[HN Gopher] Open Infrastructure Map
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       Open Infrastructure Map
        
       Author : bearbin
       Score  : 129 points
       Date   : 2022-01-15 17:47 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (openinframap.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (openinframap.org)
        
       | AceJohnny2 wrote:
       | Nice! I can finally locate LA's Scattergood-Olympic underground
       | transmission line that was repaired in 1989 to much engineering
       | prowess [1].
       | 
       | https://openinframap.org/#10.58/33.9452/-118.3529
       | 
       | I love infrastructure engineering. There's so much going on that
       | allows us to take things for granted. Even the 2021 Texas power
       | grid failure fared relatively well for how close it skirted
       | absolute disaster.
       | 
       | [1] https://practical.engineering/blog/2021/9/16/repairing-
       | under... (I should give Grady more money) People here may
       | remember jwz's post on the topic in 2002, copying the emails from
       | 1989 (note the following link may display something unsavory with
       | the HN referrer, in which case copy-and-paste it):
       | https://www.jwz.org/blog/2002/11/engineering-pornography/
        
       | szundi wrote:
       | Aren't these national security secrets?
        
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         | caseysoftware wrote:
         | I used to work in those circles ~15 years ago and the short
         | answer was: Yes.
         | 
         | It turns out that an absurd amount of sensitive/national
         | security information is actually public _but_ it becomes
         | sensitive once it 's organized in a way that it becomes
         | "actionable" for attack, compromise, etc. In my particular
         | situation, an acquaintance studying operations+logistics had
         | overlaid communications trunks with transportation hubs and
         | realized many of them were one in the same.
         | 
         | Now that more of this information is available easily and in
         | readily combinable forms should make us re-evaluate all of it
         | and how much gets shared, with who, when, and to what detail.
         | 
         |  _Btw, this is also a reason you should be skeptical whenever
         | there 's a leak and someone claims "none of this data is
         | classified!" While technically true, a piece of non-classified
         | but relatively unknown information might be the missing piece
         | that makes something actionable._
        
         | justsomehnguy wrote:
         | It is pointless to 'hide' the things which are accessible to
         | anyone, including people who isn't even there physically, eg
         | can look through Google Earth or just browse photos with geo-
         | tags.
         | 
         | Back in the day it could be (and sometimes was) a secret or
         | protected information.
        
         | r0gue808 wrote:
         | Not necessarily, there's a huge drive at the moment (in the UK
         | at least) encouraging utility companies to make their asset
         | related data open and publicly available. Look up the Energy
         | Networks Association's Open Networks initiative, quite
         | interesting. The same approach is being taken by other European
         | countries.
        
         | tomrod wrote:
         | It was a major blocker when I was writing my dissertation. It
         | would have been WONDERFUL to have this.
        
       | bertil wrote:
       | I noticed that the nearest power plant nearby isn't here. It's
       | really small, so I'm not surprised but I'm not sure how to flag
       | the discrepancy and share details about the station.
        
         | etcet wrote:
         | Check out the about page: https://openinframap.org/about
         | 
         | You probably just need to tag the building "power: plant" on
         | https://www.openstreetmap.org/.
        
       | pleb_nz wrote:
       | Like the growth of bacteria on a petri dish
        
       | hamolton wrote:
       | Looks like OSM doesn't have a ton of data on US pipelines or
       | water lines. It's understandable. I do wonder if tools like this
       | would encourage more mapping of these.
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | certainly US legal questions apply, but what about other
         | criteria? avoiding simplistic responses.. nations have
         | responded differently to mapping and open maps. A recent UNGGIM
         | report showed that close to fifteen ( _edit not thirty_ )
         | percent of nations politically recognized worldwide, do not
         | publish national maps themselves in any meaningful way. Next
         | consider the case of the UK Commonwealth Nations, who generally
         | considered maps and mapping to be Crown authorized only, until
         | a certain date not long ago. Opposite to that is the nation of
         | China, which I think forbids all mapping of anything at all, to
         | be done or publicly published, without a license from the
         | single political party government. Other interesting cases
         | abound, in fact, most nations have unique stories and
         | solutions.
         | 
         | I suggest we avoid simplistic responses or carefully worded
         | trap questions from a Defense point of view only, and really
         | engage in a civil manner, about a topic that does have Defense
         | elements, but also real civilian elements, too.
        
         | yummypaint wrote:
         | Alot of that info is probably already publicly available as GIS
         | datasets. Many counties and cities have surprisingly good web
         | interfaces to such information or at least will let you
         | download it. Most people probably use it to look up land parcel
         | information, but they usually include many more layers such
         | hydrants, water and sewer, sometimes detailed local electrical
         | grid info depending how local utilities operate.
         | 
         | Someone should make a crawler that specifically looks for GIS
         | data on government pages and auto-adds it if passes sanity
         | checks and is up-to-date.
        
       | cozzyd wrote:
       | Definitely see some transmission lines missing (e.g. the line
       | going through the Fish Lake Valley in Nevada), but I guess it's a
       | WIP. I'll probably figure out how to contribute...
        
         | zaik wrote:
         | It's built on OpenStreetMap data, so you can start contributing
         | by clicking the 'Edit' button on openstreetmap.org
         | 
         | Here's the OSM wiki entry on how to map power lines:
         | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Power_lines
        
       | jcims wrote:
       | Would be difficult but interesting if they included proposed
       | projects. There are 36 square km of solar farms planned in west
       | central ohio that don't show here at all.
        
         | zaik wrote:
         | The data seems to be from OpenStreetMap. Features which do not
         | currently exist are out of scope for OSM.
        
           | tomrod wrote:
           | It shouldn't be too hard to generate new geospatial layers if
           | the data is available.
           | 
           | It's not on OSM to do so, of course, but it isn't infeasible.
        
       | karussell wrote:
       | Impressive data collection from OpenStreetMap (as always :)).
       | 
       | It would be great when wind power sources could be highlighted
       | like solar sources and when wind & solar are more visible by
       | default. Even solar power parks appear only on larger zoom scale
       | (in my area).
        
       | blhack wrote:
       | This is _incredibly_ detailed. Really neat.
        
       | fjfaase wrote:
       | In August and September 2007, I spend some tracking all major
       | power lines in the Netherlands using Google Earth. Interesting to
       | see that the information provided on openinframap.org is much
       | more detailed.
        
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