[HN Gopher] Astronomers Witness a Dying Star Reach Its Explosive...
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       Astronomers Witness a Dying Star Reach Its Explosive End
        
       Author : worldvoyageur
       Score  : 56 points
       Date   : 2022-01-09 19:44 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (keckobservatory.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (keckobservatory.org)
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | Where are the actual images? The animation
       | https://player.vimeo.com/video/658748207?h=ce918acdf2&title=...
       | is beautiful, but it is not what I came there for.
        
         | hutzlibu wrote:
         | They probably do not look so stunning yet and are more of a
         | scientific value.
        
         | LegitShady wrote:
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220107114736/https://iopscienc...
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         | images available with the actual paper here
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         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220107115445im_/https://cfn-li...
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         | pre explosion images
        
           | awb wrote:
           | Thanks!
           | 
           | To OC: Skimming the paper, I think a lot of the "witnessing"
           | is in the form of numerical data.
        
             | sharkweek wrote:
             | Two of my cousins (twins, as an anecdotal fun fact) are
             | both astronomers. I remember one of them explaining to me
             | how little of their job is actually looking at badass
             | pictures of space objects but instead staring at numbers
             | representing badass happenings in space.
             | 
             | The fun part to me is when they explain what they're seeing
             | in the numbers in layperson's terms. One of them published
             | on evidence of "star theft" when two galaxies pass
             | near/through one another, how the composition of some stars
             | signal they once belonged to a different galaxy than their
             | current home. Fascinating to think about cosmic events as
             | large as two galaxies passing near/through one another.
        
             | goldenkey wrote:
             | Welcome to the Matrix, Neo.
        
       | BluSyn wrote:
       | Website got hugged to death?
       | 
       | Archive link:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220109194733/https://keckobser...
        
       | mungoman2 wrote:
       | If you want to get excited by this kind of thing, I can really
       | recommend Big Bang by Simon Singh. It's a great intro and made me
       | go from "meh" to "wow" about cosmological things.
        
         | booleandilemma wrote:
         | The Code Book by him is also very good. I guarantee it'll have
         | you implementing your own classical ciphers :)
        
       | gammarator wrote:
       | Full paper is here:
       | https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ac3f3a
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       | (AAS journals are now completely open access, so no paywall.)
        
       | xqcgrek2 wrote:
       | Clickbait has infected astronomy it seems
        
       | freeslave wrote:
       | If the star is 120 million light-years away, does that mean this
       | explosion actually happened 120 million years ago?
        
         | pc86 wrote:
         | Yes
        
           | ehsankia wrote:
           | Would the fact that space between here and there is
           | stretching during that time impact that?
        
         | asxd wrote:
         | Always blows my mind that because light travels through space,
         | you can literally see into the past. Imagine, way way down the
         | line, eventually meeting a civilization from a far away planet,
         | and they could potentially show you actual photographs of
         | Pangaea.
        
           | xwdv wrote:
           | More than Pangea... if they mastered the ability to resolve
           | vast distances they could show us the herds of dinosaurs
           | roaming the world, and then their total extinction, a
           | Timelapse of the rise of human civilization, ancient Egypt
           | and the Roman Empire, if only we could truly meet a
           | civilization way down the line, or perhaps they would come to
           | meet us, given their obsession.
        
             | JoeAltmaier wrote:
             | Perhaps if there is a large reflector in space somewhere,
             | that light could be passing back by us today! If we had a
             | large enough collector, we could create an image.
        
           | tegeek wrote:
           | Unfortunately, that is not possible. Earth isn't a star and
           | not big enough to provide this much data even outside of our
           | Solar System, let alone millions of light years away.
        
         | tegeek wrote:
         | From a philosophical point of view, an event happens at the
         | point when observed by an observer. For us, Humans on earth,
         | this supernova happens now and not 120 million years ago.
        
           | LegitShady wrote:
           | I think even philosophy can withstand knowing the speed of
           | light and incorporating it into the framework of 'when things
           | happened' so that it agrees with our understanding of the
           | universe instead of not.
        
       | boulos wrote:
       | It's too bad the rendering didn't include timestamps. For
       | example, is that a year of data in 25s of rendering, or the last
       | few months?
        
         | tablespoon wrote:
         | > It's too bad the rendering didn't include timestamps. For
         | example, is that a year of data in 25s of rendering, or the
         | last few months?
         | 
         | Per the OP:
         | 
         | > However, this novel detection of bright radiation coming from
         | a red supergiant in the final year before exploding suggests
         | that at least some of these stars must undergo significant
         | changes in their internal structure that then results in the
         | tumultuous ejection of gas moments before they collapse.
         | 
         | I think this is probably the period from 5s to 12s in the
         | animation.
        
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