[HN Gopher] Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide... ___________________________________________________________________ Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide a dark family secret (2015) Author : nceqs3 Score : 107 points Date : 2022-01-15 20:48 UTC (2 hours ago) (HTM) web link (tonyortega.org) (TXT) w3m dump (tonyortega.org) | theginger wrote: | What was the outcome of this story? Did the original story get | reindexed? Did the take down story become the top result instead? | jlund-molfese wrote: | Looks like it's at least indexed, even if it's not the first | result for "Bob Dugan" anymore[1] | | [1] | https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+perplexing+tale+about+b... | anonymous-13669 wrote: | Holy smokes. | | Bob was the money-man at a place I worked, long long ago. He | wasn't a billionaire then, just a measly little millionaire I | think. | | He always was a blown-back-hairdo phony. One example: he at one | point decided to read some inspirational business text to the | whole company. Some jabber about productiveness, etc. While the | rest of us dozing off to these empty phrases, he got so inspired | that was moved to extemporize "Straight! Like a laser!" into it. | | That phrase, "Straight! Like a laser!" became an office joke | after that. | | Now I really need to go read this article. | ilrwbwrkhv wrote: | and now he is a billionaire and yet you make fun of him. | alex_young wrote: | Is there something wrong with making fun of billionaires? | cmeacham98 wrote: | Assuming this "complaint under the DMCA" was a standard DMCA | takedown Google is legally obligated to do the takedown, or | assume your liability (hint: they aren't going to do this). Did | Google not give them the option to file a counterclaim? | | Of course Google isn't going to check your website to see if you | replaced the images, that's not their job. That's on purpose, | that's how the law works. Takedown takes the content down, | counterclaim puts it back up, then the claimant sues if they | still disagree. | kevin_thibedeau wrote: | Google doesn't host web site content. They are not obligated to | take down anything from their search index. They also don't | implement the full DMCA process where you can submit a | counternotice and have all disputed content restored | immediately. | adrianmonk wrote: | Not a lawyer, but I think the law extends beyond hosting. | | From https://www.copyright.gov/512/ : | | > _OSP stands for "Online Service Provider."_ ... _The DMCA | contemplates four distinct kinds of OSPs_ ... _referring or | linking users to online sites using information location | tools (e.g., search engines)._ | | And the text of the law itself | (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512) describes | DMCA immunity for: | | > _infringement of copyright by reason of the provider | referring or linking users to an online location containing | infringing material or infringing activity, by using | information location tools, including a directory, index, | reference, pointer, or hypertext link_ | adolph wrote: | https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905?hl=e. | .. | | Removing Content From Google | | _Even if Google removes a webpage or image from our search | results, we are not able to remove content from websites that | host it. The page may still exist on the website and this | means it can be found through the URL to the website, social | media sharing, or other search engines. We recommend reaching | out to the website owner to request removal._ | cmeacham98 wrote: | I don't think this has ever been settled in a court case, but | Google is arguably rehosting the content, especially given | their search cache of pages is publicly accessible. | | I wouldn't blame them for allowing DMCA takedowns to be on | the cautious side. It's shitty if they don't give a way to | counterclaim though, I've never been the recipient of a | Google DMCA so I didn't know. | boomboomsubban wrote: | Doesn't Google add a little note saying "2 links were removed due | to DMCA claims, click here for details?" The absence of that note | hints this is more than a boilerplate DMCA claim, though it also | wouldn't surprise me if Duggan paid someone else for search | engine optimization. | civilized wrote: | Link has an autoplay video with sound. Some sales dork is yapping | at me within seconds of the page loading. Sorry, no story is | worth that. | youngtaff wrote: | I get to see the reports from a few UK newspapers for articles | that have been de-indexed in line with European data protection | laws and without fail every article mentions someone that's been | up to some shady shit... | | From men the have beaten their partners, or been found guilty of | rape to people who've been found guilty of fraud every deindex | involves someone trying to hide something bad they've done ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-01-15 23:00 UTC)