[HN Gopher] Depression alters the circadian pattern of online ac...
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       Depression alters the circadian pattern of online activity
        
       Author : giuliomagnifico
       Score  : 43 points
       Date   : 2022-01-01 19:22 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | tailspin2019 wrote:
       | Interesting article but it relies primarily on people posting on
       | Twitter that they have been diagnosed with depression. I have to
       | wonder how many people with depression actually do this, and
       | whether this ends up producing a rather unique and self-selected
       | group who's social media habits may not necessarily represent the
       | "norm".
       | 
       | And this from the introduction seems to be a bit of a simplistic
       | conclusion:
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       | > These results suggest that diagnosis and treatment of
       | depression may focus on modifying the timing of activity,
       | reducing rumination, and decreasing social media use at specific
       | hours of the day.
       | 
       | I find this odd partly because the three things listed here are
       | "actions" and don't seem to contribute to "diagnosis". I assume
       | they meant that late night social media use may be symptomatic of
       | depression but they don't seem to actually say that (nor does
       | this seem to be a strong conclusion to draw from this particular
       | study?)
       | 
       | Secondly, it's well known that reducing rumination is an
       | effective treatment for depression and that's one of the things
       | that CBT interventions help to tackle.
       | 
       | So this leaves us with "modifying the timing of activity and
       | decreasing social media use at specific hours of the day" (which
       | appear to be the same thing).
       | 
       | Now there is likely something in this. Eg Trying to break bad
       | late-night habits of reading social media instead of sleeping,
       | but I'd also argue that this is more of a symptom of depression
       | rather than a cause (though it's definitely a vicious circle).
       | 
       | Perhaps I've just got my cynical hat on. I have to admit I
       | haven't read the entire paper so perhaps it's just the intro that
       | doesn't do the best job of summarising the results. (Or I'm not
       | being charitable enough in my reading of it).
        
       | hellbannedguy wrote:
        
       | ineedasername wrote:
       | It seems to imply a reversal of the cause-effect relationship
       | that some people may experience:
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       | I don't doubt that poor sleep habits can contribute to depression
       | and help bring on a bout of it all on its own. However, my
       | experience is the opposite. Depression severely reduces my
       | ability to sleep. What sleep I get is restless and filled with
       | intrusive thoughts. In the internet age, it does not surprise me
       | that many people in this situation would turn to internet usage
       | in this situation to occupy their minds rather than lay miserably
       | in the dark drifting in & out. With or without that internet
       | activity, this becomes a downward spiral:
       | 
       | --depressed [?] can't sleep.
       | 
       | --Sleep deprivation [?] worsened depression
       | 
       | --worse depression [?] worse sleep
       | 
       | I'm sure the often toxic nature of social media only makes this
       | worse, and also that the short-term relief from inner ruminations
       | through internet distractions also just makes the sleep
       | deprivation worse as well.
       | 
       | When depression [?] can't sleep (rather than the inverse, which
       | also happens) is the causal chain, treating the symptoms of poor
       | sleep or late-night internet usage won't help quite so much with
       | the underlying cause: depression itself. But this article
       | unfortunately seems to focus on that line of treatment, e.g.,
       | with CBT. However I do not mean to discount the information in
       | this study: It demonstrates some very useful knowledge as well. I
       | would simply have liked them to have explored the topic of
       | whether late-night activity preceded depression or not. Although
       | early warning signs can progress slowly & subtly to the point
       | where it may not always be clear.
        
         | whatshisface wrote:
         | Depression has a lot of other negative reinforcement loops. A
         | few examples:
         | 
         | Pessimism about other people's thoughts about you -> Expressed
         | cynicism and negativity towards friends about themselves ->
         | Actual, provoked negative thoughts -> Reinforcement for
         | pessimism.
         | 
         | Feeling like effort is pointless -> reduced effort -> fewer
         | examples of effort succeeding -> reinforcement that effort is
         | pointless.
         | 
         | Feeling unhealthy -> lacking energy -> insufficient self-care
         | -> becoming less healthy.
         | 
         | I think people will come to see depression as a pit in the
         | vast, multidimensional state space of the psyche, that can be
         | approached from an infinite number of directions, and whose
         | mechanism is the random overlapping of thousands of
         | reinforcement cycles, which happen to reinforce the same thing
         | at that one specific point.
        
       | csee wrote:
       | "Compared to the control group, depressed subjects were
       | significantly more active from 7 PM to midnight and _less active
       | from 3 to 6 AM_. "
        
         | ipnon wrote:
         | We must wake up before dawn and surf the web then.
        
         | tinyhouse wrote:
         | Yeah, I read the abstract and also didn't get this part.
        
         | watwut wrote:
         | Would this suggest that depressed people pull less all
         | nighters?
        
           | kjaftaedi wrote:
           | It seems to suggest that non-depressed people are more active
           | from 3-6am, which is strange because the vast majority of
           | people are not active during these times.
        
           | Apocryphon wrote:
           | There's also those studies that indicate prolonged sleep
           | deprivation might help reduce depression. Maybe after a long
           | stint of wakefulness, in the wee hours the depressed shift
           | back to being non-depressed!
        
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