[HN Gopher] Switching from macOS to Pop _OS
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Switching from macOS to Pop _OS
Author : zathan
Score : 161 points
Date : 2022-01-15 20:55 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| brundolf wrote:
| Wow, this documentation is incredibly thoughtfully-done. It's
| wonderful to see a Linux distro give this much attention to
| holistic user-experience for regular people (going beyond just
| the UI itself)
| plumeria wrote:
| Curious to see no mention of AppImage [1] next to flatpack [2].
|
| [1] https://appimage.org/ [2] https://flatpak.org/
| rzzzt wrote:
| No Snaps or RPMs or .tar.gz archives or ebuilds or instructions
| for compiling from source either.
| Normille wrote:
| All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though
| I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros,
| I'm stuck with MacOS because [like a lot of folks who use MacOS
| for work reasons and not to be 'hipster cool'] I work in the
| design industry and that means the Adobe suite is a must.
|
| Linux has nothing that comes close. And the customary
| recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitifully awful
| compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I seriously doubt the
| people who suggest them are professional designers, who have to
| work with these packages, day in and day out. So, yeah, I'm all
| for Linux distros which try and lift some of the elegant design
| cues from MacOS. But, at the end of the day, the OS is just
| something I use to open / edit / save and move files around. It's
| not where I actually get my work done.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| I think these articles are meant for casual users and
| programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic
| users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will
| let you replace photoshop overnight.
| Shared404 wrote:
| > No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let
| you replace photoshop overnight.
|
| Eh, high school me is sitting somewhere in the background
| sheepishly right now.
|
| High school me was not the most intelligent guy.
| Aeolun wrote:
| I think for highschool you it probably was a 100%
| replacement for everything _you_ ever did with Photoshop.
| Shared404 wrote:
| > And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are
| so pitifully awful compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I
| seriously doubt the people who suggest them are professional
| designers, who have to work with these packages, day in and day
| out.
|
| Understandable. While I do think familiarity has some impact, I
| picked up photoshop for the first time much faster than The
| Gimp, Inkscape was closer but Illustrator was still faster.
|
| For my purposes, running Linux+FL/OSS is worthwhile as a
| hobbyist however.
|
| I'm curious if you've tried Krita, and if so what your
| experience was? I found it much much _much_ more intuitive than
| The Gimp.
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Back about a decade ago when I was doing similar work that
| required Adobe tools, I used Virtualbox and really enjoyed the
| compromise. The desktop flexibility of XFCE was enough reason
| for me at the time, being kind of tired of all the third party
| commercial tools I was using for the same conveniences in Mac
| OS that didn't work as well.
|
| Turns out I also wanted to play with my work more, and I ended
| up writing scripts to do a lot of the work I thought I would
| use Adobe for.
|
| It was also pretty funny to start getting "share flowchart
| template pls" requests from my colleague who used InDesign,
| when I had created the flowcharts in LibreOffice and Inkscape.
|
| So IDK, tools and results are one thing, but fun new processes
| are often fun and also end up getting results that were worth
| it in different ways.
| mukundmr wrote:
| What about security patches for the Pop _OS specific desktop
| components? The underlying Debian components are maintained
| elsewhere.
| criddell wrote:
| I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something
| that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major
| operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by
| installing a few packages.
|
| Pop may be great, but it's useless if you need to run Final Cut
| Pro. macOS is wonderful, but not if you want to play a lot of AAA
| games. Windows is fine, but if you are doing a lot of Ruby on
| Rails you may have an easier path on some Linux distro.
| Aeolun wrote:
| My problem with OSX and Windows is that they're basically
| nannies. They often pretend to know what is best for me. Linux
| (and Pop OS in specific) never does this. I feel in control of
| my own computer again.
| headmelted wrote:
| There's so much nuance to it though.
|
| Sure, each of the "big three" work well enough these days for
| most tasks, but there's more to it than just compatibility.
|
| macOS has pretty unobtrusive systems in place for code signing
| and only running software from known vendors.
|
| Linux has code-signing, in that it exists as a technology, but
| it's not ubiquitously supported and you don't get a centralised
| service vouching for recognised vendors out of the box (which
| makes sense as it kind of goes against the libre ethos - but
| it's not a great situation for many users).
|
| Windows supports gaming and _most_ desktop software, but the
| security system (last I checked - please tell me if I'm way out
| of date on this) isn't granular enough to cater to what you may
| or may not be comfortable with - so a lot of software will just
| trigger a UAC prompt for carte-blanche admin rights, which is
| as dangerous as you imagine.
| judge2020 wrote:
| Yes, Windows still has UAC issues and the farthest code
| signing goes for that is that unsigned code will have a
| yellow UAC versus blue/neutral[0].
|
| 0: https://i.judge.sh/zY50J/VyN1SkEG_H.png unverified,
| https://i.judge.sh/GmEa4/DVjFllkp_R.png verified on 11
| somenewaccount1 wrote:
| I think you understand perfectly why people have strong
| opinions. Depending on your particular use case, one will work
| magnificently while the other will be toast.
| sbayeta wrote:
| I use Windows with wsl2. It's really good, specially with W11
| which brings seamless integration with Linux GUI apps.
| Definitely worth a try.
| lvs wrote:
| I've used Windows on at least one machine since 3.1, and the
| turn they made in anti-user dark patterns going from 7 to 10
| was the end for me. They want me to relinquish the idea that
| the OS is something I own and control for myself. And that's
| just not something I'm willing to do. So I quit Windows
| entirely a few years ago. Still need a VM for some things, but
| I don't miss it. I hear they finally fixed the print spooler
| after twenty years, but that's not enough for me.
| Skunkleton wrote:
| Operating systems are a fundamental part of the experience of
| using a computer. Let me expand on that a little. For most of
| your tasks, it won't matter too much which OS you are using.
| The web browser is largely equally well supported on all
| platforms, as are editors, compilers, etc. Where the operating
| system becomes a fundamental experience is around the times
| when things start to go wrong in some way. What happens if you
| are missing an important tool? What happens if you encounter
| some bugs or other instabilities? What about when you need
| security updates? What if you don't like how windows maximize?
|
| These error conditions are where operating systems differ so
| greatly from each other. On one end of the spectrum you have
| open source operating systems. When you encounter some error
| condition, you spend your time researching solutions. In the
| extreme, you modify whatever isn't working to your tastes on
| your own. On the other end of the spectrum you have fully
| locked down operating systems like iOS. Here when something
| goes wrong, you instead decide how to adapt your use of the
| device to avoid whatever issue you encountered.
|
| What happens when things go wrong is what drives me to one OS
| or another, and is usually what is relevant in these
| discussions.
| Hermitian909 wrote:
| > I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something
| that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major
| operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by
| installing a few packages.
|
| The phrase "good enough" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here
| as people have different priorities. For some people, having
| their dev environment broken by updates is a huge negative,
| something MacOS has done to myself and others frequently over
| the past few years. Others, like myself, don't care so much and
| so indeed MacOS is "good enough" for me but certainly not for
| everyone.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Perhaps there should be more of a pragmatic push for dual
| booting? I daily Fedora Linux but I can boot to Windows for
| random unsupported games. My setup is perfect for me despite
| being ~10 years old.
| marcodiego wrote:
| > I don't get how operating systems are still something that
| people have such strong opinions on.
|
| When there is FLOSS, it is very common to also have feelings
| and ideology mixed in. It is very common for "FLOSS people" to
| evaluate software beyond familiarity and technical merits.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| It's all about what you want in an OS. MacOS for example is
| very much one size fits all. For someone like me who wants to
| tune the nuts and bolts of the system is frustrating.
|
| Windows is better at this and Linux of course shines depending
| on which distro you pick. I consider each distro its own OS.
| For the same reason gnome doesn't work for me (and thus PopOS
| doesn't) but KDE and i3 do.
|
| But other people have other priorities. And the software you
| want to run heavily factors into it.
| richnftio wrote:
| The Linux desktop is flexible and customizable. I wish
| mainstream apps would run on Linux as well, so we could
| experiment and further develop established UI paradigms.
| windexh8er wrote:
| I find this comment disheartening. Not only because it
| diminishes the polished nature of today's landscape of open
| source options from IoT through to the data center, but the
| genuine disregard for anything that doesn't run niche
| commercial software.
|
| Beyond that many of us enjoy not running operating systems
| attached to overpriced hardware and/or organizations that
| legitimately spy on their users through their "OS".
| pram wrote:
| The "niche commercial software" is how some people make a
| living jfyi
| kortilla wrote:
| So what? Some people people make a living as a cook too.
| Doesn't mean we can't appreciate kitchen appliances not
| designed for commercial use.
| windexh8er wrote:
| I get that.
|
| My point is that OP says they don't "get" why people have
| opinions on OSes and then goes on to state how Pop_OS is
| "useless" if you want to run niche commercial software.
|
| I mean if OSes don't matter then I guess one doesn't _need_
| Final Cut Pro. Kdenlive or OpenShot should be just fine,
| right? I find that sort of argument disheartening and it is
| because it diminishes the free and polished options we have
| at our disposal.
| bitigchi wrote:
| This makes it sound like only Pop_OS! has the applications listed
| for it and they are not available for macOS.
|
| It's also funny that macOS has application installs sorted and
| the Pop_OS side starts listing paths. :))
| AzzieElbab wrote:
| Switched to PopOs from Fedora kde/xmonad mix. Their tiling
| manager is functional enough for me and best of all I do not have
| to maintain my own desktop
| icambron wrote:
| I bought a desktop from System76 (it's wonderful) so I gave
| Pop_os a spin. It's pretty clean but there were just too many
| little things that didn't _quite_ work right. Customizing
| keyboard shortcuts never quite got me what I wanted. UI elements
| in the status bar that would stop being clickable. Buggy config
| screens. I eventually gave up.
|
| I love the idea and I wish them the best of luck, but as of a
| couple months ago, they weren't there yet.
| Sosh101 wrote:
| I've been using it as my main OS for nearly 3 years now,
| without any of the problems you describe.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| Another opinion: Pop_OS is fine and perfectly useable. I have
| used it for 3 years without any big issues. Sure pop_os store
| hangs occasionally but it times out and fixes itself and I
| haven't seen it doing even that in 22.10. It's fine folks, give
| it a try.
| mindcrime wrote:
| I can't say much about the MacOS side of things (I do use a Mac
| at my day-job, but only because the choice is Mac or Windows, no
| Linux option). But as far as PopOS goes... I've been using it
| full-time on my personal laptop for several months now, and I'm
| very happy. Surprisingly so, you might say.
|
| Why "surprising?" Well TBH, I always looked at PopOS as kind of a
| niche / oddball thing, along with any other distro that exists
| only because a device manufacturer is pushing it. I had assumed
| that when I got my System76 box I'd immediately install Fedora or
| something. But when it got here I felt too lazy to do that on
| "day zero" so I figured "Aaah, heck, I'll keep this PopOS thing
| around until I get some spare time, then I'll do a reinstall."
| Fast forward 6+ months now and I'm still running PopOS and am
| pretty happy with it. It mostly "just works" and I have access to
| basically all of the same packages as Ubuntu so everything I've
| needed to install (modulo a very small number) has been right at
| my fingertips, a quick "apt install" away.
|
| Net-net, if anybody out there is thinking of trying PopOS, I'd
| encourage you to give it a whirl. Note: I am not associated with
| PopOS or System76 in any way, aside from being a System76
| customer. I have no financial stake in this discussion.
| azangru wrote:
| Which System76 laptop are you using, and how has your
| experience been with it?
| mindcrime wrote:
| I went with a Gazelle. I splurged a little bit and got 32GB
| of RAM, and both a NVMe drive and an SSD, so I have both
| plenty of RAM and plenty of fast storage. By and large I am
| extremely satisfied with this box so far. The only thing I
| really don't like, and this is admittedly a pretty subjective
| thing, is the layout of the keyboard vis-a-vis the right
| shift key. I prefer a full-length shift key, _above_ the
| arrow keys. This has a smaller shift key, which is just to
| the left of the up arrow key and above the left arrow key. It
| 's a minor nit, but it's not as convenient to the way I like
| to use the shift and arrow keys together for selecting text.
| sandreas wrote:
| Distro does not matter as much too me like Desktop Environment or
| Window Manager. I tried many distributions, in the end, I got
| back Fedora but then to Ubuntu (mostly because of the ZFS on Root
| thing and everything works out of the box experience). Artix was
| pretty good, but KDE and krohnkite was "too customizable" for me
| and dwm to less desktop environment.
|
| BTW: If someone would like to have a tiling window manager on
| MacOS, try Amethyst[1]. Pretty awesome ;)
|
| [1]: https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst
| multiplegeorges wrote:
| Is it finally the year of Linux on the desktop?
|
| But seriously, the work System76 is doing is really great. PopOS
| is really nice to use. The attention it is getting is well
| deserved.
| kradeelav wrote:
| I too just moved from a 2010 macbook pro over to a S76 lemur
| pro as my main machine a few months ago. I think a lot of
| people who fit that wedge of "not hardcore techies, but
| passionate about freedom of software" have been dismayed with
| the recent apple/microsoft moves/censorship/etc, and are
| realizing linux is actually pretty user friendly with plenty of
| software options versus ten years ago.
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| Every year is the Year of Linux on the Desktop as more people
| move over.
| pjmlp wrote:
| 20 years for 1%, there is always hope I guess.
| sebow wrote:
| That depends on the definition.The year we break 1% market
| share (usually with the steam survey as reference)? Already
| happened.
|
| I would say it's gonna be exploding after steam deck launches.I
| think it's gonna be higher than 2%,maybe 3% this year.Would be
| surprised if it gets past 5%, but that's a decent
| stretch(though not impossible at all).
| lordgroff wrote:
| First year for me not on Linux desktop for my primary device
| since... 99? M1 Air was the culprit. I still don't particularly
| love Mac OS and remain somewhat puzzled by the overwhelming
| love people have for it but:
|
| 1. It's usable enough and it's certainly polished and much more
| importantly
|
| 2. The M1 Air is the laptop I always dreamed of. Fast, doesn't
| get hot, SILENT. It's worth the trade-off for me, but I hope
| Linux on M1 succeeds and I get to run Linux again.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _Is it finally the year of Linux on the desktop?_
|
| Considering that the hope behind this term was about winning
| the desktop user share from Windows, and not just "being
| usable" on the desktop, or "being used" on the desktop, no.
| multiplegeorges wrote:
| Yeah, it was a joke.
|
| Every year can be that year if you just use it.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Now that Windows 11 is a thing, I think winning desktop user
| share from Windows will be easier than ever before. What else
| is the average Joe going to do with their TPM-less devices?
| nebula8804 wrote:
| Throw them in the trash and buy a new PC. They are pretty
| cheap.
| ejj28 wrote:
| Having worked at an independent PC repair shop, there are
| a lot of people who would rather keep using their old 6+
| year old laptops and have SSDs installed in them than go
| out and buy a new laptop. Yeah there are cheap ones for
| sale, but they're underpowered, have regular old HDDs,
| and only 4GB of RAM. Plus, now they're coming with
| Windows 11 preinstalled, which will annoy a lot of people
| who are used to Windows 7 or 10.
| Shared404 wrote:
| Currently work at an independent PC repair shop, and can
| confirm this.
|
| It's not uncommon for us to get a machine which is
| limping along on Windows 7 for the 15th year in a row,
| add an SSD and reinstall 7, 10, or rarely Linux Mint
| depending on how stubborn the user is on not upgrading to
| 10 and how open they are to change.
| marcodiego wrote:
| 6+ year old laptops run very decently with 8gb RAM, a SSD
| and a modern linux distro.
| coldtea wrote:
| Keep them on 10, and eventually throw them and upgrade when
| the time comes.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Now that Windows Vista is a thing, I think winning desktop
| user share from Windows will be easier than ever before.
| What else is the average Joe going to do with their
| DX10-less devices?
| marcodiego wrote:
| We heard similar comments about Me, Vista and 8.
| howdydoo wrote:
| This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from
| Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a
| good package manager. WAIT, let me explain.
|
| On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and
| you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one
| command away.
|
| Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of
| date. So authors have started making their own custom install
| scripts [1], or just telling you to `curl` the binary into
| /usr/bin [2]. To update these manually-curled binaries you need
| to run a different set of steps for every one. There's no way to
| list outdated apps, and there's no easy way to update everything.
|
| On top of that, many apps I use aren't even packaged (k9s, broot
| are two random ones I just found). Sometimes you can find a
| third-party repo, but that's yet another person you rely on to
| get updates. Whereas with scoop, it fetches straight from the
| source, so there's never any waiting.
|
| Is there some alternative to `apt` that everyone is using? Or how
| do people generally deal with this?
|
| [1]: https://starship.rs/guide/
|
| [2]: https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep#installation
| mavhc wrote:
| Being out of date is Debian Stable's whole thing. Don't pick
| that if you want the latest versions, or just use containers
| nopenopenopeno wrote:
| I'm pretty sure there is a homebrew for linux project, but I've
| never used it.
|
| Remember apt packages have a rigorous review process. Scoop
| installs every program in user space, which is very good, but
| it's nothing like what apt's review process offers. The
| comparison on convenience alone is naive.
|
| I think scoop is really nice. It's a near perfect solution for
| the problem it solves, but the only problem it solves is
| convenience, and you're still stuck using Windows.
|
| Ultimately, I've found the most hassle-free solution is a
| default Ubuntu installation with a maintained dotfiles repo
| that has a ./scripts directory to document installation methods
| when necessary.
|
| Or, do one better and make Dockerfiles for your dev
| environments and barely install anything on your local machine.
|
| I am tempted by Manjaro, but I generally like to stick to the
| beaten path as much as possible so I don't run into too many
| snags that slow me down.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| If you want up to date everything you simply chose the wrong
| distro. It's not really the package manager's fault.
|
| Debian goes for stable versions during a release and backports
| security patches. It's one of their main design philosophies.
| It really shines for boxes you want to run something for years
| with minimal maintenance.
|
| Get arch, manjaro or another rolling distro and you'll have
| what you want :)
|
| Or perhaps Ubuntu which is Debian based, but they put a lot of
| effort into decoupling the OS packages and libs from third
| party software using snap. It does have some drawbacks though
| like launching speed and integration. Personally I go the
| rolling way for my daily drivers.
| howdydoo wrote:
| I just think it's weird that I can't have an LTS OS with non-
| LTS userland apps. But I guess I have to accept that.
|
| Snap is a nonstarter for me for many reasons. Startup speed
| is important for shell pipelines, and also it's insane to
| bundle that much stuff just to run a statically-linked
| binary. And it wouldn't even solve the version problem, it
| looks like ripgrep on Snap is two years old.
| https://snapcraft.io/ripgrep
|
| It looks like manjaro is the most recommended arch distro so
| I'll give it a try.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Hmm for anything Rust I just always run 'cargo install
| xxx'. I realize that doesn't help you, but I'm surprised
| using the package manager is actually the most convenient
| cross-platform way to install.
| Shared404 wrote:
| Manjaro kinda went off the deep end, I would recommend
| installing Arch manually, or maybe using Antergos.
|
| Actually, Fedora may be better for your usecase. Assuming
| no proprietary drivers are required, it's a very simple
| install process, and tends to keep quite up to date
| software while remaining more stable than Arch.
| howdydoo wrote:
| Can you elaborate, what happened with Manjaro?
| emptysongglass wrote:
| For the CNCF landscape of tooling there's Arkade, which would
| at least cover you on the k9s front. [1]
|
| Personally, I just use Nix plus a Home Manager "flake". [2]
| It's completely self-contained so on any new computer I can
| install Nix, then build this flake manifest and have my entire
| developer environment ready to go in a few minutes. Having
| clean installed or adopted so many computers, at home or work,
| I have become obsessed with the fewest number of steps to
| productive environment.
|
| [1] https://github.com/alexellis/arkade
|
| [2] https://dee.underscore.world/blog/home-manager-flakes/
| pydry wrote:
| I made the mistake of using debian stable when I first used it
| and ran into this problem.
|
| Debian stable is not a good desktop OS.
| rajishx wrote:
| guix is what you are looking for, (I think)
|
| a bit complicated at first sight but if you value your freedom
| and is a poweruser then it is the panacea, and you can do this
| on any linux or unices...
|
| alternatively nix,
| deadbunny wrote:
| I've honestly rarely run into something that made me miss not
| having the latest version of something.
|
| Sure is something is new or under heavy develoent it might be
| an issue but having a 3 year old version of jq vs a 3 day old
| version has rarely come up for me.
|
| With that said you have plenty of choice:
|
| Flatpacks provide the latest versions of lots of things.
|
| Homebrew is available for Linux (I have never tried it)
|
| Don't use Debian as many people have already suggested
|
| Compile yourself/manage your own version. Like people have been
| doing for decades.
|
| For this while I would highly suggest putting things in `~/bin`
| or `/opt` and adding it to your $PATH, never put things in
| `/usr/bin`, that's is what apt manages and you could easily
| shoot yourself in the foot if you fuck about there.
| mindB wrote:
| One alternative you could use is nix. It works as a package
| manager even when not running NixOS, and the software is
| generally up-to-date in the unstable channel (which most people
| use as far as I can tell).
| linux_is_nice wrote:
| Arch Linux :)
| howdydoo wrote:
| I heard rumors long ago that Arch has occasional stability
| problems caused by updates. Is that still true these days?
|
| I guess that's ironic to hear considering my original
| question, but I appreciate a different update cadence between
| the OS (I want LTS, stable) and things like `ripgrep`, which
| if there's a bug, it won't keep me from booting my system and
| I can just downgrade if I notice it.
| rajishx wrote:
| i am not experiencing such instability, compared to a
| normal distro, i have actually no idea what breaks because
| so many things happened on the system, here a few packages
| here in there and i can easily pinpoint what problem is!
| nopenopenopeno wrote:
| I haven't used it, but Manjaro is the more stable Arch. It
| has a longer release cycle, but nothing is like Ubuntu LTS,
| which I use for the same reason. I'd rather just not even
| be tempted to deal with newest updates and Ubuntu seems to
| be the only way to avoid that because enough people realize
| they have to keep a maintained version compatible with the
| current Ubuntu LTS.
| ejj28 wrote:
| Indeed, after pacman and yay I'm never going back to Debian-
| based systems for personal use. The Arch User Repository is
| so much more hassle-free than trying to install stuff on
| Debian from 3rd-party repos.
| nopenopenopeno wrote:
| What gives people confidence in the security of the user
| repository packages?
| jacques-andre wrote:
| https://github.com/Jguer/yay (arch)
| mise_en_place wrote:
| You could use pkgsrc or Nix.
| themodelplumber wrote:
| You can search distros based on the exact kind of packaging
| solution you want. The diversity is pretty amazing.
| howdydoo wrote:
| Scoop installs directly from the first-party source, so you
| only need to write a package once per app, instead of once
| per version of each app. Are there any distros that work like
| that?
| ahepp wrote:
| Have you considered using Debian testing or even unstable, if
| you want newer packages?
|
| I absolutely agree that manually installing software leads to a
| maintainability nightmare.
|
| How does scoop solve the problem? Is it simply by moving faster
| (which one could do with the less stable Debian repos), or is
| it doing something like isolating all shared dependencies for
| every package (I know this is in style these days, but I'm not
| a huge fan of it).
| howdydoo wrote:
| The name "testing" kind of turns me off tbh. I want my OS to
| boot reliably. I don't want to be a test subject.
|
| > How does scoop solve the problem?
|
| It skips intermediate packaging steps and goes directly to
| the source. e.g. if the author publishes on GitHub, Scoop
| will request `github.com/ripgrep/releases/latest` (or
| whatever) and then download `ripgrep-$version.exe`. It has
| very primitive dependency handling, but I don't think that
| matters because I mostly install Go/Rust tools which are
| statically linked.
|
| I honenstly think it's a genius solution. There's no wait
| time for updates, and you don't have to trust whatever user
| created the package on every version update.
| kortilla wrote:
| How is that genius? It basically ignores compatibility and
| stability as concepts entirely. Most people don't want
| breaking changes to happen at arbitrary updates.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| almost nobody uses debian on the desktop. If you're using tools
| like jq, fzf, ripgrep then you're smart enough to use
| cargo/flatpak/snap to get anything that you want. You can put
| it in a script and have it all ready for now and in the future
| if you like if you'd doing it on a lot of machines.
| rd07 wrote:
| Have you tried Arch or Arch-based distribution? I am using
| Manjaro, and I feel that 'pamac' is a good package manager in
| terms of keeping up with package update. Arch and its
| derivatives mainly use 2 repositories, Arch Official Repository
| and Arch User Repository (AUR). Sometimes, a distribution also
| has its own repository. AUR is what blown me away a a former
| Ubuntu user. Because, it often has the package I want to
| install, even if has no official build for Arch.
| 6figurelenins wrote:
| The backports repo solves most of it, with an occasional
| supplement from testing. #
| /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release
| o=Debian Backports,a=bullseye-backports Pin-Priority:
| 500 Package: * Pin: release
| o=Debian,a=stable Pin-Priority: 100
| Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-
| Priority: 98 Package: * Pin: release
| o=Debian,a=unstable Pin-Priority: 50
|
| Then: $ apt-cache policy ripgrep fzf jq
| ripgrep: Installed: (none) Candidate:
| 12.1.1-1+b1 Version table: 13.0.0-2 98
| 50 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
| 98 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
| 12.1.1-1+b1 100 100
| http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
| fzf: Installed: (none) Candidate:
| 0.24.3-1+b6 Version table: 0.29.0-1 98
| 50 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
| 98 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
| 0.24.3-1+b6 100 100
| http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
| jq: Installed: 1.6-2.1 Candidate: 1.6-2.1
| Version table: *** 1.6-2.1 100 100
| http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
| 50 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
| 98 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
| 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
|
| PS. Don't curl into /usr/bin, the distro owns that. Downloads
| go to $HOME/bin or /usr/local/bin.
| christophilus wrote:
| Arch or Fedora. Even Ubuntu will likely be more up to date.
| Some people use Debian Sid, which is kinda like a rolling
| distro, if you squint.
|
| But seriously: Arch-based or Fedora is what you want. They're
| up to date.
| 88913527 wrote:
| I find the branding of the gigantic P and the exclamation point,
| when used as a backdrop, to be excessively distracting from the
| content in the foreground.
| super_linear wrote:
| Also find it hard to read the article since I see "Pop!_OS" and
| think they're trying to emphasize something
| allenu wrote:
| This is my first time reading about this OS and the naming is
| very strange to me. I don't understand why they decided to go
| with "!_" in the middle. It feels a little too techy for a
| mainstream user. Why not PopOS or Pop OS?
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| It's just branding, PopOS or popos is what most people type
| Do Not use the pop!_os when searching for related info or
| you'll get far fewer hits.
| periheli0n wrote:
| Maybe there's a German on the team who insisted on visually
| splitting the "Pop" from the "OS". "Popos" is German for
| "booties".
| Shared404 wrote:
| > It feels a little too techy for a mainstream user.
|
| To be fair, they market themselves as "Pop!_OS is an
| operating system for STEM and creative professionals who
| use their computer as a tool to discover and create." on
| the main page for the OS.
|
| I'll admit, I don't love the !_ but for the opposite reason
| - it feels faux techy to me.
| ourdramadotnet wrote:
| zenlf wrote:
| After my previous Linux experience with Ubuntu 10 years ago, I
| gave pop os a try last year and was surprised how good it was.
|
| I think the engineers at System76 really know what they are doing
| and am excited about their new DE.
| timbit42 wrote:
| So you're comparing current pop os to Ubuntu 10 years ago?
| rzzzt wrote:
| Are they? I only see two events mentioned, with 9 years in
| between.
| EB-Barrington wrote:
| Wanted to read this link, but 404:
| https://support.system76.com/articles/Pop!_OS-20.04-LTS-Rele...
| zibzab wrote:
| This is the distro that LTT used to test Linux gaming, right?
| rPlayer6554 wrote:
| Linus tried it but had an issue where installing steam wiped
| his DE. He switched to Manjaro and Luke used Mint.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| Not paying attention while installing steam wiped his
| desktop. TBF though he isn't that used to using Linux as a
| desktop. Manjaro did go much smoother for him.
| CtrlAlt wrote:
| I believe so. He might have switched or tried out Manjaro since
| he had issues with steam on Pop_OS.
| wging wrote:
| It's not. Linus used Manjaro.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Linus used it for a bit before a bug in the apt repos caused
| a forced steam install to uninstall his GUI.
|
| Pretty bad timing because the bug was there for just a short
| while but at least the devs made changes to prevent such a
| thing from happening to a beginner in the future
| smoldesu wrote:
| Wrong distro, this is the one where he typed "Yes, do as I
| say!" into the console verbatim to uninstall his desktop
| environment...
| newaccount2021 wrote:
| sam0x17 wrote:
| PopOS is nice, but I still find that nothing beats Budgie as far
| as Ubuntu distros go. Just way cleaner UI than anything else out
| there.
| jio232ij32ij wrote:
| marcodiego wrote:
| My neighbor asked me to help him get rid of windows 10 and
| install Ubuntu on his old (2013) laptop. I helped. It was easy
| and fast to install. Of course, you needed to know what is an
| image and how to boot from a USB device, but it was easy
| nonetheless.
|
| Since he doesn't depend on any windows-only software, hardware or
| service, I didn't expect any problem.
|
| I was particularly happy the printer (an multifunction HP Deskjet
| 27XX series) needed no fiddle to work, neither did its scanner.
| The windows driver was EXTREMELY intrusive and required an HP
| account.
|
| Bluetooth needed a fix:
| https://askubuntu.com/questions/1232159/ubuntu-20-04-no-soun...
| which was the first google result and very easy to fix. After
| that, he was impressed that by just turning on the bluetooth
| speaker was enough to have the audio routed through it.
|
| Then he proceeded to install software. I then started watching
| like someone who is following an usability test. He googled to
| install chrome and asked me if he should download the .rpm or
| .deb, I answered he needed the .deb. Firefox downloaded it but
| didn't automatically opened it. I really don't know why. I also
| don't know if simply double-clicking it in nautilus would be
| enough, I just typed "dpkg -i" and that was done, but it was not
| the best experience in usability. This needs a fix.
|
| I then told him that he should not expect to install things the
| old windows way: download an installer an run it. I then showed
| him "Ubuntu Software". Most users these days are used to
| something similar to that thanks to "stores" on smartphones (note
| that FLOSS was a pioneer with this concept). Things then went
| mostly downhill from there. It is not that he couldn't install
| what he needed, on the contrary: he did install what he needed
| but "Ubuntu Software" is very very buggy! Results are duplicated
| without clear differentiation, you couldn't tell the state of it
| just by looking at it, software was installed but didn't appear
| immediately, there was no clue when an installation finished,
| first time something was run took a long time without any
| indication what was happening... I'm glad I'm skilled to use the
| command line.
|
| If linux want to have a chance on the desktop, the software
| installing experience still has some way to go. It is better now
| for novices, but still partly broken.
|
| Conclusion: Much much better but still not there yet for complete
| novices. The good part: I don't know if windows or mac are
| "already there" for complete novices either.
| stjohnswarts wrote:
| you should tell him to always use the "store" for a given
| distro rather than googling, that's a bad idea and you can end
| up with malware or breaking your config. Much better to use
| pacman/apt/pkg/etc if you go through the command line to
| install. Installing bare .deb/.rpm is a really bad idea unless
| you are well versed on the distro and it's packaging system. I
| understand the pain points of stores but they are still far
| better than googling for it. Pop OS actually has a nice store
| and bug free as of the latest revision. All my version upgrades
| have gone well too. The only real issue I had was trying
| multiple desktops. If you switch from say Gnome/KDE/XFCE it is
| a good idea to reboot between as they do weird things to dbus
| and don't plan around having multiple login types going on.
| ThinkBeat wrote:
| I was thinking the other day that Apple is the only company
| developing their operating system and devices for consumers.
|
| I am not sure where Microsofts attention is these days. They have
| Windows Server I am not sure how the teams are allocated anymore.
|
| The vast majority of investment and work in Linux is for what
| FAANG and other enterprises need.
|
| The visual sugar POP_OS adds is nice, perhaps the on Linux. But
| it doesnt let you run Office 365, Creative Cloud, the vast
| majority of photo editing tools I use, or all the nice little
| apps I have on the Mac.
|
| I have been running Linux since 1994, but I have not yet found it
| convenient replacement for my desktop.
|
| It is getting very close on the "dev / coding" side, I can make
| that work
| upbeat_general wrote:
| Having switched from macOS to PopOS very recently, it's been
| pretty smooth. My only real issue is that Remote Desktop support
| is worse than macOS which is itself far worse than Windows RDP. I
| know it's a Linux/Debian wide problem, but I'd really like
| someone to step up and bundle something polished out of the box.
| aunty_helen wrote:
| I've been using chrome remote desktop to get to a box and it's
| been alright. I also use teamviewer. Which is ok but struggles
| with scrolling.
|
| I'm still pretty unhappy with myself for using chrome remote
| desktop though. It's something I wouldn't be doing if this
| system had anything private on it.
| csdvrx wrote:
| What are the better RDP options that debian is not packaging?
| upbeat_general wrote:
| To be honest the only good RDP I've used is Windows RDP. I'm
| not saying that Debian isn't packaging a good alternative but
| rather I haven't seen a good option that's useable for
| interactive work.
| flatiron wrote:
| Vnc? I think most people use ssh for remote for Linux which is
| why it probably doesn't get much love
| upbeat_general wrote:
| Vnc works for the basic use case of _viewing_ a remote
| screen. It's a mess for interactive use, especially with the
| default implementations you can find on Linux imo. macOS's
| built in screen sharing is the only vnc server /client combo
| that has acceptable latency but even it fails to support
| basic features like dynamic resolution for different clients.
|
| And I agree that SSH is definitely far more common; I of
| course use SSH but there are lots of reasons why an
| interactive desktop is either required, or just far more
| convenient.
| arsome wrote:
| X forwarding via compressed SSH (ssh -XC) is likely the
| simplest bet, especially now that WSL has good support for
| it, if you need more advanced remote desktop you can take a
| look at x2go which is based on NoMachine's NX protocol.
| upbeat_general wrote:
| I'm currently using NoMachine with their custom
| server/client.
|
| X forwarding via SSH only works for single applications
| and not an entire desktop correct?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| It took me (way too much) effort but I managed to get a
| pretty stable and smooth RDP server set up on my desktop.
| Sadly, GNOME3 and RDP don't work well together, so it broke
| after a random upgrade and hasn't worked since.
|
| You used to be able to use X11 forwarding quite well, but
| most tools I use tend to render their entire screens as a
| canvas causing way too many unnecessary updates. Wayland
| also makes it nearly impossible to do this on a modern
| system without compatibility layers.
|
| When RDP on Linux works, it works pretty well. I'd love for
| someone in the GNOME team to find a way to make RDP
| compatible and easier to set up. There's a VNC setting in
| the settings somewhere, but VNC is pretty insecure and
| terrible for interactive work.
| renox wrote:
| On Windows tigerVNC has dynamic resolution which is very
| useful, but yes VNC's latency is poor..
| kaladin-jasnah wrote:
| Use NoMachine. It's by far the *best* experience I've had and I
| love it. Sure, it's not free software, if that's your thing,
| but like, it's _really_ good (really good latency and quality).
| Works on Windows, Linux, and Mac hosts, and clients for all
| three as well.
|
| Truly a wonderful piece of software.
| kevinak wrote:
| I recently installed Pop_OS on a new Workstation and wanted it to
| look and feel like MacOS as much as possible. It's surprisingly
| easy. You can even make Firefox look like Safari if that's your
| jazz.
|
| Here's what I used: https://github.com/vinceliuice/WhiteSur-gtk-
| theme
| im_down_w_otp wrote:
| All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of
| meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the
| keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application
| be like and be as consistent as my old Macs.
|
| I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've
| hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about
| 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time it used to
| before spending days and days fiddling with a bunch of different
| flavors of remapping at nearly every layer of the system.
|
| If I'm ever fabulously wealthy, I already know I'm just going to
| finance an open source fastidious spiritual successor to MacOS
| 10.6
|
| I'm going to give Pop_Os a try, but I suspect I'm going to run
| into the same problems I always do. The trouble with Linux as a
| desktop for me isn't weather it's beautiful or not. The problem
| is how disintegrated everything is and the thousand papercuts
| ways in which it works.
|
| That said, I absolutely consider it basically an incredible
| miracle that the experience is as good as it is, frankly. So, I
| keep at it.
| somenewaccount1 wrote:
| Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that
| copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try
| changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then
| you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a
| nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment.
| Clearly I'm not alone.
| mkdirp wrote:
| Terminal is the only thing that maps ctrl+shift+c/v to
| copy/paste because ctrl+c/v conflicts with signals. I've
| never come across any other program that is maps something
| that isn't ctrl+c/v to copy/paste.
|
| MacOS is able to keep this consistent because ctrl+c/v isn't
| mapped to copy/paste, and instead command+c/v is. If you
| really want, Linux is perfectly capable of mapping Super+c/v
| to copy/paste. You would probably only need to do this in
| your terminal emulator and your DE.
| xedrac wrote:
| Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when
| highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it?
| Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.
| zamadatix wrote:
| I usually use middle paste on a desktop mouse but keyboard
| paste on a touchpad device. As for copying on highlight it
| depends how you manage your windows, if you use a
| traditional floating WM and typically click windows to
| select them you end up with a lot of single character
| copies messing with your clipboard. Doubly so in the
| touchpad case again. Or if you like to highlight to bulk
| delete/replace or if you like to highlight to simply
| highlight the section on your terminal as you read a
| manpage or whatever in another window or probably more use
| cases that didn't immediately come to mind.
|
| Point being it's more about use case matching than one
| option being the dark ages and another being The One Right
| Way(tm). Layer on that some like using clipboard history
| and others just want a single parking space and it gets
| even more blurry.
| tigerInATurvy wrote:
| I'm one of those people who highlights lines as I read them
| to help me keep focus. Plus, I'd rather have explicit
| copying via a specific action than something that just
| happens automatically on highlight.
| mindwok wrote:
| The biggest pain with this is when you want to highlight
| some other text to paste over. For example I use the
| keyboard method for copying urls and pasting into my
| address bar, otherwise when you select all on the address
| bar you copy that instead.
| dopidopHN wrote:
| I developed the utterly useless capacity to switch between
| Azerty / QWERTY and OS X/Debian/Win pretty seamlessly. I will
| make a mistake, look a what I'm currently using a switch the
| layout internally.
|
| I really wish I did not have to do that
| howdydoo wrote:
| Are there any apps other than terminals that don't use
| ctrl-c? I can forgive that in a terminal app because it
| conflicts with SIGINT, but it would be very weird if a normal
| app like vscode did it differently.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| Not really no. It seems to be only terminals.
|
| Mind you, Mac has a similar annoyance with its command-C/V.
| If you work with Linux (+BSD) , Windows and Mac every day,
| as I do, be prepared to be frustrated a LOT.
|
| I'd love if keyboards just had dedicated keys for this.
| It's used enough to warrant them (much more than other
| obscure functions like SysRq that do get their own key, or
| Apple's 19 function keys). I guess this is because I'm the
| DOS single task days there wasn't much of a need for
| copying and pasting.
| medo-bear wrote:
| alt+w is ctrl+c in emacs. moreover you can enable emacs-
| like key bindings in most terminals so alt+w can work there
| too without conflict
| pkulak wrote:
| That doesn't fly with me. I just use Alacritty and re-bind
| the keys so I can still use ctrl-c and v:
|
| https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacr.
| ..
| ohazi wrote:
| For various reasons, most Linux applications try not to use
| the Super (Windows) key for anything by default, which makes
| it a good candidate for use as a custom modifier key for
| whatever you want. For example, users of tiling window
| managers often use Super+... for interacting with their
| desktop (open a terminal, open a launcher, switch workspaces,
| swap windows, etc.).
|
| There's nothing stopping you from deciding to use Super+c/v
| as copy/paste instead of Ctrl+c/v or Ctrl+Shift+c/v. Apple
| doesn't use Ctrl+c/v either... they use Command, so the
| conflict you're referring to doesn't exist there either.
| nerdponx wrote:
| I think MacOS got something right by using its Command key
| for "desktop-wide" shortcuts that aren't specific to one
| application, (kind of) leaving Ctrl and Alt for applications.
|
| I generally try to follow this pattern when possible.
|
| But I really do wish that it was easier to get a consistent
| look and feel on Linux, including key bindings.
| taeric wrote:
| I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time.
| The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop
| back and forth between three windows. Something about the way
| command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what
| the window stack currently is.
|
| And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal
| to work like I want it to.
| vosper wrote:
| You might like to try rcmd? No affiliation, and I'll add that
| it didn't work on my external MS Natural keyboard, so I
| stopped using it. But I like the idea. Perhaps it would work
| for you?
|
| https://lowtechguys.com/rcmd/
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| Window switching on mac has always driven me mad. I cut my
| teeth on windows so that is probably why.
|
| Why can't one switch between windows of the same application
| on MacOS with a modifier+tab combination?
| ladberg wrote:
| It's Cmd-`, which is close enough to tab that I find it
| very handy
| Steltek wrote:
| Headed in the other direction (Linux at home to Mac at work)
| for years now, I can't understand what the fuss is about with
| Mac keyboard shortcuts. In my experience, I don't find them
| consistent, useful, or pleasant to use. You hit the nail on
| the head with alt-tab.
|
| alt-tab is universal. Hell, alt-tab works on Android if you
| hook up a keyboard to it. Mac is the only thing where alt-tab
| falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on
| Mac and use cmd-tab, it cycles between apps, not windows. You
| need to use cmd-` for that. I often find myself in a cycle of
| using 3 windows across 2 apps and it drives me bonkers.
| saurik wrote:
| > Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face.
| Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-
| tab...
|
| But alt on a Windows keyboard layout and and command on a
| Mac keyboard layout are the same key location, so I don't
| understand how you can be confused by this... maybe stop
| looking at the keyboard?
| xenomachina wrote:
| The bigger issue is that command-tab switches between
| apps, not windows, and command-` switches between windows
| in the same app, and neither work across spaces.
|
| I ended up installing https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/
| which adds a keystroke that will cycle through all
| windows in all apps on all spaces. It's a huge
| improvement.
| eitland wrote:
| Mac differs between switching windows and applications.
|
| So if you work in an IDE, keep reading docs in one
| Firefox window and test your application in another
| Firefox window then in KDE or XFCE or another sane
| windowing system[1] - even Windows - you just use alt -
| tab.
|
| On Mac you have to stop an think: Should I switch to
| another browser Window? Ok, that is CMD - backtick.
| Switch to or from IDE? That is CMD - tab.
|
| Press the wrong combination? Now Cyberduck has entered
| the mix.
|
| [1]:I was about to write Windows or Linux but starting
| with Unity and now also Gnome has copied this to be bug
| comptible with Mac
| RcrdBrt wrote:
| By default GNOME has the same distinction between apps and
| windows and works with the backtick, too. I find it
| comfortable enough once you get used to it. You can do 2
| different things with almost the same command (in terms of
| fingers position). It's only manageable with a US keyboard
| layout though, I give you that.
| bryanlarsen wrote:
| I'm not sure that the grievance is necessarily that Mac
| shortcut keys are better, but it's that what the OP is used
| to. It's a pain to switch.
|
| I'm an Emacs man. Many Emacs shortcut keys suck, but it's
| what I'm used to, so it's what I want.
| boplicity wrote:
| Make your desired windows fullscreen, then swipe side to side
| on the trackpad (3 or 4 fingers) to switch between them
| almost instantly. One of the best features of MacOS, IMO.
| llampx wrote:
| Really nice, unless you have a big-ish screen. It is
| jarring to have the entire screen slide back and forth, and
| of course a bad use of screen real estate.
| 6LLvveMx2koXfwn wrote:
| I struggled with Mac on my M1 Air for about six months then
| donated it to my partner and returned to Fedora on an XPS 13.
| Muscle memory was bad enough but the feeling of being watched
| was worse.
| twarge wrote:
| For me, getting the keybindings right is the killer feature
| Elementary OS provides. Sadly it doesn't actually install on
| any of the old MacBooks I have, so I don't actually use it.
| spindle wrote:
| How old are your MacBooks? It works fine on a pre-Retina 2012
| MacBook Pro.
| johndoughy wrote:
| Couldn't agree more about consistent keyboard shortcuts. It's
| crazy to me that mere copy/paste doesn't have a consistent
| keyboard shortcut across the system (eg terminal uses ctrl-
| shift-c or something). And if copy/paste isn't consistent,
| there's little hope for other shortcuts.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Ctrl-C is a break signal. When you're in the UI, ctrl-c,
| ctrl-x, and ctrl-v work like you would expect.
|
| How do you send a break on a mac terminal? I didn't think it
| was any different.
| spindle wrote:
| best comment ever (well, to be more precise, best consumer
| software comment ever)
| spindle wrote:
| Why doesn't someone use kmonad or libinput or something to make
| a utility that holds a database of the most-used applications
| and, whenever the user focuses a window, remaps the keyboard to
| some set of consistent system-wide bindings?
|
| I don't think that exists, does it? EXWM comes close, but it
| doesn't have the database.
|
| I know, I know, I just said "someone" when I should do it
| myself.
| [deleted]
| askvictor wrote:
| Having recently moved back to Linux (PopOS) from Windows, the
| one biggest annoyance is not being able to configure two-finger
| touchpad swipe to be browser back/forward. This is the default
| in Mac, easily configurable in Windows (perhaps it's the
| default?), and default in ChromeOS. But simply not an option in
| any Linux I've tried. The Epiphany Browser does it, but that
| lacks extension support so is a no-go for me. Any extensions or
| workarounds I've tried only support three-finger swipes.
|
| So, along with consistent keyboard shortcuts, I'd like to add
| consistent and configurable mouse/trackball actions (some apps
| scrollwheel goes up/down, others it zooms, some support pinch
| zoom, some don't).
| _fzslm wrote:
| yup yup yup. i would pack my bags from Mac land and move to
| that distro right away. (if i had adobe too, lol...)
|
| having a global menu interface that presents a uniform
| structure for navigating applications to the end user with sane
| default keyboard shortcuts (but universally configurable) would
| be a -game changer-
|
| it also opens the doors to novel ideas up like Command Palette-
| like UX paradigms. imagine changing the resolution of a graphic
| document with about ten keystrokes, and being able to work so
| seamlessly in all of your apps! it's almost like a universal
| command interface that works in GUI apps... okay, maybe i'm
| getting ahead of myself.
|
| > If I'm ever fabulously wealthy, I already know I'm just going
| to finance an open source fastidious spiritual successor to
| MacOS 10.6
|
| i, for one, root for your financial success ;)
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| The global menubar is such a big thing for me that it's
| tempting to try to maintain forks of various things that
| ensure that global menubars like those in KDE and XFCE
| (w/extension) work properly -- that is, the menubar in the
| app window hides (if present) and in apps that don't have a
| menubar normally (like GNOME stuff) also populate global
| menubars.
| intothemild wrote:
| I think you'd like Gnome.
|
| Im a former Mac person and I really like it. Ticks all the
| boxes you've just said.
| alanwreath wrote:
| Gotta give my love here! Pop OS works well. Coming a severely
| mixed household with Windows 11/10 (for vr and gaming), Max OS X
| (for work), and Linux when not gaming. I recently switched my non
| gaming os on my household computers from Ubuntu to PopOS. I love
| the auto-tiling feature, and it's in support for nvidia cards is
| a very nice touch. I'm also excited to see they are investing in
| Rust development of the frontend. Gonna be an interesting year
| for sure!
| lumost wrote:
| Absolutely love the work system76 is doing. My only regret is
| that I run pop on a Razer rather than one of their machines.
| Hopefully they get their in-house laptops up and running soon :)
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