[HN Gopher] Personal calculator has key to solve any equation f(...
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       Personal calculator has key to solve any equation f(x)=0 (1979)
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       Author : todsacerdoti
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2022-01-17 06:55 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | mauricioc wrote:
       | There's a very long interview with Kahan on ACM's YouTube
       | channel. Here's a link to the part where he talks about the
       | "Solve" button: https://youtu.be/smrs6FfnCzs?t=8670
        
       | mikecarlton wrote:
       | Check out the author. For those not in the know, Kahan was the
       | driving architect behind IEEE 754 -- pretty much the basis of all
       | computer floating point now. See
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kahan
       | 
       | I remember seminars at Berkeley where equipment manufactures show
       | up to talk about their gear and Kahan would sit in the front row
       | and grill them over their floating point implementations.
        
         | antman wrote:
         | So that is where Kahan summation algorthm comes from!
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahan_summation_algorithm
        
       | tagoregrtst wrote:
       | When you watch Sussman and Steele give the MIT 6001 course the
       | audience are seasoned HP calculator guys and gals
       | 
       | These must be the team who were designing the HP-28S and user rpl
       | - the beautiful love child of Forth and Lisp.
       | 
       | And what a calculator they put out!
        
         | whartung wrote:
         | RPL is just magic. It's really fun to work with.
         | 
         | It's hard to appreciate what you're holding in your hand when
         | you have one of these machines. When I learned the 48s had both
         | Kermit and a serial port, the clouds parted and the sun came
         | out. Really extraordinary capability in a $99 calculator.
         | 
         | Always liked the form factor of the 28s, just needed a way to
         | get code on and off (besides the printer port) of them.
        
           | tagoregrtst wrote:
           | And a better battery port. Also, dont confuse A23 batteries
           | for N.
           | 
           | But ya, i always like the 28 more than the 48.
           | 
           | Have you heard of RPL/2? A modern implementation of RPL meant
           | for scientific computing? Its annoying to compile but its
           | quite nice!
        
       | bluenose69 wrote:
       | I had one of these way back when, and loved it.
       | 
       | This is a great article, and reading it might give younger folks
       | an idea of why HP users from the 1900s loved their calculators so
       | much. They were designed for people who needed to get things
       | done. And it wasn't just the algorithms inside. The physical
       | machines were terrific, too. The pivoting keys left no doubt as
       | to whether you had entered a digit (or whether, as in
       | competitors' machines, the keystroke had entered the digit twice
       | by mistake). And then there's RPN. Oh, lovely RPN -- trusty
       | friend to those who needed correct answers and needed them in a
       | rush.
       | 
       | Such elegance (of machines and writing) is rare nowadays.
       | 
       | Thanks for posting this, which brought back good memories.
        
         | madengr wrote:
         | People from 2020 still love the too, ha ha. I have several 35s
         | at work and just got a Swiss Micros DM42 from xmas. Then again,
         | I'm 50 and used these all through EE school and my profession.
         | I have four 32sii still sealed in clamshell package. Went out
         | and bought a bunch years ago when they discontinued them.
         | 
         | https://www.swissmicros.com/product/dm42
        
       | buescher wrote:
       | I didn't realize at the time how much I learned from my HP-15c
       | manual, which had a similar treatment of its numerical
       | algorithms. Thanks HP!
        
         | jcrawfordor wrote:
         | Some years ago I bought a printing desk calculator. The
         | manufacturer apparently wanted to minimize their translation
         | bill for the manual, so it almost completely avoided any
         | textual explanation, instead illustrating how to use all of the
         | functions by showing number lines with arrows and the
         | corresponding calculator buttons. At first it was frustrating
         | but after getting used to it I actually thought it was pretty
         | neat, as it encouraged a more intuitive understanding of
         | exactly what the calculator buttons did.
         | 
         | Relatedly I learned a whole lot of algebra from reading a slide
         | rule manual. I don't think I had a good intuitive understanding
         | of logarithms until I saw them as pictures with arrows showing
         | how they work on the slide rule. And then the manual was full
         | of practical ways to reduce various common math problems to
         | problems that are easy to solve with the slide rule, usually by
         | figuring out how to express them as powers or logarithms.
        
           | ahmedfromtunis wrote:
           | I'm really interested in reading these manuals. Do you recall
           | what were they for?
        
             | jcrawfordor wrote:
             | For the former I unfortunately cannot find a copy and I
             | don't have the calculator any more... my hazy recollection
             | is that it was a Panasonic printing desk calculator I
             | bought at Staples but that could be wrong. Fwiw the newer
             | desk calculators seem to all have pretty bad keypads so if
             | you want a calculator that's really comfortable to use for
             | fast totaling you might want to get a "vintage" one from
             | when they were using mechanical key switches. Part of the
             | reason I got rid of the one I had is because I was having
             | issues with it not always registering keypresses when I
             | thought it would have.
             | 
             | As for the slide rule, I believe it was a Pickett booklet,
             | likely one of the ones that have fortunately been archived
             | here:
             | https://www.sliderulemuseum.com/SR_Library_Pickett.htm
             | 
             | The Asimov slide rule book is also very good and I have a
             | copy. I believe I inherited it, along with several slide
             | rules, from my grandfather who had been an EE at the NIST
             | and also fastidiously kept a lot of things he had bought
             | for grad school. One of the slide rules has "US Government
             | Property" silkscreened on with the scales which is fairly
             | neat, I assume DoD or someone had had a large number made
             | on contract like they used to do with office supplies. I
             | also have a US Government Property set of drafting tools
             | that I use when hand-drafting sewing patterns.
        
             | pjmorris wrote:
             | I had a similar experience with slide rule books I checked
             | out from the public library in the 1970s. Looking on Amazon
             | now, I see 'An Easy Introduction to the Slide Rule' by none
             | other than Issac Asimov. It's entirely possible that this
             | is the book I used, and I think it might fit your bill.
        
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