[HN Gopher] The Facebook Text Prompt Zombie Land
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       The Facebook Text Prompt Zombie Land
        
       Author : skilled
       Score  : 78 points
       Date   : 2022-01-14 17:56 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.garbageday.email)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.garbageday.email)
        
       | azinman2 wrote:
       | Wonder if there's any value in a 3rd party curation of Facebook
       | to just give me meaningful updates from friends... aka the
       | original usage. No links, no politics, just family pics,
       | announcements, etc. I'd love to get a weekly digest to my email!
        
         | gfody wrote:
         | I'd be interested in that, ideally not a third party but a
         | custom client that filters everything not from friends and
         | sticks to chronological order.
        
           | Tenoke wrote:
           | Have you tried the popular extensions like FB Purity[0]? As
           | far as I know there's plenty of options that do what you want
           | unless they've been broken by Facebook recently?
           | 
           | I haven't tried them in a long time since I do want to see
           | posts by pages and groups I'm in (why else would I follow
           | them), and don't see any of the stuff people typically
           | complain about anyway.
           | 
           | 0. https://www.fbpurity.com/
        
             | gfody wrote:
             | I really only use the native ios app and figured anything
             | that did what I want would be taken down for violating some
             | tos
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | fraidyc.at
         | 
         | http://fraidyc.at
        
         | throwawayboise wrote:
         | > just family pics, announcements, etc
         | 
         | Easy to do with email. Why do you need Facebook at all if those
         | are your objectives?
        
           | nradov wrote:
           | It's hardly easy with email. Keeping an up to date list of
           | working addresses becomes a huge hassle once you get beyond a
           | few people. I remember trying that in the days before
           | Facebook and every time I sent a message it would bounce for
           | some recipients.
        
           | hoten wrote:
           | You won't get everyone in your family to move from social
           | media to a family mailing list.
           | 
           | But a third party app that forwarded fb updates to a mailing
           | list ... That's something I'd pay for.
        
           | superfrank wrote:
           | Push vs pull or passive vs active.
           | 
           | If I post a picture of my dog on Facebook and my child's
           | teacher sees, that feels normal since they just kind of
           | happen upon it. If I send them an email with a picture of my
           | dog, that feels like I'm over stepping a bit.
        
         | fullshark wrote:
         | It won't be friends, just 5-10 people you connected with 10
         | years ago who still use the platform religiously producing the
         | content.
        
       | narrator wrote:
       | The ads for games in my feeds are like this guy's viral text.
       | They show someone failing at a very simple puzzle game and say,
       | "millions have tried, few have succeeded!" this is just bait for
       | boomers to play the very easy game and prove to themselves that
       | their brains aren't slowly rotting away.
        
       | mrguyorama wrote:
       | Calling what Rick Lax does "magic" is pretty damn generous. He
       | makes fake videos that are hyper produced. Think 5-minute crafts
       | and friends.
       | 
       | Also pretty fitting to have this article sponsored by an NFT
       | "product" that claims to be a "troll on the perfume industry".
       | What even?
        
       | bredren wrote:
       | > There should be no illusions anymore about what Facebook is, as
       | a platform. It's just random bits of sensory information meant to
       | make old people fight with each other
       | 
       | Oof. Engagement around conflict works at all age ranges though.
       | Controversial statements by eSports casters drives posts on
       | Reddit, NIMBY comments on NextDoor, etc.
       | 
       | I suspect the tone of this comment is to suggest the platform's
       | algorithms did a better job mixing in rich content and focusing
       | attention on more interesting, less conflict-laden viral media?
        
         | verall wrote:
         | > Engagement around conflict works at all age ranges though.
         | 
         | It certainly does, but content like that is described in the
         | article, is clearly aimed a less internet-savvy crowd. Maybe
         | the same crowd that didn't grow up with internet trolls and
         | have copious free time and are at the highest risk for
         | contracting plague, so they are especially juicy targets for
         | online engagement vampires.
        
         | allenu wrote:
         | > Engagement around conflict works at all age ranges though.
         | 
         | I've noticed that the best way to get people to engage in a
         | problem is to state an opinion that is so obviously wrong.
         | People go out of their way to tell you that it's wrong and what
         | their opinion is. If you post something that's sort of wrong,
         | partially right, or probably right, people won't lift a finger.
         | 
         | Try this with your next code review! :D Do something the wrong
         | way and everyone wants to correct you. I've noticed after I've
         | corrected such a problem, people are silent about the rest of
         | the code review, or get lazy about finishing it.
        
       | nomorecommas wrote:
       | Until proven otherwise, assume every socmed account is a bot.
        
         | ChrisClark wrote:
         | You're a bot, I'm a bot, we're all bots. Are any humans left
         | alive on Earth, or are they all still stuck in the 2020s
         | simulation?
        
           | danlugo92 wrote:
           | beep bop beep bop
        
           | kevinventullo wrote:
           | Reminds me of "There Will Come Soft Rains"
        
       | brink wrote:
       | I don't think it's fair calling it "boomer bait". I see people
       | from every generation commenting on them.
        
       | chizhik-pyzhik wrote:
       | Reminds me of the article about "internet chum" on The Awl:
       | https://www.theawl.com/2015/06/a-complete-taxonomy-of-intern...
        
       | cblconfederate wrote:
       | It's hilarious to me that the author pretends we should have
       | higher standards of facebook. Hey do you know how much facebook
       | paid for the content they publish? You know what you get for $0 ?
       | Nothing or less than nothing. And it s not just facebook, all of
       | them are selling attention, not content. As long as users are not
       | compensated for their content, the audience will be fed with
       | trash
        
         | rightbyte wrote:
         | > As long as users are not compensated for their content, the
         | audience will be fed with trash
         | 
         | Not really. On the opposite. If there is no money to be made
         | there is no ad harvesting bullshit to be made.
        
         | vanilla_nut wrote:
         | I mean, plenty of people write blogs for no compensation
         | whatsoever (usually paying some token fees for hosting and
         | domains, making it a net _expense_ ). Just because content is
         | free doesn't mean it has to be bad.
        
           | cblconfederate wrote:
           | It's their blogs, they don't do unpaid work for facebook
        
           | xmprt wrote:
           | Exactly. I've seen plenty of YouTube videos that are
           | excellent despite being made by tiny channels of just a few
           | 100 or 1000 subscribers. Same goes for a lot of the posts on
           | Hackernews. And TikTok has a massive userbase that's still
           | growing because even if it's not healthy for you, at least
           | the content on the platform is good. Facebook is both
           | unhealthy and bad content. Every time I scroll through, it
           | feels like I'm torturing myself a little.
        
       | brendoelfrendo wrote:
       | They mention investigating another viral post farm back in
       | November, which was discussed on HN here:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29309201
       | 
       | Link to the November post: https://www.garbageday.email/p/when-
       | the-traffic-firehose-is-...
       | 
       | All roads to monetization require engagement, so you just end up
       | with groups that churn out "bait" like this.
        
       | barbazoo wrote:
       | Excuse my ignorance but how do they make money with this? Ads
       | associated with their posts?
        
         | brendoelfrendo wrote:
         | Video ads is one, branded sponsorships is another (not sure if
         | this page engages in that). Looks like Facebook also offers
         | subscriptions and a "tip jar"-type feature:
         | https://www.facebook.com/business/learn/lessons/how-make-mon...
        
         | mysterydip wrote:
         | That's what I've been trying to figure out. So you have a
         | million comments and a hundred thousand shares, is that just
         | internet points? There has to be some financial compensation
         | I'm not seeing.
        
         | Ozzie_osman wrote:
         | Once you build enough reach, you can sell branded posts, drive
         | traffic to websites monetized by ads, or upload videos that can
         | be monetized.
        
         | kevincox wrote:
         | Yes. Once you have an audience just start selling sponsored
         | posts.
        
       | rossdavidh wrote:
       | Somewhat related to the "dead internet theory", but in this case
       | one side of the relationship is just not quite dead yet.
        
       | pimlottc wrote:
       | I love that the author complains about another popular Facebook
       | page that's using engagement bait to push a dropshopping
       | affiliate program, while their own blog post has a sponsored ad
       | for NFT perfume.
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | The ad and the liked opensea blurb openly call itself a
         | troll... it's not trying to pretend to be anything serious.
        
         | jonathankoren wrote:
         | Isn't that NFT perfume sarcasm?
        
         | brendoelfrendo wrote:
         | Yeah, what's even the point of the NFT at that point? It's like
         | saying "if you buy a Cracker Jack card, we'll give you a box of
         | Cracker Jacks!"
         | 
         | Who's going to buy an NFT that gives comes with a physical
         | product on the secondary market? Unless that business will only
         | sell to NFT holders in perpetuity, which sounds like a poor way
         | to grow a business but hey, lots of things are successful by
         | being exclusive.
        
           | lupire wrote:
           | It's just bonus incentive for the first owner. It's clearly
           | not _worse_ than the NFT without the add-on.
           | 
           | > Unless that business will only sell to NFT holders in
           | perpetuity
           | 
           | That's what BAYC does. Then you open a next tier NFT line to
           | expand down-market.
        
           | xmprt wrote:
           | At this point, the only reason I can think of is VC funding.
           | But I also don't know why VCs don't see through this
           | bullshit... They're supposed to be smart right? Even if
           | they're shotgun investing and hoping that one company goes
           | 100x, I can say with absolute certainty that this company is
           | either going to fold or get rid of the NFT aspect of the
           | business in the next 5 years. What's the point of investing
           | in a company like that?
        
             | lupire wrote:
             | You don't need VC to sell a NFT digital picture. There is
             | no cost.
        
             | VHRanger wrote:
             | VCs dont care that a product is bullshit as long as they
             | can sell it for more to someone else
        
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