[HN Gopher] Iceraven - Firefox for Android fork with more add-on...
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       Iceraven - Firefox for Android fork with more add-ons and
       configuration options
        
       Author : mmwelt
       Score  : 144 points
       Date   : 2022-01-04 16:07 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | nick__m wrote:
       | About a year ago, I used to use Iceraven but I switched back to
       | FF nightly when support for custom addons list was added back.
       | 
       | Even though I like the project, I consider that it's what FF for
       | Android should have been, I returned to FF because nowadays a
       | browser needs frequent security updates and Iceraven is not
       | staffed to have frequent releases.
        
         | LanternLight83 wrote:
         | It's a shame that this is the case for 99% of alternative
         | browsers and forks. Sometimes I think the only solution would
         | be to embrace something like Gopher, where hostile sites aren't
         | feasible and browsers are free to diversify without constant
         | maintenance.
        
       | SubzeroCarnage wrote:
       | I maintain the Mull fork and also help maintain Fennec F-Droid.
       | (Currently compiling 96.1.0 as I type this).
       | 
       | Both are fully compiled from source and available on F-Droid.
       | 
       | I personally cannot recommend Iceraven as it is consistently
       | behind updates, something you don't want for a browser.
       | 
       | https://divestos.org/misc/ffa-dates.txt
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | igorstellar wrote:
       | Perhaps offtop, Is there at least 1 browser for Android that
       | supports per-page zoom? Safari does it on iOS with a super simple
       | setting, but the only way to increase font size in ANY of Android
       | browsers is to increase scale in Accessibility which will break
       | some websites with larger fonts. I feel like this is super basic
       | feature that I can't find.
        
       | jsmith99 wrote:
       | If you just want extension support without a whitelist, Firefox
       | Nightly for Android lets you supply a custom list of extensions
       | (called an AMO) which you can add any extension to.
       | 
       | https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...
        
         | brnt wrote:
         | So now I need to create accounts and lists, where I really just
         | wanted one particular add-on. Its a workaround at best.
        
         | joecool1029 wrote:
         | You can also use Iceraven's custom extension collection on
         | firefox nightly.
         | 
         | userid: 16201230
         | 
         | name: What-I-want-on-Fenix
        
         | gkoberger wrote:
         | Small nitpick, but AMO is just our internal acronym for
         | addons.mozilla.org, which is where all the extensions come
         | from!
        
         | m4rtink wrote:
         | Thats a lot of fragile manual steps, not to mention needing a
         | user account and being dependent on Mozilla infra. Hardly
         | straightforward + not to mention addons on Android Firefox
         | overall still barely working in the new Android version, with
         | no visible progress to fix that.
        
         | asimops wrote:
         | The question is, why I would want to install a nightly just for
         | add-ons? To my knowledge you f.e. need an add-on to block a
         | specific cookie, because FF Android doesn't have this option...
         | The question is when/if the product manager at Mozilla will
         | realize the state of the browser at some point :/ I can just
         | say that as far as I am concerned, the only thing that is
         | keeping me with FF Android is the vendor lock-in with FF Sync.
        
           | mod50ack wrote:
           | Yeah, this is dumb as hell. Thankfully, Fennec F-Droid
           | enables it for stable builds.
        
         | jaynetics wrote:
         | Yeah, just do these 5 steps in FF, then register at that
         | website, and do a bunch of steps there for every single
         | extension you want to install.
         | 
         | Or rather, if you just want extension support, don't use FF. (I
         | for one am very happy with Kiwi. OP fork also sounds nice.)
        
           | jsmith99 wrote:
           | It's a bit inconvenient but you only need to do it once. I
           | like Kiwi as well and it seems to get frequent updates now,
           | at least as github releases (play store version is updated
           | less often).
        
             | brnt wrote:
             | No, I'll forever need to register my Firefoxes on mobile,
             | and fight any 'inadvertent' changes that store personal
             | data in the future.
             | 
             | I prefer my software stateless, having me register accounts
             | adds work and seems to me to be at best a silly workaround.
        
       | colordrops wrote:
       | I've gone the opposite direction and installed Firefox Focus.
       | 
       | I found myself accumulating 100s of tabs that I would supposedly
       | get back to, and it was causing anxiety. Firefox focus is
       | ephemeral and your tabs will disappear. It doesn't permanently
       | store cookies. It has a built in ad blocker. It's perfect to keep
       | me "focused" on the task at hand.
        
         | user_7832 wrote:
         | The repeated "accept cookies" pop ups are what make me switch
         | back every time I use FF though. Is there any fix for it?
        
           | brnt wrote:
           | Skip those user hostile sites.
        
             | brink wrote:
             | It's only 95% of the internet.
        
         | dendrite9 wrote:
         | I use incognito for most browsing, every so often I lose my
         | tabs. And it is ok. If I care, and remember the site, I'll open
         | it normally and make a bookmark. If not it isn't the end of the
         | world.
         | 
         | I keep about 20 tabs open in normal browsing for easy
         | reference. Incognito for most browsing. And Firefox Focus for
         | even more ephemeral stuff, copied links I don't want to touch
         | my other browsing, and screenshots. It sounds a little crazy to
         | write it out, but it works for me.
        
         | donio wrote:
         | Firefox on Android has an option to auto-close tabs after a
         | while, I have that set to "close after a day" to keep things
         | tidy.
        
           | lelandfe wrote:
           | For Safari iOS: Settings > Safari > Close Tabs > After One
           | Day/Week/Month
        
       | xanaxagoras wrote:
       | Does "more add-ons" mean it's still a whitelist? I'm trying to
       | find a mobile browser I can use floccus with. So far I've only
       | been able to find Kiwi which is not privacy oriented.
        
       | danielEM wrote:
       | nice, but what I really need now for my mobile with display port
       | is a 1 to 1 desktop Firefox browser
        
       | therealmarv wrote:
       | Containers in Iceraven, somebody got them working? How can I open
       | a new container tab? I cannot figure out on how to use them on
       | this mobile browser. Maybe this extension + a mobile Firefox is
       | not compatible to each other.
        
       | causality0 wrote:
       | If I can have a genuine user agent switcher I'll throw you a damn
       | parade.
        
         | jeroenhd wrote:
         | There are two addons in the fork's whitelist that allow you to
         | change the UA.
        
         | bordercontrol wrote:
         | That's possible. Install Firefox Nightly, create a custom addon
         | collection on the Firefox addon site, add an user agent
         | switcher to the collection, add the collection to Firefox
         | Nightly. You now owe me a parade.
        
       | NikolaeVarius wrote:
       | Why the hell would you use this product. It has caveats a mile
       | long
        
         | jeroenhd wrote:
         | To use a stable version of Firefox with about:config and more
         | than the ten addons that Mozilla have supported in the last two
         | years.
         | 
         | I'm not sure if this is the fork you want, but to get some of
         | the features that Firefox used to have for years you can't use
         | the normal stable build anymore.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | An android browser that supports extensions is hard to find. I
         | assume the ones you can find all have caveats.
        
         | webmobdev wrote:
         | It mentions that it is an alpha version - that's why the long
         | list of caveat. And as Firefox becomes a spyware / adware,
         | forks like these are welcome news.
        
           | kadoban wrote:
           | What leads you to call (or predict?) Firefox spyware/adware?
        
             | webmobdev wrote:
             | Firefox's address bar has ads now -
             | https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22715179/firefox-
             | suggest-...
        
               | morsch wrote:
               | So does the new tab page: https://support.mozilla.org/en-
               | US/kb/sponsor-privacy
               | 
               | And of course they've always sold access to the list of
               | default search engines.
        
               | kadoban wrote:
               | Thanks. As long as they can be turned off easily, I
               | personally don't mind that much, but yeah, hard to argue
               | against your wording given that.
        
       | toastal wrote:
       | Fennec exists and its already on the F-Droid. Goals are different
       | but probably close enough.
       | 
       | The biggest thing I miss is full add-on support. Not having
       | CleanURLs and an AMP redirector suck despite add-ons existing for
       | desktop that don't really need a mobile UI.
        
         | asimops wrote:
         | For half of what CleanURLs does, you can use uBlock Origin. It
         | has a filterlist that removes tracking parameters, etc. It will
         | not however clean links on copy.
        
           | gruez wrote:
           | >It has a filterlist that removes tracking parameters, etc.
           | 
           | Which filter list is this? I didn't realize ublock has link
           | rewriting functionality.
        
             | asimops wrote:
             | It's AdGuard URL Tracking Protection under privacy. This
             | uses https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-
             | issues/issues/1356
        
         | mod50ack wrote:
         | I use Fennec and both those extensions.
         | 
         | https://blog.dbmiller.org/2021-08-19-using-fennec-or-mull-fo...
         | 
         | Fennec is also great because it doesn't include Mozilla's
         | sponsored stuff as well.
        
         | worble wrote:
         | If you're on Fennec you can already use a custom addon
         | collection where you can add anything you want.
        
           | brnt wrote:
           | I use Fennec but have no idea what a 'custom addon
           | collection' is. I'd like to install one particular addon
           | thats currently not available.
        
             | input_sh wrote:
             | The way supported add-ons work right now is that there's a
             | list (AKA a collection) of supported add-ons maintained by
             | Mozilla that you see on a phone by default.
             | 
             | You can create a custom collection on a desktop and then
             | override that Mozilla's collection within mobile Firefox's
             | settings:
             | https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-
             | extensio...
             | 
             | You can install any add-on available on the desktop like
             | that, but your mileage may vary of course.
        
               | dblohm7 wrote:
               | > he way supported add-ons work right now is that there's
               | a list (AKA a collection) of supported add-ons maintained
               | by Mozilla that you see on a phone by default.
               | 
               | They're not maintained by Mozilla, but they're
               | "recommended" and are reviewed more thoroughly.
               | 
               | (I used to work on Firefox for Android)
        
               | blibble wrote:
               | is there a way to do this with the official build of the
               | stable version?
               | 
               | I would assume running nightly is less than ideal for
               | regular browsing
        
               | dblohm7 wrote:
               | Unfortunately custom collections are limited to Nightly.
        
               | brnt wrote:
               | Thanks. I don't wish to use a Firefox account however. It
               | seems a bit arbitrary to not allow direct installs, but
               | allow them through this workaround.
        
               | input_sh wrote:
               | They allow direct installs of add-ons that they _know_
               | were tested properly and work fine on a phone, not those
               | where they can 't guarantee that level of stability
               | (while still giving you that as an option if you feel
               | like experimenting).
               | 
               | I don't see how that's arbitrary, I see it as a well
               | thought out process, even if I wish more add-ons were
               | added to that collection.
        
               | dblohm7 wrote:
               | (Former Firefox for Android engineer here)
               | 
               | I agree that there should be more allowed add-ons.
               | Engineering didn't put in all the effort to implement the
               | add-ons APIs on Mobile only for it to be restricted to
               | such a small set. Unfortunately that's a product
               | decision.
        
           | donio wrote:
           | Yep, I use this to get vimium-FF on Fennec. It's a little
           | fiddly to setup but it's just another item on the long list
           | of tweaks to make Android tolerable.
        
         | ARandomerDude wrote:
         | What are HN's thoughts about the security of F-Droid? I always
         | see neat app ideas like the one in the parent comment, but I've
         | been afraid of what I don't know security wise.
        
           | dvdkon wrote:
           | Everything being built centrally and transparently by an
           | established group puts it leagues ahead of any other app
           | store in my mind. Installing other people's software will
           | always be a potential security problem, but that is
           | unavoidable now.
        
       | zauguin wrote:
       | Do the new configuration options allow accessing the list of
       | trusted CAs? Or if doubting the CA trust decisions from our
       | Mozilla overlords is considered too much blasphemy, can we at
       | least see details of the certificate for the current site?
        
       | asimops wrote:
       | If you are rooted, you can also force your own add-ons into
       | stable firefox like so:                 USER=16201230
       | COLLECTION=What-I-want-on-Fenix       cd
       | /data/data/org.mozilla.mozilla.firefox/files       curl -o
       | mozilla_components_addon_collection_*.json "https://addons.mozill
       | a.org/api/v4/accounts/account/$USER/collections/$COLLECTION/addon
       | s/?page_size=50&sort=-added"       touch -a -m -t 203012300130.00
       | mozilla_components_addon_collection_*.json
       | 
       | edit: remove fennec fdroid because TIL that it already has the
       | same add-on override that the FF nightly has. So there is no need
       | for this hack if you have fennec.
        
         | [deleted]
        
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