[HN Gopher] Will Citroen manage to re-invent the wheel?
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       Will Citroen manage to re-invent the wheel?
        
       Author : simonebrunozzi
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2021-12-29 12:44 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | amelius wrote:
       | Those semi-open wheelcases are a safety hazard.
        
       | devadvance wrote:
       | Putting aside gripping strength versus traditional wheels for a
       | moment, it would be interesting to see if this would enable more
       | efficient street geometries. For example, due to the reduced
       | turning radius, could this open up additional safety buffer space
       | for pedestrians at city crosswalks?
        
         | dathinab wrote:
         | You can only reduce turning radius when you also reduce speed.
         | 
         | For many cars and ares in the world the turning radius usable
         | on small streets is not really a problem.
         | 
         | > open up additional safety buffer space
         | 
         | I don't think that matters, we already have very save cross
         | road designs, we just need to use them.
        
         | dpark wrote:
         | These don't provide a better turning radius than traditional
         | wheels. The reduced turning radius only happens because the
         | left and right wheels can spin independently, but you can do
         | that with traditional wheels (but not traditional drive
         | trains).
         | 
         | I'm not sure that this does anything for pedestrian safety,
         | though.
        
           | ralusek wrote:
           | Wheels like this could literally turn the car 360 degrees in
           | place...
        
             | dathinab wrote:
             | Yes but only if you stand on a point, not in moving
             | traffic.
             | 
             | E.g. if you are on a bike you can have a hyper small
             | turning radius, but only if you mover very very slow (but
             | not too slow ;) ).
             | 
             | The problem is requiring such a radius would be a safety
             | hazard, as people would all the time not get the turn due
             | to driving to fast, even if they literally started driving
             | a moment ago due to a red traffic light.
        
       | davidhyde wrote:
       | What is the point of exposing the wheels like that? Seems to
       | serve no purpose other than aesthetics and looks to be very
       | dangerous (a finger and foot trap).
        
         | blacksmith_tb wrote:
         | We don't cover or shroud car tires much at present, and that
         | doesn't cause injuries particularly? I do agree this design
         | seems to be more aesthetic than practical (I'd like to see it
         | in the rain...)
        
           | sp332 wrote:
           | Sure but tires these days have a bumper somewhere in the
           | direction of travel. If the spherical tires are going
           | straight sideways, it's more likely to catch something by
           | accident. Also, you're not generally going to pinch your
           | finger in a wheel well like you would with this arrangement.
        
       | ryukafalz wrote:
       | > Going for this feature will replace the (obligatory) stops at
       | the gym before going to work although you might still find
       | yourself appreciating the authenticity of going to an actual
       | fitness place with humans alongside you.
       | 
       | Ah yes, because the alternative to biking in place in a pod-car
       | on your way to work is to bike in place in a gym. Not, say, to
       | ride an actual bike to work and get your exercise in that way!
       | (And have other humans alongside you to boot.)
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | Slower, too.
         | 
         |  _the Citroen Autonomous Mobility Vision has a top speed of
         | only 25 km /h._
         | 
         | Which is about 15.5 mph, for us backwards Americans. I think
         | I'm faster than that on my cheap, shitty junker of a bicycle.
        
       | Svip wrote:
       | Seems slightly ironic for the company that invented the unibody
       | to re-invent a separate chassis and body.
        
       | dathinab wrote:
       | This looks like a useful thing for special purpose areas, like
       | like the kinds of areas like areas with a set of exhibition halls
       | and similar.
       | 
       | But thinking it makes sense "on a normal street" sound to me like
       | a solution from an American world view bubble.
       | 
       | Like e.g. the ground clearing of this thing is a catastrophe and
       | speed bumps are a standard solutions for reducing people going
       | gross over speed limits in many parts of the worlds (or the
       | streets are less maintained, or the streets go steep up and down
       | in the mountains).
       | 
       | Similar for many parts of the world the _proven_ solution of cars
       | is to have much less of them (and in some cases avoid unnecessary
       | large cars). Which works out quite well in many cases. And has
       | many benefits, like less resource wasted, less noise pollution,
       | less air pollution, better local economics, etc. Many of this
       | factors still apply to electric cars in some way or another.
       | 
       | The only areas where such a concept makes sense is if you:
       | 
       | - have supper well maintained roads
       | 
       | - either have a super high population density (e.g. Tokyo, or
       | Singapore) but then you probably don't have size for that fancy
       | setup you can put onto it
       | 
       | - or are supper dependent on cars to a point where it feels
       | impossible to not rely on cars (many parts of the US)
        
       | hk__2 wrote:
       | The article really reads like "here is what some marketing people
       | did and based on zero other information here is what we could
       | expect or maybe not because as I said we don't have any
       | information but here is some text just so you think there is more
       | information when in fact there is nothing".
        
         | dpark wrote:
         | They're mocking the concept. That's why there's nothing
         | interesting here. They think the idea is stupid.
         | 
         |  _" Well, perhaps when this solution comes out, the government
         | will have made sure that every square foot of tarmac is
         | perfectly level everywhere in the world. Yes, I think that's
         | right. And anyway, in these clips previewing the car in a
         | futuristic environment, you don't ever see any bumps in the
         | road, now do you?"_
        
         | dntrkv wrote:
         | Exactly my thoughts. I kept thinking the interesting part is
         | coming, but no, it's just someone's thoughts on a pre-alpha
         | concept that nobody even pretends will ever become a reality.
        
       | klyrs wrote:
       | I'd love to watch this drive over a speedbump
        
       | whatever1 wrote:
       | What about grip? Spheres have so much less contact area compared
       | to our cylindrical wheels
        
         | dpark wrote:
         | Do they? Tires only have significant contact area because they
         | deform. I would expect that with the right air pressure, these
         | would match the contact area.
         | 
         | I'm more concerned about the fact that the tires have no actual
         | tread, which means they're going to be unusable in the rain. Of
         | course this whole thing makes no sense so none of this matters.
        
       | melenaboija wrote:
       | It may still be useful for warehousing and indoor spaces
        
         | dpark wrote:
         | I had that same immediate thought and then realized that it
         | doesn't make sense there either. The interchangeable tops seems
         | uninteresting and the spherical "wheels" don't seem to deliver
         | any real value over wheels, just more complexity.
        
           | carlmr wrote:
           | >The interchangeable tops seems uninteresting
           | 
           | The interchangeable tops would be whats loaded in the
           | warehouse.
           | 
           | >and the spherical "wheels" don't seem to deliver any real
           | value over wheels, just more complexity.
           | 
           | They take away a lot of navigational complexity in a
           | warehouse setting where you don't have much space. And they
           | could do exactly the maneuvers necessary in that setting,
           | like bringing a package directly into its designated space,
           | unloading it and then driving out underneath.
        
       | rmason wrote:
       | Forget the imagined future. What's needed now is a sled complete
       | with batteries and electric motor(s) utilizing regular tires. You
       | know how many people in places like Detroit have the skill set to
       | build electric cars with that small amount of help? Create a
       | fiberglass body, source an interior and software and you're in
       | business.
       | 
       | Admittedly you won't compete against Tesla or the Big 3 but there
       | are plenty of niches where you might. They won't all be sports
       | cars either. Taxis, police cars or special purpose delivery
       | vehicles.
       | 
       | There are small profitable niches where no one has even
       | entertained the idea of battery powered cars yet. I love the idea
       | of a one pizza car company operating out of what now is an
       | abandoned warehouse in Detroit.
        
       | agumonkey wrote:
       | https://archive.md/xlM3c
        
       | trhway wrote:
       | there is no need for such radical approach. With electric motor
       | in the wheel instead of having a drive shaft, we can have regular
       | wheels turning 90 degree and thus having car move even sideways.
        
       | Someone wrote:
       | A concept car is an exercise aimed at keeping your designers
       | happy (might be cheaper and/or more effective than giving them a
       | bonus at keeping them motivated in their job) and at, maybe,
       | getting one or two good original and useful ideas.
       | 
       | The customizability in this concept is the over-the-top version
       | of what Citroen offers for the new Ami, where about EUR60 will
       | buy you a set of stickers (https://ma-belle-
       | voiture.com/en/72-citroen-ami) (I also think the idea of having
       | different 'tops' for a car isn't new, but can't find an example
       | online)
        
       | tromp wrote:
       | Discussed 3 months ago at
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28745304
        
       | at_a_remove wrote:
       | I seem to remember this about twenty years ago. Different
       | company, but the same concept -- everything was in a
       | "skateboard," with the main body being the batteries, each wheel
       | had its own motor, and you could swap out compartments.
        
       | yellow_lead wrote:
       | > How does the car cope with zero ground clearance and what seems
       | like no possible suspension travel. Well, perhaps when this
       | solution comes out, the government will have made sure that every
       | square foot of tarmac is perfectly level everywhere in the world.
       | 
       | Can't tell if this is satire.
        
         | dathinab wrote:
         | Or it's from a POV of a supper car dependent person living in a
         | supper car dependent area where that seems like something which
         | will happen if humanity has a "good" future.
        
       | Schroedingersat wrote:
       | An electric car with a stationary bike in it.
       | 
       | Yes. This is definitely the solution we need. There's no other
       | way to get exercise whilst transporting yourself.
        
         | lodovic wrote:
         | This makes sense as it has a 25 km/h top speed
        
           | Schroedingersat wrote:
           | So same as an ebike or upright bicycle then?
        
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