[HN Gopher] Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide...
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       Google helps Scientology billionaire Bob Duggan hide a dark family
       secret (2015)
        
       Author : nceqs3
       Score  : 107 points
       Date   : 2022-01-15 20:48 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (tonyortega.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (tonyortega.org)
        
       | theginger wrote:
       | What was the outcome of this story? Did the original story get
       | reindexed? Did the take down story become the top result instead?
        
         | jlund-molfese wrote:
         | Looks like it's at least indexed, even if it's not the first
         | result for "Bob Dugan" anymore[1]
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+perplexing+tale+about+b...
        
       | anonymous-13669 wrote:
       | Holy smokes.
       | 
       | Bob was the money-man at a place I worked, long long ago. He
       | wasn't a billionaire then, just a measly little millionaire I
       | think.
       | 
       | He always was a blown-back-hairdo phony. One example: he at one
       | point decided to read some inspirational business text to the
       | whole company. Some jabber about productiveness, etc. While the
       | rest of us dozing off to these empty phrases, he got so inspired
       | that was moved to extemporize "Straight! Like a laser!" into it.
       | 
       | That phrase, "Straight! Like a laser!" became an office joke
       | after that.
       | 
       | Now I really need to go read this article.
        
         | ilrwbwrkhv wrote:
         | and now he is a billionaire and yet you make fun of him.
        
           | alex_young wrote:
           | Is there something wrong with making fun of billionaires?
        
       | cmeacham98 wrote:
       | Assuming this "complaint under the DMCA" was a standard DMCA
       | takedown Google is legally obligated to do the takedown, or
       | assume your liability (hint: they aren't going to do this). Did
       | Google not give them the option to file a counterclaim?
       | 
       | Of course Google isn't going to check your website to see if you
       | replaced the images, that's not their job. That's on purpose,
       | that's how the law works. Takedown takes the content down,
       | counterclaim puts it back up, then the claimant sues if they
       | still disagree.
        
         | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
         | Google doesn't host web site content. They are not obligated to
         | take down anything from their search index. They also don't
         | implement the full DMCA process where you can submit a
         | counternotice and have all disputed content restored
         | immediately.
        
           | adrianmonk wrote:
           | Not a lawyer, but I think the law extends beyond hosting.
           | 
           | From https://www.copyright.gov/512/ :
           | 
           | > _OSP stands for "Online Service Provider."_ ... _The DMCA
           | contemplates four distinct kinds of OSPs_ ... _referring or
           | linking users to online sites using information location
           | tools (e.g., search engines)._
           | 
           | And the text of the law itself
           | (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512) describes
           | DMCA immunity for:
           | 
           | > _infringement of copyright by reason of the provider
           | referring or linking users to an online location containing
           | infringing material or infringing activity, by using
           | information location tools, including a directory, index,
           | reference, pointer, or hypertext link_
        
           | adolph wrote:
           | https://support.google.com/legal/troubleshooter/1114905?hl=e.
           | ..
           | 
           | Removing Content From Google
           | 
           |  _Even if Google removes a webpage or image from our search
           | results, we are not able to remove content from websites that
           | host it. The page may still exist on the website and this
           | means it can be found through the URL to the website, social
           | media sharing, or other search engines. We recommend reaching
           | out to the website owner to request removal._
        
           | cmeacham98 wrote:
           | I don't think this has ever been settled in a court case, but
           | Google is arguably rehosting the content, especially given
           | their search cache of pages is publicly accessible.
           | 
           | I wouldn't blame them for allowing DMCA takedowns to be on
           | the cautious side. It's shitty if they don't give a way to
           | counterclaim though, I've never been the recipient of a
           | Google DMCA so I didn't know.
        
       | boomboomsubban wrote:
       | Doesn't Google add a little note saying "2 links were removed due
       | to DMCA claims, click here for details?" The absence of that note
       | hints this is more than a boilerplate DMCA claim, though it also
       | wouldn't surprise me if Duggan paid someone else for search
       | engine optimization.
        
       | civilized wrote:
       | Link has an autoplay video with sound. Some sales dork is yapping
       | at me within seconds of the page loading. Sorry, no story is
       | worth that.
        
       | youngtaff wrote:
       | I get to see the reports from a few UK newspapers for articles
       | that have been de-indexed in line with European data protection
       | laws and without fail every article mentions someone that's been
       | up to some shady shit...
       | 
       | From men the have beaten their partners, or been found guilty of
       | rape to people who've been found guilty of fraud every deindex
       | involves someone trying to hide something bad they've done
        
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