrote:
           | > _This book is in a genre I call "once you've read the title
           | you've read the book"_
           | 
           | Hard disagree. Have you actually read it?
           | 
           | It offers much more than the title.
        
           | vaylian wrote:
           | No. One important aspect of the book that doesn't appear in
           | the title is: People who get really good at something useful,
           | also enjoy their work a lot more. The public view is often
           | that passion leads to success. But the book argues that in
           | many cases it is actually the other way around.
        
             | therealasdf wrote:
             | Nice. Now i dont need to read the book
        
             | TruthWillHurt wrote:
             | That's a big part of my problem - as a generalist I know
             | many things, but am not an expert on anything specific.
             | 
             | Taking on a focused role leads to disappointment and loss
             | of self esteem.
        
       | Overtonwindow wrote:
       | Follow the Dopamine. I listen to my brain very carefully, and
       | when it shows the slightest interest in anything, I pursue that
       | interest. I have bad ADHD, and it's the only thing that has ever
       | really helped.
        
       | SilasX wrote:
       | Yes, whatever microcorruption.com is. Linked from here, product
       | of tptacek.
        
       | wenbin wrote:
       | My two cents -
       | 
       | Don't feel too bad if you can't find something you love to do for
       | a long period of time. Many many people don't know what they love
       | to do their entire life. And that's totally okay.
       | 
       | We've been exploring... We might like doing A for 1 year or 2,
       | then switch to love doing B for a few months, then switch to C
       | for another 3 years... It's normal.
       | 
       | How about thinking in this way - What you don't like to do? Just
       | avoid things you don't like to do as much as possible, then
       | you'll be happier.
        
       | knob wrote:
       | Not sure it will "solve it"... yet following Adam's (Douglas?)
       | suggestion to become top-25% in three fields. Then merge those
       | fields.
       | 
       | That has worked awesome for me. I merged technolgy (software
       | dev/sys adm) with motor sports and with management. Love it so
       | far. Good luck and Merry Christmas!!
        
         | dmoy wrote:
         | Too bad there's no good payable intersection of software dev,
         | video games, and three position bullseye rifle. Hah :(
        
           | rzzzt wrote:
           | Sounds like VR is the answer!
        
           | needSomeCoffee wrote:
           | Actually there is. When my daughters were on the Airgun 10
           | meter team (recent national champs), I spent some time
           | investigating how to create a low-cost SCATT system using a
           | relatively inexpensive laser with 3D-printed mount, USB
           | connected cameras, and OpenCV. Something kids could use in a
           | hallway at home vs. the range. The solution was very feasible
           | as I got to the point of mocking it up and testing it.
           | Daughters decided to drop shooting, and other side-dev
           | projects took over. But you sound like you might love doing
           | this. Cheers.
        
         | Cycl0ps wrote:
         | Got curious, and it looks like it was _Scott_ Adams, at least
         | the source I found
         | https://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/07/car...
        
       | dillondoyle wrote:
       | Maybe look outside of work?
       | 
       | People who are truly passionate about their work are lucky.
       | 
       | But IMHO it's more realistic to find a job that isn't stressful &
       | that one enjoys a bit (if one still needs to pay the bills).
       | 
       | There's a ton of happiness and fulfillment to be found outside of
       | your career.
       | 
       | But you need to have the time and mental capacity to get there.
       | 
       | Works sucks up all of those resources for a lot of people.
        
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       | sokoloff wrote:
       | Lots of good advice here about paying attention to the patterns
       | of what you like versus dislike.
       | 
       | For me, I love being able to sit down and concentrate for 5 hours
       | and make progress on a coding activity. (Advent of Code is almost
       | catnip for me; I'll save up a week's worth of them and blow a
       | half a Saturday on them.) Other people thrive on social aspects
       | of team/project work.
       | 
       | Naturally, I picked a job that gives me virtually none of that
       | focused coding time, so there's that...
        
       | barbazoo wrote:
       | I gave up trying to find a job that I "love". Don't get me wrong
       | I absolutely enjoy programming, I love many aspects of it, there
       | are just too many things out of my control. I found hobbies like
       | home improvement, home automation, pet projects around
       | development a lot more "lovable" and easier to stick to.
        
       | baby wrote:
       | You need to be bored. Long period of boredom.
        
       | kradeelav wrote:
       | I'm a corporate design manager (happily so), so my industry is
       | slightly different than yours, but I see this question pop up
       | enough in my circles it felt relevant to say the below ...
       | 
       | One of the greatest mistakes I see fellow designers do is try to
       | make their 'passion' into their job - expecting their moonshot
       | webcomic idea to be the bread+butter income, artisanal print
       | hobby to pay the same as a corporate career without a sizeable
       | investment or insane time sunk into marketing, you get the
       | picture.
       | 
       | Early on I made a point to do short contract/internship stints to
       | find our what I "didn't" like to do corporate-wise (packaging,
       | digital design, print design), and narrow down to the parts that
       | left me vaguely looking forward to the next day (experiential
       | design, a team that's enjoyable to work with, autonomy,
       | management). Note that the happy bits are almost as much team
       | dynamics is it is the work itself, if not moreso.
        
       | derekp7 wrote:
       | For me, I started computers at around age 13. Didn't know at the
       | time that most computer jobs were highly specialized, so I
       | absorbed knowledge and developed skills in a wide variety of
       | areas. Ended up as a SysAdmin simply because that was the
       | majority of my responsibilities at my first computer related job.
       | But I also program, design/architect solutions, do low level
       | hardware, etc. That means I can have a job in one area, and use
       | the other skills to make me more valuable in that role than I
       | otherwise would be. So that is my passion, impressing others and
       | being a highly prized asset due to bringing in multiple other
       | skills into my primary role.
       | 
       | The other passion I have (that really is very similar to my
       | primary skill) is woodworking. Anytime I need a particular
       | furniture piece, I design it, buy the materials, cut it up /
       | drill holes, and make my own flat-pack kits for final assembly.
       | This hobby got a lot more fun when I finally realized that I
       | could actually make straight cuts if I properly squared off the
       | saw blade, and started using higher quality wood (instead of
       | standard-grade construction lumber).
        
       | barcoder wrote:
       | The Art's Way by Julia Cameron
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | jensneuse wrote:
       | Five or so years ago I started to "implement" GraphQL, the Query
       | language from scratch. Lexing, parsing, designing an AST. I had
       | to rewrite everything multiple times, added validation and an
       | execution engine. At some point I realized what I've actually
       | built, the foundation to create an npm-like system for APIs,
       | using GraphQL as the universal integration language for any kind
       | of API. Since I understood how powerful this concept is I'm
       | unable to stop working on it. I'm now turning this into a
       | product/company, it's called WunderGraph:
       | https://wundergraph.com/ Btw. the engine and everything is open
       | source, it's written in Go: https://github.com/jensneuse/graphql-
       | go-tools
        
       | mwidell wrote:
       | After some burnout after building a tech company, I saved up
       | money and left my job, and decided to take 2 years just doing
       | whatever I feel like doing each day, until I find something I
       | really, truly love, that I can build a new career from. I tried
       | some different things, and in the end I found my new calling. I
       | think the key is to free up time so you can experiment with
       | different things with no pressure to make money immediately. In
       | this video my whole story
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfHvh87gm7M
        
       | falafelite wrote:
       | If book suggestions are helpful, I found "Designing Your Life" by
       | Bill Burnett and Dave Evans to provide a helpful framework on how
       | to think/act/prototype your way to what works for ya. Not sure if
       | it's everyone's cup of tea but I found it useful.
        
       | dutchblacksmith wrote:
       | What did you like to do when you were about 8 years old?
        
       | seb_urban_plan wrote:
       | You can do all those things meaningfully: I think it's really
       | about the end product (physical or not) - if you are making
       | something you don't believe is useful to society, or don't have
       | control over how your efforts are being used downstream, then it
       | can easily become inherently meaningless.
       | 
       | There are basic needs: clean water, clean air, infrastructure,
       | transportation, logistics, etc., etc. And also "non-tangible
       | ones". You can get much more authentic social respect if you work
       | on products/services that people unambiguously like and need.
       | 
       | I recommend, for example: - Biomedical: signals, images, ...
       | (I've done a bit) - Anything GIS, urban/transportation planning,
       | geo-spatial analytics, cities, etc. (my chosen specialty, very
       | fulfilling).
       | 
       | There's lots of number crunching, but also human-entry string
       | processing (fuzzy matching, etc.). Actually, very versatile
       | programmatically. And then there is fast graphics (OpenGL, etc.)
       | - not my favourite part, actually, but you can outsource it
       | partly.
       | 
       | You get to work in very multi-disciplinary groups, so you can
       | really assess where you want to go long-term. I was surrounded by
       | people with very similar training to mine - technologically it
       | was pretty good, but topic-wise it was a bit of an echo-chamber.
        
       | laurent92 wrote:
       | I love building Web products. Being a Product Owner.
       | 
       | How: By quitting every company after doing my maximum. I'm deeply
       | sour, because many people around me succeeded younger at being
       | recognized, generally because of ethnic or gender reason, but I
       | had to walk away and I have succeeded in establishing my company
       | and I'm the PO. I'm also the laundry guy, the accountant and the
       | principal engineer with my 2-5 employees, but I'm still making
       | half a million dollars, so it does seem that I was discriminated
       | in companies compared to my abilities.
       | 
       | I wish I hadn't a million dollars a year and I had a sense of
       | belonging instead, and wasn't sour, but such is life. I feel like
       | Donald Duck.
        
         | sokoloff wrote:
         | Striking out on your own and being successful at it is
         | impressive and congratulations for that. It doesn't seem to be
         | evidence to me in any direction about whether you were
         | discriminated against in prior companies. The outcomes, whether
         | good or bad, are concentrated when you own the company.
        
       | jcun4128 wrote:
       | I did, when I was younger. It was from the environment (lived in
       | Anchorage, lots of bush planes, got into model airplanes). I
       | spent about 8+ years doing it... in 2008 or so would get lost in
       | it. At that time I was in high school, didn't have much money but
       | I built all my planes from scratch with foam. Those were times I
       | felt truly happy/in the moment just being in the sun alone
       | flying. I can do it now sure, have money now but I lost it that
       | drive/happiness to do it. Finding real passion can be hard vs.
       | external factors eg. money. It's like you could say you want to
       | figure out GAI but if you're doing it for money/fame vs. truly
       | pursing it out of personal passion, I don't know if it'll happen
       | (aside from being hard).
       | 
       | I like writing code now, it's like a tool, can build things in
       | that space. Don't think it's a passion though. I didn't come from
       | it, I barely used a computer when I was younger. I say I want to
       | pursue robotics but I'm not pouring myself into it either. Been
       | spending a lot of time consuming as someone else mentioned
       | (tv/social media). Anyway I hope I get it back, true drive vs.
       | drive from sharing/points online. Generally I like creation
       | though, solving things.
       | 
       | Part of the younger days probably just because no responsibility
       | other than doing homework/passing tests.
        
       | anamax wrote:
       | Civilization relies mostly on people doing things that they don't
       | love.
       | 
       | Plumbers may like to plumb, but they don't like doing it in bad
       | conditions or as many hours as they do. Same for farmers,
       | construction workers, garbagemen, and so on.
        
       | mlcrypto wrote:
        
       | errantmind wrote:
       | First, be wary of general advice.
       | 
       | That said, do you find yourself spending most your time making or
       | consuming? At some point I just started making stuff for the
       | majority of my time and this was a tipping point for starting to
       | improve my skills in particular areas and narrow my focus.
        
         | derekp7 wrote:
         | Regarding Making vs Consuming, I realized why I never got
         | consumed by gaming. I can only sit down and play a game for a
         | short while, before my brain starts wandering and thinking how
         | I could build something myself.
        
       | analog31 wrote:
       | I fell in love with developing measurement equipment. It started
       | in grad school, realizing that I really wasn't cut out for a
       | basic research career (in a massively overcrowded academic job
       | market), but that I got a lot of satisfaction from being able to
       | solve hard technical problems.
       | 
       | Today, measurement systems combine many of my hobbies, including
       | electronics and programming. I would get bored with becoming a
       | specialist in a narrow tech field. This is also an area where I
       | feel that I can genuinely help people, not just with immediate
       | business problems, but also where I can credibly justify a
       | socially redeeming purpose.
       | 
       | I like the fact that the ultimate judge of my success is mother
       | nature, who doesn't tolerate bullshit.
       | 
       | Advice: Can you work on something that you actually believe in? I
       | read a lot of comments (HN and elsewhere) from people for whom
       | "work" is just an empty cash transaction, and who respect no
       | distinction between good and bad work. (For instance threads on
       | doing little or no actual work without getting caught).
       | 
       | Or, can you completely detach yourself from your day job, satisfy
       | yourself with the empty cash transaction, and get your personal
       | satisfaction in some other way?
        
         | yoyohello13 wrote:
         | Developing measurement equipment sounds really intriguing to
         | me. Do you have any stories about particularly fun/challenging
         | projects you've done?
        
         | russelltran wrote:
         | Hey, are you interested in climate change at all? Would you be
         | interested in developing new measuring equipment for methane
         | emissions in rice paddies? This is a completely white space.
         | https://www.ricemethane.org/ Let me know, thanks!
        
         | Shared404 wrote:
         | Those last two paragraphs feel like the trick to me. Either
         | work on something you're invested in, and if you can't, pick
         | something outside of work.
         | 
         | I personally like D&D. Spending time with good friends wroting
         | stories together is one of my favorite ways to spend time, and
         | the excitement for it has gotten me through more than one hard
         | week.
        
         | User23 wrote:
         | > For instance threads on doing little or no actual work
         | without getting caught
         | 
         | I imagine there are exceptions, but I think a lot of this is
         | people doing jobs that are fundamentally pointless to begin
         | with. When what you're doing is of no practical value to
         | anyone, it's difficult to remain motivated.
        
       | akeck wrote:
       | I've always done flat art (painting, drawing, etc.). I'm now
       | getting into handmade books. I'm looking forward to making books
       | of my art by hand.
        
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