[HN Gopher] The Life, Death, and Legacy of One Laptop per Child
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       The Life, Death, and Legacy of One Laptop per Child
        
       Author : doener
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2022-01-17 21:40 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ferdowsi wrote:
       | It's interesting to think about OLPC as a precursor to many of
       | the hype-driven internet phenomena that promise utopian gains.
       | It's easy to see similarities in blockchain-mania, the evangelism
       | machines around certain technologies and programming languages,
       | etc...
        
         | Spooky23 wrote:
         | I never thought of it that way, but I did have a few friends
         | who were very enthusiastic about OLPC, and most of them were
         | very interested in Bitcoin.
         | 
         | There's a certain similarity in some of the ideas of libre
         | software, self-improvement, etc.
        
         | Gigachad wrote:
         | Solar roadways and "infinite solar power water bottles" comes
         | to mind. Just absolute rubbish which manages to extract funds
         | from government programs for them to research how to strap a
         | dehumidifier to a bottle and find out it doesn't make any
         | sense.
        
       | blip54321 wrote:
       | I'm a bit skeptical of the thesis of this book.
       | 
       | Moonshot projects usually fail, by definition. OLPC was likely to
       | fail from the beginning. That doesn't mean it wasn't worth
       | trying.
       | 
       | We can -- and should -- diagnose and learn from everything which
       | went wrong. The name -- Charisma Machine -- is fair. It describes
       | what's wrong with a lot of modern MIT: big names, big charisma,
       | and marketing over substance.
       | 
       | On the other hand, for the burn rate (~$12M/year), it seems like
       | it was a worthwhile risk. If it worked as promised, the gains
       | would be in the trillions. If it kinda-worked, the gains would
       | still be high. I gave it maybe 5% odds, and I think that's fair
       | for this type of project.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | I was enamored with this project. How couldn't everyone see this
       | was the key to a marvelous future?
       | 
       | Then I adopted a dog instead, and sort of forgot about it.
        
       | xibalba wrote:
       | MIT Media Lab: "Turning BS into donor $$$ since day one!"
        
         | dang wrote:
         | " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
         | people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something._"
         | 
         | Maybe you don't owe glamorous academic media labs better, but
         | you owe this community better if you're participating in it.
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
       | cpr wrote:
        
       | arbirk wrote:
       | As a child of aid workers (hippie parents) I lived as a kid and
       | teen in southern Africa. I was critical of the OLPC project
       | mainly because it was a closed eco system, but told to shut up.
       | 
       | Poor communities are used to repairing everything that can be
       | repaired and it seemed to me, that giving access to standard pc
       | platforms would be a much better starting point.
        
         | inetknght wrote:
         | A much better starting point would be to make laptops able to
         | be as easily repaired as a normal PC.
        
           | azinman2 wrote:
           | PCs at the time were much more expensive, ran closed source
           | Windows (versus open sourced Linux of OLPC), weren't good
           | ebook readers given their screen technologies, didn't have
           | mesh networking technologies, and a whole host of other
           | things that made the OLPC far more interesting and
           | hypothetically relevant to the problem they were trying to
           | solve.
        
           | ferdowsi wrote:
           | iPhone internals are difficult to repair, but they make up
           | for it with reliability. If OLPC had hit that target they
           | could have been successful but it was basically not
           | achievable for a mid-2000s laptop.
        
             | Gigachad wrote:
             | The iphone isn't actually that hard to repair. If you have
             | the parts and the tools, almost all the parts can be
             | replaced pretty quickly. The problem is a lot of the parts
             | that tend to fail like a screen replacement or water damage
             | to the main board cost as much in parts as the phone is
             | worth. Which in a way makes sense because the screen and
             | main board make up pretty much all the value of the phone.
             | 
             | The nice thing is they have come a very long way in terms
             | of battery replacements. You can get it done by apple for
             | quite cheap and soon you will be able to buy the battery
             | officially.
             | 
             | But improving phone repairability wouldn't really do much
             | for poor communities because it is more economical for them
             | to just buy one of the dirt cheap working phones on the
             | second hand market.
        
         | trhway wrote:
         | absolutely. The OLPC looked like a well intentioned design-by-
         | committee attempt of the first world people to solve the issue
         | of the 3rd world.
         | 
         | >giving access to standard pc platforms would be a much better
         | starting point
         | 
         | i've been in similar situation - end of 198x / start of 199x in
         | Russia where we like the 3rd world were scrambling into
         | computerization, and the standard PC platform with easy
         | swappable/upgradeable components was the key here to the extent
         | that even slightly non-standard brand-name PCs like Compaq/etc.
         | were shunned away because the even so slightly customizations
         | they had to their case, PSU, high-end adapters with custom
         | drivers, custom usually non-upgradeable motherboards, etc. were
         | making them practically feasible only to very rich
         | companies/people.
        
       | azinman2 wrote:
       | I haven't read this new book. But I was at the Media Lab when all
       | of this was going on (without directly working on it). Reading
       | the reviews of this book, all I can say is if "scholars" ran this
       | world, nothing would be done. Inaction is far easier than action,
       | and no one has all the answers before big leaps are taken (and
       | this was an insanely ambitious project). I also say that as a fan
       | of some of the reviewers.
       | 
       | No doubt mistakes were made, and likely some where called out
       | back then (including critiques I did hear at the time). But it's
       | also a very different world in 2022, where things like cell
       | phones and Facebook have taken over the planet... I hope the book
       | contextualizes this.
        
         | zestyping wrote:
         | > if "scholars" ran this world, nothing would be done. Inaction
         | is far easier than action, and no one has all the answers
         | before big leaps are taken
         | 
         | Do you mean to defend the OLPC folks as action-takers, or
         | criticize them as scholars?
        
           | emmelaich wrote:
           | Surely defend.
        
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