[HN Gopher] Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conque...
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Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world
Author : zwieback
Score : 90 points
Date : 2022-01-12 17:10 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| lbrito wrote:
| Such a waste on a great subject.
|
| There's this huge social and economic change in Brazil over the
| last 10 or so years where dozens of millions of people are
| acceding to the digital world; broadband (usually 4G) access to
| the internet is becoming part of their daily lives. This has huge
| consequences and tons of opportunity. Nubank is a quick example I
| can think of that knew how to take advantage of this movement and
| is now a billion-dollar company expanding through all Latam.
|
| But no, instead they decide to spotlight game streamers.
| vmception wrote:
| but just because you don't respect game streamers doesn't mean
| that it doesn't have huge consequences and opportunities too.
|
| the people doing that have income and access to capital now
| whether a bank showed up or not, which is way better than any
| neobank fintech company can achieve.
|
| in the past, access to capital or electronic payments meant
| "bank the unbanked", now it doesn't mean that so there's no
| reason to cling to that goal.
| lbrito wrote:
| Sorry, but this has nothing to do with whether I respect
| streamers or not.
|
| Streamers produce entertainment. That's fine, I'm all for
| entertainment -- I pay for Netflix, for instance. But it is
| just entertainment. You can't have a strong economy based on
| producing entertainment alone. We need jobs that produce
| real-life value at some point.
|
| In other words, kudos to the dude in the favela making money
| out of streaming, good for him. It's just _not_ something
| that can be scaled and applied to the millions of people
| living in favelas that need a good job (or any job really).
| frozenlettuce wrote:
| as someone who had a previous carreer in journalism (and also
| happen to be a Brazilian as well), the media will always
| portrait the country in a way to make it seem "exotic" in order
| to gain more attention. that's why you will _never_ see news
| articles about boring countryside towns
| paperwasp42 wrote:
| Wow, this is fascinating. Does anyone know of any mentorship
| programs that help youth in under-developed countries who are
| working to get into tech? I would love to participate in that
| kind of program, but the only ones I've seen are company based
| (ie: internal internship programs.)
| nopenopenopeno wrote:
| This article is propaganda ahead of the upcoming election. The
| working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under
| Bolsanaro's neoliberal government and the Worker's Party is
| leading in the polls. After the recent socialist victories in
| Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western
| states will do everything they can to prevent the Worker's
| Party from retaking power in Brazil. Expect more of this as the
| Fall election nears.
| bserge wrote:
| When you're at zero, anything happening is a "boom".
|
| I should know, I'm from a country where IT is "booming"... Most
| of it is tedious boring work that was outsourced by western
| companies because no one there wants to do it, plus it's cheaper
| than even creating some automated processes.
|
| Still, that's a pessimistic way to look at it. It's a good thing,
| and it can grow into something better.
| 627467 wrote:
| Another perspective is that there are people who prefer to do
| those jobs (instead of say, working in Amazon warehouse) but
| can't because it's cheaper (and logistically possible) to
| outsource to another country.
| space_fountain wrote:
| But also on some level why in the world are they more
| deserving of the job then the potentially better qualified
| foreigner just because where they happened to be born.
| ipaddr wrote:
| The question is why is it better for the country not who is
| more deserving. This is an export of US dollars. Is it
| better to keep the position local so member of society can
| be taxed/buy from other local businesses or export so
| foreign worker can buy tools from US firms or US business
| can get job done for cheaper.
| pm90 wrote:
| They are not. At some level, we accept that there are a lot
| of inequities in our current sociopolitical systems.
|
| What China (and the Asian Tigers) have shown us is that it
| _is_ a feasible path to industrialize though. But its
| possible there are better ways to get to higher standards
| of living, we just haven 't tried them yet.
| bserge wrote:
| If these people don't apply for these jobs, they might as
| well not exist.
|
| Amazon warehouses are staffed with immigrants in Europe. And
| they would simply not be able to do anything IT related.
|
| It might seem easy for us, but it's not. We're talking about
| people who can't reinstall Windows. They won't be doing
| manual unit testing anytime soon, or ever, nevermind anything
| more complicated.
|
| German companies love keeping it local. Things like manual
| app testing are advertised as Minijobs, but very few are
| applying. And of course, they complain about a lack of
| workers. So outsourcing can make sense beyond saving every
| penny.
| Toine wrote:
| I cannot take someone who calls himself a "crypto artist"
| seriously.
| chucksmash wrote:
| Commenting on crypto in bio is 2022 HN's version of 2014 HN's
| commenting on site's CSS: "Good article, but black font on
| white bg makes this literally unreadable for me."
| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.is/Omfjf
| TameAntelope wrote:
| How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of
| gear safely in a favela?
|
| When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were
| adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately
| be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those
| areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT
| infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be
| confiscated by the cartels operating there.
|
| I'm glad that's not the case, but I wish the article had more
| information about how these people were able to operate safely.
| iqanq wrote:
| gdcbe wrote:
| I lived at the edge of 2 favellas for a couple of months as
| part of my short life in Brazil. I can tell you, while their
| houses are small and simple made they often have high tech in
| their houses. Partly due to the fact that their government had
| programs allowing them to buy it cheaply.
|
| From my limited experience the problem wasn't so much that tech
| wasn't or couldn't be available but that a lot of them couldn't
| even read.
|
| They provide electricity tapped from the net and everything.
|
| Also remember that for these gangs peace is more interesting
| and profitable than a lot of crime and chaos. Especially over
| the long run.
| thescriptkiddie wrote:
| > these gangs peace is more interesting and profitable than a
| lot of crime and chaos
|
| I think it is enlightening to look at these sort of
| situations through the lens of feudalism. Criminal gangs are
| not sociopathic comic book villains interested in violence
| for the fun of it, they are more like landlords, and are in
| it for money, security, and a sense of community. Medieval
| kings, the Italian/American/Japanese mafias, South/Central
| American drug cartels, and Middle Eastern/African "warlords"
| are all cut from the same cloth.
| arcticfox wrote:
| > Also remember that for these gangs peace is more
| interesting and profitable than a lot of crime and chaos.
| Especially over the long run.
|
| Right - a lot of these places are essentially very poor
| neighborhoods under separate governance. For better
| (sometimes) or (often) for worse.
| pelasaco wrote:
| What would be impossible for most of us, but some born and
| raised there, have no problem to spend their live living
| there, in their community. Another reason: The rent is cheap,
| energy and internet is "for free".
| vm wrote:
| 12M+ people live in favelas. Many parts are safe.
| pelasaco wrote:
| if you live there and you earn your respect from the community,
| you are safe. In most favelas, criminals are not allowed to
| steal from other residents. They have their own rules. The real
| metaverse.
| goldenchrome wrote:
| The real metaverse? You mean... a community?
| pelasaco wrote:
| no, more like a meta universe. Running inside Brazil, but
| with their own set of rules and tradition. For some it is a
| Dystopian reality. For others, just another day in the
| office.
| goldenchrome wrote:
| You've got to be joking. Now you're describing a country.
| dudus wrote:
| The drug dealers for all the bad they do they also support
| and help the community a lot. This is part of their strategy,
| the community in turn protect them, hide them. In many
| favelas the drug lord is the law, and the law is don't poop
| where you eat. You may be able to steal from people outside
| the favela but not inside the favela, if you do the
| punishment can be medieval, like cut hands or even death.
| It's not only for residents though. Even as a tourist you are
| probably safe in a favela, it's their interest you feel safe
| so you don't feel intimidated to go buy drugs. But again
| after living in Rio and Sao Paulo for many years I wouldn't
| recommend anyone to do that.
| pelasaco wrote:
| I spent some years in Sao Paulo and in Rio too. I had many
| friends and visited almost daily the Morro do Cantagalo, a
| huge favela there. You can live pretty well there, but they
| make sure that you know who is the boss there.
| xwdv wrote:
| Killing is legal in the favelas?
| SwiftyBug wrote:
| Nope.
| xwdv wrote:
| Might not be legal but also not enforced.
| pelasaco wrote:
| What means legal? It is part of Brazil, and therefore the
| same rules applies there, so its not legal. If there is
| murder in Favela that the Police cannot investigate and
| punish the responsible for that? For sure. Specially if
| who died was criminal.
| cassianoleal wrote:
| > When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides
| were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd
| immediately be robbed or worse.
|
| Tourists stand out like a sore thumb as a target. Your guide
| was probably right.
| cpach wrote:
| I don't have first-hand knowledge of this but according to what
| I have read about the favelas it's like a shadow society
| basically. I.e. they have their own rules, companies,
| infrastructure. IIRC the book I read it in was probably Stewart
| Brand's "Whole Earth Discipline".
| Carioca wrote:
| Crime syndicates keep the peace in these communities, and they
| can be negotiated with.
| speeder wrote:
| I am from Brazil and to be honest the government push for this
| is kinda silly. There are other problems to solve first.
|
| There was an event I participated about this, I was teaching
| about gamedev using opensource tools, a lot of people paid to
| go, the government then brought in a ton of people from the
| favelas as part of their "digital inclusion" program, although
| I was happy to teach them, later I heard many of them just
| stole people's computers, mouses, keyboards, etc... and bolted,
| a good chunk of the "digital inclusion" people that went for
| free, didn't sit in a single workshop, instead they just
| disappeared, and a ton of equipment with them.
|
| Even outside favelas, our infrastructure is just shit too, I
| work from home and losing power and internet is a constant
| threat, sometimes water goes out too.
|
| And corruption in general just runs deep, I know a TV producer
| that was hired to make an Ad for the government, he had to
| record a government building inside a favela, to make the ad
| for the government, yet the local government guy wouldn't let
| him inside to make the recording the government was demanding,
| he had to approach a congressman about it, and the guy just
| flat demanded 10k to "do his thing" and make it work.
|
| He did paid the guy, then after that the drug lord demanded
| another 10k to allow the TV crew inside the favela without
| being shot.
|
| After he recorded it, the congressman was seen with a new
| car... meanwhile the drug lord seemly dunked the entire 10k
| into meat, charcoal and booze and threw a huge barbecue party
| to the locals.
| csdvrx wrote:
| > After he recorded it, the congressman was seen with a new
| car... meanwhile the drug lord seemly dunked the entire 10k
| into meat, charcoal and booze and threw a huge barbecue party
| to the locals.
|
| It seems to me that one care more about his constituents that
| the other!
| whatshisface wrote:
| Something interesting in American history circa a century
| ago was the party machine, which combined both roles into
| one. The fact that it's not around today could be a sign of
| either a decline in corruption, or a decline in the
| importance of getting voters to be really strongly on your
| side (as opposed to being 1% less bad than the other
| candidate).
| pc86 wrote:
| This might sound out of left field but (hear me out) I
| think the decline is due in large part to gerrymandering.
| 100 years ago you had a lot of pretty competitive races
| where party control might switch often. It was incumbent
| on the party machine you mention to make sure all its
| supporters got out. You'd _usually_ see the party rally
| around whoever won the primary, because there was still
| another election to win.
|
| Fast forward through some pretty aggressive and
| technologically advanced gerrymandering, and something
| like 90% of congressional seats are pretty well insulated
| from drastic party changes election over election. The
| primary becomes the only election that matters for most
| districts, which pushes both parties to the extremes.
| Because the primary is the only one that matters, there
| is little to no incentive to rally around your chosen
| candidate - you just fight that much harder for your
| favorite one next time.
|
| Solidifying party control in most districts has somewhat
| paradoxically weakened party control over the process
| while simultaneously pushing elected candidates to the
| extremes.
| rbanffy wrote:
| You make a very good point about the nascent extremism -
| as primaries become the only elections that matter, and
| because you need extreme candidates to flip those locked
| districts, there is little reward in moderation. I find
| it funny how Republicans embraced extremism while
| Democrats seem to be more averse to it, even though
| they'd have much to gain in this scenario.
|
| This is what I really like about Ireland's elections -
| they are so effective in weeding out extremists that the
| two dominant political forces are almost
| indistinguishable. It's, perhaps, too efficient in that,
| but it also seems to be extremely safe and long-term
| stable.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| You are saying this as SF is in pole position to form a
| government (not calling them extremists but comparing
| them to the main two)
| rackjack wrote:
| I think it's both, due to secret ballots and first past
| the post voting, for example.
| rightbyte wrote:
| How could the congressman influence the recording permit
| process? What new car goes for 10k?
|
| I believe you it is bad but that sounds like your friend is
| spreading a tall tale.
| nopenopenopeno wrote:
| It sounds like Lula is leading in the polls, and it sounds
| like the best thing for the working people of Brazil is to
| elect him.
| vmception wrote:
| Its exaggerated, there would probably be no remedy for you if
| it occurred but that doesn't mean people don't have other shit
| going on.
|
| Most "dangerous ghettos" are the same way. If people dont have
| beef with you they arent just looking to take advantage. A
| sociopathic person with a badge is much more dangerous because
| they dont have to collaborate at all, unlike civilians.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| Any time you hear those extremes about any place - e.g., lots
| of people say it about parts of American cities - it's
| nonsense. People live there; they are biologically the same as
| you; they live, breathe and think, they not complete idiots.
| They aren't organizing, tolerating or sticking around a
| situation like that.
|
| (That said, I know nothing about favelas or what is wise or
| unwise to do in them.)
| ghaff wrote:
| >lots of people say it about parts of American cities - it's
| nonsense
|
| In general (although it used to be truer).
|
| That said, there are many places in US cities where I'd
| pretty strongly recommend against looking out of place,
| wandering around like a clueless tourist, late at night.
|
| No, you probably won't be shot. But being robbed isn't out of
| the question.
|
| What is almost certainly true is you're pretty safe most
| places if you blend in reasonably, keep valuables hidden, and
| look like you know what you're doing.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| > there are many places in US cities where I'd pretty
| strongly recommend against looking out of place, wandering
| around like a clueless tourist, late at night.
|
| We can always construct hypothetical situations that meet
| some criteria. I wouldn't recommend that in any part of any
| city.
| marcan_42 wrote:
| > I wouldn't recommend that in any part of any city.
|
| It's pretty safe in Tokyo. Not every city requires you to
| be on the constant lookout for your own safety.
|
| Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates,
| and are projecting that onto every city.
| simplestats wrote:
| Where I live now, you can wander around at night no
| problem. A cop might get suspicious and hassle you is
| about the worst.
|
| I have also lived in places where not only would I advise
| more-vulnerable people against going out at night, I
| wouldn't go wander around myself either.
|
| But yes the odds of being a victim aren't leaping from
| zero to 100 percent between these nighborhoods. More like
| aceptably low to unacceptably high.
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| A friend of mine's company does the favela tour with
| cooperation from the community and has been doing it safely for
| almost twenty years now:
|
| https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g303506-d24775...
|
| https://www.instagram.com/bealocaltours/
| smoe wrote:
| Don't know much about Rio, but what I have seen and heard
| elsewhere in Latin America over the years.
|
| Often times organized crimes substitutes an absent government
| and enforce their own set of law and order in the community.
| They can't afford to just rob the people blind as sometimes
| portrayed in media. They rely on a somewhat sybmiotic
| relationship with the "citizens" to act as messengers, human
| surveillance cameras, warning them from unknown people
| entering, making false statements to the police etc. The gangs
| are often much more effective at crime prevention than the
| government, they often invest more locally than the government.
|
| A big chunk of the violet crimes comes from conflicts between
| gangs. If you are part of the community and stay in line you
| can actually be pretty safe. As a tourist on the other hand,
| you are fair game.
|
| Obviously, it is not everything is rosy and nice, but in my
| opinion one of the big challenges in facing organized crime, is
| that the governments don't actually have a believable
| improvement to offer to the people, so the locals will often
| defend the current situation.
| cpach wrote:
| I guess that's how it has also been in parts of Italy (and
| maybe still is, to some extent...?)
| anonporridge wrote:
| The interesting thing is that this is literally how all
| governments originally emerged.
|
| The strongest local gang establishes a monopoly on violence
| in their territory. They then extract tribute (taxes) from
| the local population in various ways. If they get too greedy
| and extract too much, then eventually the plebs have little
| enough to lose to break their established order and fight the
| establishment gang. The most competent gangs find the
| equilibrium of taxation that is the maximum they can extract
| without suffocating production and innovation or creating an
| opposing revolution.
|
| So, in locations where this has happened in modern states, it
| simply demonstrates that the "official" police and state have
| failed to manage their monopoly on violence properly, and are
| being actively out competed by a more effective organization
| that, if it continues to sustainably control its territory,
| will eventually become recognized as the new legitimate
| state.
| vanusa wrote:
| _The interesting thing is that this is literally how all
| governments originally emerged._
|
| No - there are also revolutions and secessionist movements.
| Which already in their formation can be better thought of
| as mini-governments than "gangs" per se.
|
| The basic problem with the idea of saying "it all started
| from gang rule" is that it brings to mind an image of
| criminal networks that just happened to fall into
| government-like activities (e.g. muscling out other gangs,
| running basic services) as a way of staying in business.
| Certainly true in some cases, but in most cases ... not a
| particularly meaningful description.
| xchaotic wrote:
| This is very true and it paints a dim view on the XXI
| century- we are going to be ruled by thugs and gangsters
| because we "vote" them in, until it's too late.
| anonporridge wrote:
| Democracy only works well if serving the people and
| giving them a strong voice and control accrues more power
| to the state than alternative forms of governance.
|
| If the people, or more specifically the democratic
| majority, end up becoming more extractive than they are
| productive towards enhancing their state's power, then
| eventually some alternative organizing governance
| structure will emerge that accumulates power more
| effectively.
|
| This isn't making an ethical judgement about one system
| or another, just an observation on what appears to be
| base level reality.
| dasil003 wrote:
| Because they live there and have relationships, it's very
| different from a tourist who just looks like a cash machine.
| aylmao wrote:
| Depends on the city/country, but there's also an argument
| affecting tourists is just not worth it.
|
| Money isn't the goal, money + little trouble is the goal. If
| a city is a big tourist destination, the bad press, the
| potential involvement of foreign nations, the outcry from the
| tourism industry, etc are all good reasons for local law
| enforcement to strike back hard.
|
| Especially if overwhelmed, it's very possible local law
| enforcement wont give the same weight to an investigation
| involving only locals and one involving a foreigner,
| especially if the eyes of, say, Germany are staring at you.
| lostlogin wrote:
| They may be a degree of liability involved too -
| take/encourage/let tourists go there and it could have
| consequences for the tour operator?
|
| I am very much not a lawyer.
| kilroy123 wrote:
| My ex girlfriend lived in Brazil for ~10 years and her job was
| running tours to the favelas. She told me there were fairly
| strict rules about this sort of thing.
|
| The gangs there cared about drugs and making money. As long as
| you weren't there interfering with them making money, they
| didn't really care about you as a tourist. They might get a
| phone or pocket change from you but why waste time and money on
| just that? Bigger fish to fry.
|
| In all the years my ex hungout and worked in the favela, not
| one bad thing happened to her. Which surprised the hell out of
| me. (She was a foreigner but spoke the language)
| aylmao wrote:
| I'm from Mexico-- there's plenty of "bad places" there too.
|
| You really don't want something bad to happen to a tourist,
| so you focus on the worst-case scenario. It akin to a
| children and streets; it's easier to tell children to avoid
| crossing a street and not have to worry, even if
| statistically it's pretty unlikely an accident would happen.
|
| Moreover, since the news largely focuses on the tragedies,
| it's easy to get an inflated sense of danger. I know people
| who live in Culiacan, right in the center of the Sinaloa
| Cartel. They'll tell me every day in the news someone is
| dead.
|
| Nonetheless, they live worry-free, peaceful lives. In a city
| of 1 million, and especially if you're not involved with
| cartels, even considering the homicide rates are much higher
| than they should, it's very unlikely something bad will
| happen to you.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| Is Mazatlan considered a "bad" place?
| newaccount2021 wrote:
| people from around the world hungry to pull themselves up from
| the bottom...
|
| meanwhile in NYC and Oakland, high school students are on
| "strike" and walking out of class over bogus covid hysteria (aka
| a legit excuse to combine virtue signalling and goofing
| off)...apparently we must grovel to their demands as the world
| owes so much to, and depends so much on, the American teen
|
| fast forward twenty years, who will have risen, who will have
| fallen
| csdvrx wrote:
| I vouched for your comment, since it talks about a very
| possible risk: replacement at the low end (and little by little
| towards the upper end) of WFH techies by other WFH techies from
| lower cost countries that won't ever think about this union
| stuff.
|
| China has proved outsourcing is a valid path for growth as
| people learn the technology little-by-little to do what they
| need: these game streamers derided by other HN comments will
| certainly learn how to reinstall Windows and drivers, then how
| to deal with their fans, then how to make their website (if
| only to reduce costs/keep more profits) etc
|
| And even if they only learn one of these (say, dealing with
| fans), personally I'd be happy more than happy to hire them as
| a community manager if the price is fair.
| steve76 wrote:
| > people from around the world hungry to pull themselves up
| from the bottom...
|
| Foreign countries are poor like the Rolling Stones or Motley
| Crew are poor. They are actually very wealthy. They see nice
| peaceful lives as something for fools and cowards.
|
| > meanwhile in NYC and Oakland, high school students are on
| "strike" and walking out of class over bogus covid hysteria
| (aka a legit excuse to combine virtue signalling and goofing
| off)...apparently we must grovel to their demands as the world
| owes so much to, and depends so much on, the American teen
|
| Awful to see people turn their backs on their own. Big tech
| would be gone without bailouts and cheap consumer credit to buy
| their junk. Despite all their prestige, they don't do anything.
| People still die horribly. Their charity is not enough. The
| problems, such as neurological disease, are much more difficult
| than they thought. "Disruption" or "don't be evil" didn't work.
|
| We gave them the luxury of a lot of resources while we fought
| some very bad people and took care of the sick. First chance
| they get they leave for Cypress and Brazil for people who
| really do hate them.
|
| >fast forward twenty years, who will have risen, who will have
| fallen
|
| I work from home and am only in tech because of family care-
| taking. Twenty years will be a sad time for me. Everyone will
| be gone. I'll be all alone.
|
| Despite that, I kept up on my skills. I managed to have at
| least some real workplace experience. I have nothing but free
| time, and I am going to be incredibly angry at and have very
| little remorse towards the people we trusted with all our
| wealth and who chose marxists and drug gangs and terrorists
| over their own and burnt and looted my home.
| tdrgabi wrote:
| I have mixed feelings about the article. I was curious to read
| about a tech boom.
|
| They described a twitch player which earns enough to be afloat. A
| gaming pro team and an artist selling nft's.
|
| Is it just an add for nft's or a submarine piece for afro games.
| dang wrote:
| OK, we've taken 'tech boom' out of the title since that seems
| to be distracting from what the article is actually about.
| [deleted]
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| The image of someone sitting in a shack with VR gear on was
| thought provoking.
|
| Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of life
| improvements, or will it be an opiate of the masses who would
| rather exist virtually than in the real world?
|
| Could this remove political desire for rapid change?
| pm90 wrote:
| > Could this remove political desire for rapid change?
|
| No, since in the end you do have to return to the "real" world.
| Unless we can upload ourselves to the metaverse, a majority of
| humans will continue to want change in meatspace.
| aylmao wrote:
| There is the argument though that you could "entertain"
| people away supporting a fair cause.
|
| This both by means of propaganda through the content they
| consume, and by simply giving people something they can
| consider "good enough". Would people in micro-apartments be
| happy living in 32m^2 if they didn't have computers / TVs?
| apsurd wrote:
| sorry, i can't help but read this as rather tone deaf. People
| are very complex.
| lbrito wrote:
| >Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of
| life improvements?
|
| No.
|
| Things favelas need, in order of importance:
|
| 1. Jobs
|
| 2. Jobs
|
| 3. Jobs
|
| 4. Decent waste disposal
|
| 5. Decent public infrastructure - mass transit, daycare, health
| clinics, schools, etc.
|
| 6. Decent public services - police, postal office, social
| service workers, etc.
|
| 7. Etc
|
| 8. ...
|
| ...
|
| Infinite - VR gear with SV technobabble, MMORPG, play-to-earn
| BS.
|
| Source: I am Brazilian.
| f00zz wrote:
| This country should have never normalized favelas. Just 50
| years ago, places like Singapore and Seoul used to have slums
| that looked a lot like Brazilian favelas. But they invested
| in public housing and now look like sci-fi cities from the
| 25th century, while we were singing "quem mora no morro vive
| pertinho do ceu".
| lbrito wrote:
| I understand your point and I see comparisons with South
| Korea a lot. Sibling commenter makes a good remark about
| education.
|
| Another huge difference which can't be underestimated is
| the geopolitical importance of South Korea and the ensuing
| economic aid from the US.
|
| Singapore also has uniquenesses (its location) that
| wouldn't translate well into other countries.
|
| In no way does this diminish the merits of both those
| countries -- its great that they managed to develop so
| well, and they deserve applause for doing so. But I don't
| think we can easily compare either to Brazil.
| bloodyplonker22 wrote:
| It's not as simple as the government fixing the problem by
| simply "investing in public housing". If it were that easy,
| Brazil would have already done it. Singapore and Seoul
| created educated populations and skilled jobs that were
| able to fit into growing industries like tech. The
| government can almost never just fix a problem by pouring
| money into it.
| [deleted]
| ugh123 wrote:
| If you haven't already, check out Ready Player One. The book,
| not the movie.
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