[HN Gopher] iPhone camera app replaces person's head with a leaf...
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       iPhone camera app replaces person's head with a leaf in photo
        
       Author : davidbarker
       Score  : 100 points
       Date   : 2021-12-30 18:00 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | matsemann wrote:
       | I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it
       | most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a
       | big selling point on a phone.
       | 
       | But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter
       | applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have
       | vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really
       | did.
        
         | akomtu wrote:
         | Big tech has this uni-modal aporoach to users: they find what
         | maximizes a metric, and works for 75% of the users, but roll it
         | out to 100%. Dealing with the remaining 25% would have low ROI.
        
           | hetspookjee wrote:
           | I never understood this one size fits all approach of a lot
           | of companies. Controlled opposition would often result in
           | higher market penetration and more net happiness
        
         | annexrichmond wrote:
         | Yeah I find that the front facing camera on the iPhone is
         | notoriously bad. The pictures it takes don't look like me
         | because it alters the skin tone and does aggressive smoothing.
         | I hate it.
        
         | naz wrote:
         | This is so common in consumer tech. Is there a name for it?
         | Like how any new TV has horrible motion interpolation and
         | sharpening enabled by default, or the bassiness of Bose/Beats
         | headphones.
        
           | Philip-J-Fry wrote:
           | Gimmicks? Something that a company needs to invent to keep
           | selling new versions of their product.
        
         | mrtksn wrote:
         | It simply means that we no longer have measuring instruments
         | who are used to draw accurate representation of the scene but
         | seed samplers who are used to generate a representation of the
         | scene, not necessarily accurately but artistically. Accuracy
         | used to be the metric but someone figured out that most people
         | are not after accuracy.
         | 
         | IMHO it's not fundamentally evil, it's just that it's not the
         | thing we are used to. Wouldn't have caused a confusion if they
         | used some other word instead of photograph.
        
         | mynameisash wrote:
         | Fully agree. My wife and I went out on a date about a month
         | ago, and during it, she took a selfie of the two of us. There
         | must have been some filter on by default because our faces
         | looked perfectly lit, our skin completely blemish-free, no
         | smile lines, etc. It was a great picture, but I remarked
         | immediately that it didn't look real. And I don't want that --
         | it's not us but an idealized, optimized version of us.
         | 
         | I similarly have mixed feelings about what I've seen lately of
         | the deep learning that 'restores' very old images to incredible
         | quality. But that quality is fake. I'm sure there's a tug at
         | the heartstrings to see a crisp image of your deceased father
         | from his high school days, but to me that seems a bit
         | revisionist. I don't know. I guess I'm just uneasy with the
         | idea of us editing our lives so readily.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | I wouldn't completely exclude the possibility that a random bit
       | flip caused the ML processing to go haywire.
        
         | 1_player wrote:
         | The probability of a bit flip enabling the leaf-replacer logic
         | instead of causing a weird heisenbug and just crashing the
         | camera app is astronomically low.
        
       | vorpalhex wrote:
       | Is it possible to opt in to this feature? I would love it if any
       | unauthorized photos of me had me replaced with background
       | scenery.
        
         | NavinF wrote:
         | Sounds like you need to watch the White Christmas episode of
         | Black Mirror.
        
       | dt2m wrote:
       | I've noticed some sort of image post-processing on the newer
       | iPhones that removes noise and graininess, and instead adds this
       | fake smoothness to all pictures. Haven't found a way to disable
       | it, save for shooting in RAW, which is impractical due to file
       | size.
       | 
       | Really disappointed that this seems to be a forced setting.
        
         | jcun4128 wrote:
         | I have a cheaper phone that has this, makes your face look
         | weird, it's too smooth
         | 
         | LG Stylo 6 has "AI cam"
        
         | berkut wrote:
         | I've had this (very agressive de-noising I think it is - it's
         | at least almost identical) since I got my iPhone 6S in 2015:
         | basically if you look at 1:1 (i.e. on a computer, as opposed to
         | the small screen of the phone), it almost looks like a
         | watercolour painting, due to how agressive it is.
         | 
         | You can pretty much see it in almost all iPhone camera review
         | sample images (and that of phones from other manufacturers).
         | 
         | Even in photos taken in direct bright sunlight!
         | 
         | I imagine it has an added side 'benefit' (due to the lack of
         | noise/grain) of decreasing the images' sizes after compression.
        
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         | rubatuga wrote:
         | I sometimes use the NightCap app for photos, and it doesn't
         | have that AI bullshit.
        
       | warning26 wrote:
       | Maybe the person really _is_ leaves, and we 're all just blind to
       | the truth
        
         | ineedasername wrote:
         | Just like the fnords.
        
         | Lamad123 wrote:
         | agree
        
       | fxtentacle wrote:
       | That looks to me like they are using deep learning with CNN for
       | denoising. NVIDIA OptiX can produce similar artifacts.
       | 
       | However, it appears they forgot to add a loss term to penalize if
       | the source and the denoised result image turn out too different.
       | NVIDIA's denoiser has user-configurable parameters for this
       | trade-off.
        
         | ladberg wrote:
         | I think it would be impossible to train the model in the first
         | place without that loss term.
        
       | hughrr wrote:
       | Well it's in telephoto and 1/121 exposure so the photographer was
       | probably wobbling around like mad when it was taken and the
       | overlay and computational image stuff got confused.
       | 
       | I'm fine with this. I use a mini tripod with my 13 pro on
       | telephoto. Back in the old days this would just look like ass
       | instead.
        
       | ineedasername wrote:
       | Maybe iPhones are now making aesthetic decisions? *"No, that
       | person's face... Well, let's just cover it with a leaf."
       | 
       | It puts the censorship of Renaissance paintings & statues with
       | figleafs over the naughty bits in a new perspective.
        
       | implying wrote:
       | This reminds me of Huawei camera app detecting pictures of the
       | moon and superimposing a clear stock photo into your picture:
       | https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-p30-pro-moon-mode-co...
        
       | Cerium wrote:
       | "Cameras" making changes to the image like this make the
       | discussion about the image processing pipeline during the
       | Rittenhouse trial seem a little less bizarre.
        
         | tandymodel100 wrote:
         | No, not really
        
           | kahrl wrote:
           | Yes, yes really. When real resolution is being substituted
           | with the best guess of a completely closed source image
           | processor, the court should be made aware of it.
        
             | tandymodel100 wrote:
             | This sounds like a weird rationalization for an absurd case
             | of technical ignorance. Like when people defended nuking
             | hurricanes or using UV lights as a Covid therapy.
        
       | alkonaut wrote:
       | Those of us who have been shooting large digital cameras for the
       | past decade and are some times sad that our photos often come out
       | unsharp in poor light compared to smartphones can at least take
       | some joy in this "no free lunch" demonstration.
       | 
       | If this is due to stabilization and not some background blur face
       | detection then it's probably _not_ something you can (or would
       | want to) disable. Taking a telephoto shot with a tiny sensor in
       | something other than great light (even a heavy overcast is often
       | not enough) will require a _lot_ of software processing. I'm not
       | sure exactly what happened here but I'm pretty sure everyone
       | asking for "unmodified raw photos" to be produced don't
       | understand what they are asking for. Those "unmodified" photos
       | would be unusable in most cases outside very bright conditions.
        
       | vardump wrote:
       | I wonder if this has any implications over iPhone (or cellphones
       | in general) photos in court.
       | 
       | This might be brought up to overturn any photo evidence from
       | phones.
        
       | hulitu wrote:
        
       | londons_explore wrote:
       | The cause of this is image-stacking.
       | 
       | The phone takes ~20 frames, over 0.2 seconds. In that time, lots
       | of people and things in the frame move.
       | 
       | Optical flow is used to track all moving parts of the image, and
       | then 'undo' any movement, aligning all parts of the image.
       | 
       | Then the frames are combined, usually by, for each pixel, taking
       | something like the median or throwing out outliers and using the
       | average.
       | 
       | When the optical flow fails to track an object in more than half
       | the frames, the 'outliers' that are thrown out can in fact be the
       | image content you wanted.
       | 
       | It happens with leaves a lot because they can flutter fast from
       | one frame to the next, so tracking each individual leaf is hard.
       | A few bad tracking results on more than half the frames, and all
       | you end up seeing is leaves where there should be a face..
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | What this means: Apple has been using ML to increase apparent
       | resolution of its camera.
       | 
       | There should be a law to force vendor to disclose real camera
       | resolution.
        
       | pryce wrote:
       | how do we exclude the possibility that we are just seeing a leaf
       | on its way falling (or blowing) between the subject that the
       | photographer?
       | 
       | Logically an event like that would be followed by the iphone not
       | detecting a face, and therefore not applying its usual face-
       | related black-box features?
       | 
       | Supposing this is the case and is 'bad', what exactly do we
       | expect 'better behaviour' would mean in this situation?
        
       | micheljansen wrote:
       | This gives me the same feeling as those ML-powered "enhanced
       | zoom" features: where does the photograph end and the machine
       | made-up fantasy start?
        
         | gsliepen wrote:
         | Obligatory Red Dwarf reference:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aINa6tg3fo
        
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