[HN Gopher] Jerrycan
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Jerrycan
Author : brudgers
Score : 172 points
Date : 2022-01-03 21:33 UTC (1 days ago)
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| edflsafoiewq wrote:
| It says
|
| > The stamped indentations on the sides serve two purposes: to
| stiffen the side sheet metal and to allow greater area for
| expansion and contraction of the contents with heat and cold
|
| How does it do that?
| MrLeap wrote:
| Same principle behind corrugated steel / I-Beams, C-Beams,
| cardboard.
|
| If you fold a piece of paper like an accordion, you'll find
| it's much harder to bend the paper along one axis but the
| parallel axis is easy.
|
| Notice the indentations on the jerrycan are in perpendicular
| directions (they look like an X).
| bluesmoon wrote:
| Older folks in India still refer to these as Jerrycans. We used
| to use them to hold kerosene when I was a kid.
| MichaelMoser123 wrote:
| > The British used cans captured from the "Jerries" (Germans) -
| hence "jerrycans"
|
| Wouldn't that make them "Krautcans" ? I thought that "Kraut" was
| more common as a derogative for Germans.
| brodouevencode wrote:
| https://www.quora.com/Do-Germans-find-the-word-Jerry-offensi...
| adolph wrote:
| Reading the etymological link [0] from Wikipedia I have an idea
| that it comes from a diminutive form of the first syllable to
| the word German. This English StackExchange answer [1] seems to
| conceptually back me up a bit, calling it hypocorism [2]:
|
| _English forms nicknames in a variety of manners. Shortening,
| often to the first syllable . . . . Addition of the diminutive
| suffix, usually -ie or -y. It is often added to the end of an
| already shortened name. This suffix connotes smallness or
| endearment._
|
| I'm certain someone will object to the idea of soldiers having
| a term of "endearment" for the "enemy," and so I'll stress
| "smallness" rather than using a name with MAN in it.
|
| 0. https://www.etymonline.com/word/Jerry
|
| 1. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8767/changes-
| in-...
|
| 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocorism
| pandemicsyn wrote:
| I don't know if it was a derogative/pejorative? I always
| thought Jerry was just shorthand slang similar as Brit was to
| the British and Yanks to American's , Aussies to Australians
| ...even prior to WW2 (Germany -> Jerry) ?
| gorgoiler wrote:
| The cam-tightening metal caps on these are so satisfying to open
| and close. Fond memories of mowing the lawn / nearly burning
| myself to pieces playing with gasoline.
| Sparkle-san wrote:
| Who can drink 5 liters of petrol and not become ill? Jerry can
| [deleted]
| londons_explore wrote:
| In 2022, this story would have ended with....
|
| And the proprietary "Jerry" can, made by Jerry Corp was patented.
| When the company that made it suffered financial difficulties,
| production stopped and no more cans were ever made, due to the
| patent.
| julienpalard wrote:
| Some even transforms them to servers: https://youandjerrycan.org/
| post_break wrote:
| Wavian is the way to go for a metal can. Scepter is good but was
| banned and parts are expensive (In the US, Canadians have the
| freedom to buy from Canadian Tire). VP racing jugs are fantastic
| for plastic. You can get them much cheaper at tractor supply as
| they are sold for farm liquids, not for fuel, but they are
| exactly the same thing as the VP racing jugs. I used wavian for
| diesel, VP racing for gas or E85 when racing. Now they're all gas
| for my generator.
| YeGoblynQueenne wrote:
| So, the Germans made a can that was easy to fill, easy to carry,
| easy to stack, didn't leak and didn't break easily.
|
| Then the Americans copied it and made a can that leaked (because
| it didn't have the recessed seam of the original) and needed
| tools (spanner and funnel) to fill.
|
| The British had an early version that split in transport,
| punctured easily, leaked a quarter of the fuel they carried over
| rough roads and "gave vehicles a propensity to catch fire" (!)
| but when they saw the German design they immediately cottonned-on
| and made several improvements (cam lever cap release, air pocket
| and air pipe for smooth flow, gasket to leak-proof the mouth).
|
| Finally, the Russians copied the German design, presumably
| without changes.
|
| There is a deep lesson in all of this about the engineering
| practices, or perhaps the engineering traditions, of different
| nations. I'm sure there is.
|
| I just can't get past the "gave vehicles a propensity to catch
| fire" bit.
| tensorturtle wrote:
| Another significant but unnoted design feature is the ability to
| pass a strap through multiple jerrycans in a row. Essential for
| mounting them externally to Humvees and MATVs.
| [deleted]
| marcodiego wrote:
| HN front page really is a bit of a lottery. I posted it 2 months
| ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29071733 and it got 0
| comments and 0 points.
| joemi wrote:
| This makes perfect sense given that humans voting is involved
| and humans are not always consistent.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Yes. I'm stating with some surprise. Not complaining.
| anyfactor wrote:
| There is an element of randomness for sure. A post or thread
| will become popular based on the timing and the first
| interactions and comments. Maybe your timing was off.
|
| Also that is why I try my best to always comment in positive
| notes whenever I am the first person there. Even though it is
| easy to sound smart when you are being cynical but trying to
| see the positive sides may hep an OP feel good for the day :)
| mannerheim wrote:
| Fortunately Germans and their descendents are fairly well-off,
| otherwise we'd have to come up with an alternative word for
| jerrycan that doesn't contain an ethnic slur.
| beaconstudios wrote:
| I don't think Jerry is a slur as much as a slang demonym like
| "Tommy" was for British soldiers. I think "kraut" would be
| closer to a slur but I don't know how that's received - it
| seems too quaint to be offensive in my eyes.
| stcredzero wrote:
| I've been at the receiving end of stuff like that. Here's how
| it works. If the phrase is meant to make the recipient feel
| like a target, or feel inferior, and it does, then it's a
| slur. It's highly contextual.
|
| If you peel things back a layer, it's all about someone being
| made "other." This is why some people in 2021 who tell
| themselves they are standing against racism read just like
| the racists who bashed me when I was young: They are the ones
| self-righteously justified in demoting someone from full
| human status. Yes, racists often convince themselves they are
| making the world a better place! It's that aspect that's key!
|
| One doesn't fight othering by targeting a fellow human being
| as "other." One doesn't fight hate by promulgating more hate.
| The right side of history is about empathy, compassion, and
| convincing. The wrong side tries to disguise the opposite of
| the above as compassion.
| beaconstudios wrote:
| Yeah obviously offense is derived in part from intent as
| well as historical and current cultural usage. I don't
| think anyone is shouting "damned Jerry!" while spitting at
| Germans in the street though. There are plenty of words in
| the world that _are_ used that way, that we should be
| concerned about and avoid using (and criticise /educate
| others for using, depending on usage). At the end of the
| day it all comes back to "don't abuse people".
| krylon wrote:
| As a German, I find "kraut" more amusing than offensive. I
| can only speak for myself, of course, but I think a majority
| of Germans would find the term more humorous than anything
| else.
|
| Full disclosure, though, I like Sauerkraut a lot, which might
| play into it.
| bigmattystyles wrote:
| Counterpoint, calling any Vietnamese person Charlie is very
| offensive.
| chrissnell wrote:
| Declaring a name "offensive" to an entire race of people is
| a stereotype and also offensive.
| adolph wrote:
| Which is kinda strange since the VC were very effective.
| mulmen wrote:
| The VC didn't call themselves VC. Any Vietnamese person
| you meet in the US today is unlikely to be "VC". It's
| like calling Germans Nazis.
| mannerheim wrote:
| Most Vietnamese in America are from South Vietnam or
| descended from those from there, so that's probably one of
| the bigger reasons for their offense.
| Fatnino wrote:
| It's a very short hop from the word Ger(man) to Jerr(y)
| pfranz wrote:
| Eh. I feel like that diminishes why hurtful names fall out of
| favor. I also think while it's interesting slang, I wouldn't
| lose sleep if it was replaced. To your point, afaik it hasn't
| really been used as hurtful slang since the war.
|
| I can't speak for the world, but in my experience descendants
| of Jews are fairly well-off and there's quite a few slang words
| people don't use anymore.
| hereforphone wrote:
| Just because you don't like this person's comment doesn't mean
| it's incorrect. Try and keep an open mind. But I don't agree
| that it's due to being "well off". If it were called a "Japcan"
| there would be backlash.
| ddoran wrote:
| Related article and discussion from 11 years ago: "The
| Wehrmachtkanister, a/k/a Jerrycan: Astonishingly good industrial
| design from the 1930s" [1]
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2692840
| usrbinbash wrote:
| It's amazing what impact something that seems that simple on the
| surface can have on something as complex as a theater of war.
| From the article:
|
| > _Such was the importance of the cans in the war effort that the
| President Roosevelt administration noted "Without these cans it
| would have been impossible for our armies to cut their way across
| France at a lightning pace..._
|
| Good engineering, even in the simplest things, can have a huge
| impact.
| johnflan wrote:
| Especially when you consider
|
| > A battalion could use almost a hundred gallons (about 450
| litres) of fuel per day in making tea.
|
| Via the Wikipedia pages on the Benghazi burner
| dmix wrote:
| Here's some pictures of what the US millitary replaced the
| Jerrycan with (A-A-59592 B):
|
| https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=A%2DA%2D59592%20B&t...
|
| > The National Stock Number is 7240-00-222-3088. It is considered
| obsolete by a new A-A-59592 B specification, having been replaced
| with high-density polyethylene versions.
|
| A website with the scope and original development documents for
| the replacement of the traditional jerrycan (plenty of military
| bureaucracy went into this too):
| https://quicksearch.dla.mil/qsDocDetails.aspx?ident_number=2...
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| We had some power outages last year so I bought a generator. I
| had to buy three different jerry cans before I found one that was
| compatible with the fuel vapor reclamation systems that are on
| modern gas pumps (or at least all the pumps near me). Basically,
| if the fuel pump nozzle can't create a (near) air tight seal on
| the jerry can, it won't dispense fuel because it needs vacuum
| pressure to reclaim the vapor. Most jerry cans now have a mesh
| filter or some other kind of impediment inside the nozzle that is
| usually there for a good reason, but often prevents a seal of the
| fuel pump nozzle.
|
| If you're thinking about getting a generator, get a compatible
| jerry can before the emergency.
| quesera wrote:
| In the US, this varies by state.
|
| Some states require vapor recovery nozzles, some do not.
|
| Some states allow a latching valve trigger, some do not.
|
| Some states allow you pump your own gas, some (until recently
| at least) do not.
|
| ...
|
| Not sure if this is still true (I no longer live in a vapor
| recovery state!) but you used to be able to trick the sensors
| by pushing the recovery hood back with one hand before pulling
| the valve trigger with the other. This might even be an
| intentional bypass for filling containers?
| mulmen wrote:
| When I fill my motorcycles I hold the hood back. The fill
| hole is too large for the hood to work anyway and if I insert
| the nozzle all the way I would end up with less than half a
| tank of gas.
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| > you used to be able to trick the sensors by pushing the
| recovery hood back with one hand before pulling the valve
| trigger with the other. This might even be an intentional
| bypass for filling containers?
|
| Good tip, I actually asked a couple of gas station attendants
| and they had no idea how to get around it. I'll give it a
| shot with one of the cans I wasn't able to fill.
| londons_explore wrote:
| This is a USA only problem. In the rest of the world, a gas
| (petrol) pump will happily dispense into a bathtub if you want
| it to...
| ljf wrote:
| And not sure if it an issue across all of America. I saw a
| video of a man who had lined his pick up trunk bed with
| plastic sheeting and was filling it with fuel before driving
| off. I assume there was no vacuum there? Unless it was a fake
| video? https://youtu.be/CbTfmI7XCTQ
| a_t48 wrote:
| Top comment on the video says it's likely faked :)
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| Yes, it used to work that way here. I don't believe it's USA
| only though, this environmental protection system appears to
| be used in Canada as well. Apparently these systems aren't
| needed any longer as vehicles built since 2006 have vapor
| recovery systems built in (which is also why it's detrimental
| to your vehicle to "top up" your fuel tank now).
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| Military design is fascinating: because they have such a huge
| number of testers, small details like the expansion indents and
| the dual-purpose handles evolve.
|
| Today I see these lashed to the sides of Suburban Assault
| Vehicles all over town, typically paired with a Roof Tent, an
| axe, a shovel, and an engine snorkel (and a pristine paint job).
| WalterBright wrote:
| You can always tell a never-off off-road vehicle by not a spec
| of dirt on the brightly painted differential.
| tshaddox wrote:
| On the other hand, people might just occasionally clean their
| vehicles.
| WalterBright wrote:
| Including the differential? Very rare.
| throwaway0a5e wrote:
| Your original comment was just facially wrong to begin
| with. A diff cover is gonna get nice and dirty with just
| normal road use.
|
| Vehicle undersides should get washed fairly regularly
| anywhere there's road salt. People tend to wash off mud
| too because it traps moisture and causes corrosion
| (slower than salt though).
| WalterBright wrote:
| > should
|
| Yah, who does that? 1 in a thousand? And if you drive
| through a car wash, nary a squirt is directed at the
| underside.
|
| The _real_ offroaders have filthy vehicles.
|
| Besides, pressure washing the underside is a risky thing
| to do:
|
| 1. it drives off the grease and oil, which protect it
| from rusting
|
| 2. the pressure can dislodge wires and other things
|
| 3. it can force water into cavities and gaps where it can
| cause trouble
|
| 4. it can erode gaskets
|
| 5. the bottom of the car has drain holes, pressure
| washing will force dirty water up into the cab
| bluGill wrote:
| Unless you repaint it that will just show all the
| scratches. It is hard to spend time off road without
| scratching paint.
| creato wrote:
| If you mean literally driving off any road through bushes
| or something, maybe.
|
| But the vehicle described above just sounds like an
| average camping setup (aside from the snorkel) that
| doesn't need to get scratched up to get used. Although I
| think rooftop tents are pointless.
| adolph wrote:
| Who hasn't spraypainted fake-carc right over that gas-dust
| that collects in the handles?
| real-dino wrote:
| I have one I use for my diesel heater. I only ever fill it half
| way up though, as walking more than a minute with it full to the
| brim is a painful affair.
| ticklemyelmo wrote:
| You need a partner to use its two-man mode!
| real-dino wrote:
| I carried one with a friend, and this functionality didn't
| help that much, we still had to take turns. Especially on a
| narrow towpath.
| ape4 wrote:
| Somebody is going to name their software product "Jerrycan" in
| 2022.
| klyrs wrote:
| Will it carry "gas" for a cryptocurrency?
| trutannus wrote:
| I fully expected this to link to a software project of some
| sort. Apache Jerrycan sounds like a convincing software I would
| believe existed.
|
| Edit: I was surprised to learn that jerrycan.js does not exist
| either.
| acherion wrote:
| Slight tangent here, but back when I owned a 1995 BMW 525i I
| discovered while browsing a parts catalog that BMW had developed
| a special emergency fuel jerry can[0] that slots into the spare
| wheel. The can was flat bottomed but the sides curved to fit
| inside the spare wheel (it was a full sized wheel back then) and
| it had a removable metal hose that clipped on the top when not in
| use. It was a fantastic piece of design. It held 9 litres if I
| recall correctly, so it wasn't too heavy to carry when full (of
| course, you store it empty, and if you run out of fuel you take
| the empty can to the nearest fuel stop and fill up there).
|
| I was lucky to find one on eBay that was in new condition, and I
| kept the can when I traded in my BMW for another BMW,
| unfortunately my current car uses runflats and hence no spare
| wheel, so I just keep my jerry can in the garage.
|
| [0] https://classics.pt/images/artigos/deposito-roda-
| suplente-9l...
| jmspring wrote:
| Wavian makes good Jerrycans. They were severely backlogged during
| covid. I have a few that I keep with each of my vehicles.
| CapitalistCartr wrote:
| https://wavianusa.com/
| jmspring wrote:
| Yep.
| nsxwolf wrote:
| Protip: In video games, if you shoot the red ones they explode.
| JCM9 wrote:
| :-) This is one of these fake physics things that action movies
| and video games have put into our heads. In reality if you
| shoot a fuel can it will likely just leak out of the hole and
| maybe, if you're lucky, a spark will be created that lights the
| fuel leaking out on fire.
|
| It almost certainly won't "explode" as there's no oxidizer in
| the can apart from a bit of air. Tannerite does explode on
| shooting but that's because it's a precise mixture of fuel and
| oxidizer that reacts easily on high speed compression.
| toxik wrote:
| A near empty can may approach stoichiometric ratios though!
| Gas is combustible.
| dinkleberg wrote:
| I know this is a tangent to the topic at hand, but this
| reminded me of an interesting video I felt compelled to share.
|
| It's a video on the history of explosive barrels in video games
| https://youtu.be/LMYEE8lvlvA
| sli wrote:
| I knew this would be the Ahoy video before clicking. He makes
| some really excellent videos and nearly all of them would be
| at home on HN.
| tyilo wrote:
| They're made of steel? I've never seen one in real life, so I
| assumed they were made of plastic.
| WalterBright wrote:
| It's amazing how much clever engineering went into such a simple
| device.
|
| And how much it is forgotten today. I have a couple 5 gallon
| plastic gas containers. They are terrible in comparison. For
| example, instead of an air pipe to allow smooth pouring, there's
| a separate cap which has to be unscrewed, and then the cap is
| inevitably lost.
|
| Modern ones have this spring-loaded spout, which is supposed to
| prevent spillage. It inevitably _causes_ spillage, because the
| spring is so strong you cannot regulate the flow, and the tank
| fills too fast and overflows. I _hate_ spilling gas every time I
| load the lawnmower tank.
| frosted-flakes wrote:
| But the separate air vent works so much better than the spouts
| with an integrated air pipe. The cap normally has a tether so
| it doesn't get lost.
| WalterBright wrote:
| The tether soon broke on all my cans, and I was careful with
| them.
| eigenvalue wrote:
| You should buy one of the original design cans on eBay. I just
| checked and they are around $35 (but another $20+ for
| shipping!).
| [deleted]
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| My spout has on two occasions, come off completely and ended up
| _inside_ the tank! Looking at it, this shouldn 't be possible,
| but it somehow happened.
| dharmab wrote:
| You can thank an overly specific EPA regulation for the
| terrible spouts.
|
| https://ezpourspout.com/why-gas-can-spouts-changed/
|
| You can still get the old style spout in Canada. There are also
| companies that sell "replacement spouts for water cans" that
| look suspiciously like the old gas spouts.
| duxup wrote:
| I always assumed the internal plastic cap on my plastic
| containers was to avoid fumes escaping or something like that.
|
| Also the ergonomics of my plastic container and spout are
| pretty great / look better than the jerrycan for my use.
| toast0 wrote:
| There's a company selling new metal cans and an optional 'for
| amusement only' long flexible spout. They've got a better
| CARB/EPA compliant spout than the plastic cans, too, but it
| still leaks more fuel than the amusing spout.
| throw0101a wrote:
| > _I have a couple 5 gallon plastic gas containers. They are
| terrible in comparison._
|
| There are terrible designs _everywhere_ : read _The Design of
| Everyday Things_ by Don Norman.
|
| Heck, even _doors_ : the moment you have to put signs that say
| "push" and "pull" on a door you know it's a terrible design.
| Have a look at product reviews on _American 's Test Kitchen_'s
| YouTube channel, and things as 'simple' as spatulas and cooking
| pans can be have bad designs.
|
| If you want old-school design "jerry cans", checkout Wavian for
| metal options:
|
| * https://wavianusa.com/collections/nato-fuel-cans
|
| For plastic (HDPE ) options in the same design language see
| Scepter:
|
| * https://www.scepter.com/products/consumer-products/
|
| Comparison discussion between the two:
|
| * https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/scepter-mfc-vs-
| wa...
| WalterBright wrote:
| Oh yes, I read and have a copy of Norman's book. Every
| engineer should read it.
| 83 wrote:
| We can't get Scepter MFC cans in the US, I've searched
| extensively. Not sure if that's due to California CARB or the
| federal save the children rules. We can overpay on ebay to
| buy them second hand from Canada though. It's a shame because
| I'd love to have a durable can that doesn't spill and leak
| like crazy like the newer ones. I'll probably try the
| Wavians, but plastic cans are superior to metal for my
| intended use so it's a compromise.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| k_bx wrote:
| That is an excellent YouTube channel, the reviews in
| particular. Thank you.
| sysadmindotfail wrote:
| MidwayUSA makes these for HarborFreight now -
| https://www.harborfreight.com/5-gallon-jerry-can-99551.html
| WalterBright wrote:
| It advertises an "automatic shutoff". This may be the same
| wretched gas-spilling device on my gas can.
| bitbckt wrote:
| Buy a Wavian and the One True(TM) nozzle:
| https://armysurpluswarehouse.com/wavian-jerry-can-nozzle/
| dotancohen wrote:
| > Heck, even doors: the moment you have to put signs that say
| "push" and "pull" on a door you know it's a terrible design.
|
| I recently pulled on a push door that had a pull handle. One
| of the condescending managers there asked if I could read. I
| answered that I always pull before I push to avoid merge
| conflicts. I have no idea if he understood.
| mrslave wrote:
| I had to fight my metal-over-plastic instinct when it came to
| jerrycans. I've seen some metal ones rust internally and
| affect the stored liquid. Plastic ones are color coded which
| is another boon. They're lighter, and you can get them
| smaller than 20L.
| dbot wrote:
| I've had Wavians for a couple years. In our lake community,
| we get compliments about our gas cans. It's amazing how
| people respond when you build something well.
| js2 wrote:
| > I hate spilling gas every time I load the lawnmower tank.
|
| I finally got fed up enough with my gas mower that I switched
| to an Ego electric mower. No, it doesn't cut as well as my
| Honda did, but it cuts well enough, and not dealing with gas
| makes the experience so much more pleasant.
|
| For reference, I'm mowing fescue grass in NC, have a sloped
| yard on the side and in back, and it takes me about 45 minutes
| to mow the entire property. I use the mulching blades and don't
| bother bagging. I usually have about 15-20% battery left when
| I'm done. I've only mowed one season so far. I don't recharge
| till the day I mow so I'm not storing the battery at 100%.
| jsight wrote:
| Ego products are great. I just wish the batteries were a bit
| less expensive.
| wtf_is_up wrote:
| I've used EGO mower and weed eater for 3 years. Very similar
| use case as yours. It was a great decision in hindsight. I
| also love how quiet they are compared to gas equipment.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Ego electric lawn products are very good.
| 14 wrote:
| I much prefer the cap design. All mine were connected to the
| can so you would not lose them. I did ones time forget it was
| open and ended up dumping a bunch of diesel on myself. The nice
| part of the cap design is you can widen the hole slightly and
| get a much faster poor where most Air tube designs are small
| and incredibly slow.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| Is there a name for the effect where there is a superior product
| X, everyone who uses it agrees that X is superior (to the point
| of acquiring their own personal X's when they can), but when
| shown to those responsible for procurement, they say "I don't get
| it" and continue to order the same old thing?
|
| I'm specifically thinking of cases where it's not corruption
| causing the purchases, but plain-old incompetence.
| chmod600 wrote:
| That's called "central planning". Central planners simply can't
| collect the right information anywhere near quickly enough to
| make efficient decisions.
|
| Modern computing means it works for quantifiable things. But
| when it's something like inconvenience, it's hard to quantify
| and central planning will still fail.
| AdamN wrote:
| You might be interested in the concept of 'satisficing'. A
| product needs to be significantly better to replace an existing
| product that is satisfactory.
|
| Your point is slightly different though and can be seen with
| M16 still being the assault rifle of choice in the US military
| even though it's not as good as other products by most
| measures. That's more the IBM effect where the agent deciding
| which option to buy has nothing to gain by challenging the
| status quo. If IBM fails, it's not your fault. If you choose
| something else and it fails, it's your fault. Success won't be
| recognized either way so the obvious choice for a purchase is
| IBM.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| It's interesting because the difference between the jerrican
| and existing cans were lots of small affordances that add up:
| fewer tools needed and easier to move around. In the end,
| soldiers will find a way to put gas in vehicles, so there's
| never a problem from the strategic view even though several
| small efficiencies can add up to a big difference both for a
| single person gassing up a tank and then multiplied by the
| number of tanks that are involved in warfare.
|
| When OS X came out about 20 years ago, the UI was so much
| better than Linux desktop environments of the time. I think
| that is a relatively uncontroversial view, but try fitting
| the differences between them into a checkbox-style
| acquisition table and they both use the basic WIMP interface;
| the obvious differences (icon dock, global menu bar) are if
| anything something that people moving from Linux to Mac
| _dislike_ about it, yet those same people will tell you that
| the overall experience is better.
| tomatotomato37 wrote:
| I'm imagine sunken costs fallacy applies too with the costs
| being tooling, supply lines, etc. Changing from smooth tin
| cans to stamped steel cans with internal liners does require
| a substantial investment in new tooling.
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