[HN Gopher] When my wife developed Alzheimer's, the story of our...
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       When my wife developed Alzheimer's, the story of our marriage kept
       us connected
        
       Author : rmbryan
       Score  : 295 points
       Date   : 2022-01-19 12:46 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | mastazi wrote:
       | The page is currently down but it's archived here
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220119171102/https://thewalrus...
        
       | ncmncm wrote:
       | This may be a good place to mention that a huge study [0]
       | conducted over 6 years with tens of thousands of US Veterans
       | Administration patients found that having a recent Tdap
       | vaccination predicted a 40% lower incidence of dementia. This was
       | confirmed with an independent cohort.
       | 
       | You hardly need any reason to go get your Tdap booster. Any faint
       | possibility that it might stave off dementia ought to be enough
       | by itself. Get your shingles vaccine, too, while you're there.
       | And, get prescribed some valacyclovir: studies in Asia have shown
       | that had a desirable effect, with no risk.
       | 
       | [0] doi:10.1093/gerona/glab115, https://sci-
       | hub.se/10.1093/gerona/glab115
        
       | gioele wrote:
       | Related to this topic (spouse with Alzheimer), there is a
       | touching story by Alice Munro: "The Bear Came Over the Mountain",
       | the closing story of the book "Hateship, Friendship, Courtship,
       | Loveship, Marriage".
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Having such a marriage in this day and age is truly a luxury,
       | reserved only for the deepest of lovers.
        
         | aantix wrote:
         | Deep love is practiced, not an accident.
         | 
         | I've found that when I'm honest about my feelings, even the
         | messy ones, honest about my thoughts, even if they don't paint
         | me in a good light, my spouse hears me and eventually, accepts
         | me. And it makes me fall in love all over again.
         | 
         | It frees up my consciousness. I don't have to do the mental
         | dance of "oh, you can say this, but don't say that. Say it this
         | way, not that way. Don't mention this."
         | 
         | And I have to do my best to afford her the same.
         | 
         | You have the choice of either a 10 minute, awkward
         | conversation, putting everything in on the table. But having
         | your conscious cleared. Zero parallel threads running in the
         | back of your mind. :)
         | 
         | Or keep these thoughts in the back of your head for
         | months/years, where you expend mental energy suppressing them,
         | sacrificing your creativity, closeness, and vitality. You'll
         | find yourself getting mad at seemingly superficial stuff when
         | the honest truth is because you're seething or ashamed or
         | afraid, with so much to say.
         | 
         | Your choice. Choose the courageous path. Surrender the outcome.
         | 
         | - _Learning to Speak the Microscopic Truth_
         | 
         | https://hendricks.com/newwp/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Micro...
         | 
         | - _Great story from Michael Brody, SAAS entrepreneur, ex-
         | addict_
         | 
         | (1. Practice Rigorous Authenticity, 2. Surrender the Outcome,
         | 3. Do the Uncomfortable Work)
         | 
         | https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_brody_waite_great_leaders_...
        
           | aantix wrote:
           | "When a person realizes they have been deeply heard, their
           | eyes moisten. I think in some real sense they are weeping for
           | joy. It is as though they were saying, "Thank God, somebody
           | heard me. Someone knows what it's like to be me."
           | 
           | -- Carl R. Rogers
        
           | nvarsj wrote:
           | But what you describe _is_ rare like the OP points out. For
           | two people to be so honest and open and direct with each
           | other requires large amounts of maturity and mutual respect
           | and selflessness. Which, to be honest, is rare enough in a
           | single human these days, let alone two that manage to find
           | themselves together. If you have that, I'm truly envious.
        
             | aantix wrote:
             | I was addressing this statement from OP
             | 
             | >reserved only for the deepest of lovers
             | 
             | For some reason I interpreted this as deep love being
             | random. Maybe that wasn't the intent, after re-reading it.
             | 
             | Just wanted to demonstrate what had worked for me to
             | rekindle intimacy. And that it was teachable.
             | 
             | The book "Conscious Loving" by Gay and Kaitlyn Hendricks is
             | the book that talks about telling the Microscopic Truth.
             | It's helped me tremendously.
             | 
             | I enjoy their newsletter a lot. They discuss in detail many
             | of the concepts in their books. And it's free.
             | 
             | Relevant to this conversation -
             | 
             |  _Here 's Why Sharing Your Emotions - Even The Messy, Angry
             | Ones - Is Critical For A Great, Intimate Relationship_
             | 
             | https://www.heartsintrueharmony.com/m/email/ar/truth-our-
             | emo...
        
           | granshaw wrote:
           | Be honest about your feelings, but still strive to be
           | deserving of her, that's what I try to practice :)
        
           | chillacy wrote:
           | > - Learning to Speak the Microscopic Truth
           | 
           | I first encountered this idea from the Conscious Leadership
           | Group (Gay Hendricks works with them), and now I can't help
           | but notice that it seems to apply to HN comments (and the
           | result of a given thread), as choices in the words and
           | grammar of each statement.
        
             | aantix wrote:
             | Jealous that you've got to attend one of their groups.
             | That's so awesome.
             | 
             | Their work has helped my second marriage to be 10x what my
             | first one was.
             | 
             | Them teaching me to tell the difficult truths was a big
             | part of that.
        
           | bongothrowaway wrote:
           | Hear, hear. I've found the same. Love, like any sort of
           | relationship, takes work and compromise, but when you do it
           | with honesty and candidly, it grows far more easily.
        
         | whateveracct wrote:
         | It takes GUTS to be in love
        
         | mbg721 wrote:
         | It's still possible. There are plenty of religions that insist
         | it should be the default among marriages.
        
           | iancmceachern wrote:
           | Religion has nothing to do with it.
        
             | mbg721 wrote:
             | It can have something to do with it, although it doesn't
             | have to.
        
         | elzbardico wrote:
         | I wonder why people downvoted you. Maybe they don't agree and
         | it is fine, but why try to silence?
        
           | coldpie wrote:
           | I didn't downvote, but I always find "this day and age" kind
           | of sentiments extremely eye-rolly, like things were better in
           | some mythic past.
        
             | microtherion wrote:
             | Right. The comment implies that this kind of emotional
             | commitment used to be the norm, which is very much a
             | [citation needed] kind of claim.
             | 
             | A bit of family lore had it that when some distant
             | ancestors of mine no longer could live independently in old
             | age, one child took in the husband to live with them, and
             | another child, quite distant from the first one, the wife.
             | My mother, upon learning of that arrangement, exclaimed how
             | hard it must have been for that couple to be separated in
             | their final years, only to hear "Quite the opposite! They
             | couldn't stand each other for the longest time."
        
             | keiferski wrote:
             | Unless you think that things are _always_ getting better,
             | it is necessarily implied that _some_ things were better in
             | the past.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | coldpie wrote:
               | Compare these two sentences:
               | 
               | > Having such a marriage in this day and age is truly a
               | luxury, reserved only for the deepest of lovers.
               | 
               | > Having such a marriage is truly a luxury, reserved only
               | for the deepest of lovers.
               | 
               | One contains a positive claim that something is worse now
               | than it was before, which I think invites dispute and is
               | entirely unnecessary anyway. It's a fine sentiment
               | without the judgement.
        
             | mlyle wrote:
             | > like things were better in some mythic past.
             | 
             | It doesn't need to mean this.
             | 
             | We've got so much choice in how we structure our lives now.
             | 
             | Choice mostly makes things better. Lots of bad outcomes
             | become less prevalent.
             | 
             | But some good outcomes become harder to find, and one can
             | rationally have nostalgia for them.
        
             | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
             | _> I always find  "this day and age" kind of sentiments
             | extremely eye-rolly, like things were better in some mythic
             | past._
             | 
             | I've encountered this sentiment, several times, lately. In
             | my experience, _any_ mention of a time before now,
             | especially, when they find out that I am  "chronologically-
             | challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me about the 'good old
             | days,' Grandpa!".
             | 
             | This day and age, seems to have established a culture of
             | real, nasty, institutionalized, anger at previous
             | generations. It is unlike what I experienced. Younger folks
             | have railed against their seniors for all of human history,
             | but now, it's _personal_.
             | 
             | I think I understand where a lot of the anger comes from.
             | My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has exhibited
             | almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness. I'm pretty
             | pissed, and I'm one of them.
             | 
             | But that ain't me. I have lived a long-ish life, and have
             | developed a lot of experience and PoV, as a result. I'm a
             | kind, unselfish person, looking forward to the future, and
             | making the world a better place, for my having lived in it.
             | Not all that is old, is bad. Much is not _directly_
             | applicable to today 's world, but should not be discarded,
             | wholesale. In many cases, only minor adjustments need to be
             | done, in order to make a viewpoint, technique, or
             | philosophy applicable to today's world.
             | 
             | The story is a heart-wrenching one. I have many peers,
             | experiencing a lot of these types of things (One of the
             | things that happens, as we age). Not all of them are
             | handling it as well as the author.
             | 
             | I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but _all_ of us are
             | destined to become  "boomers." Every. Single. One. Of. Us.
             | No exceptions. The alternative kind of sucks. One day, we
             | will all be where I am. That is what makes ageism so crazy.
             | 
             | I have been around long enough to watch some folks hoist by
             | their own petard (a classic saying, BTW). They established
             | a corporate culture, that eventually excluded them.
             | 
             | https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-
             | briefly...
        
               | coldpie wrote:
               | > In my experience, any mention of a time before now,
               | especially, when they find out that I am
               | "chronologically-challenged," is met by a "Don't tell me
               | about the 'good old days,' Grandpa!".
               | 
               | > My generation has caused a lot of damage, and has
               | exhibited almost awe-inspiring levels of selfishness.
               | 
               | With respect, I think some self-reflection may be in
               | order.
        
               | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
               | Actually, that is not "with respect."
               | 
               | And you have _no idea_ how much self-reflection is a
               | fundamental aspect of my life. I challenge you to match
               | it.
        
               | coldpie wrote:
               | I don't really want to turn the comments section of this
               | lovely article into rancor, but yeah, I'm really tired of
               | hearing about the "good old days" from those who gave us
               | the current day; from those who refuse to cede power to
               | us who will actually be here when shxt hits the fan so we
               | can start the long, heavy work of fixing the problems
               | that were created to give you those "good old days"; we
               | who are trying to make-do in a world where those who
               | enjoyed those "good old days" are hoarding every last
               | resource; so those who loved those "good old days" can
               | then come in here and tell us our _love_ isn 't even good
               | enough? Come on, man. Your "good old days" came at the
               | cost we're paying now. Give us a break and let us at
               | least try to enjoy what you've left us rather than rub
               | our noses in how good you had it.
               | 
               | Gah.
               | 
               | I apologize for this dumb thing aimed at you. I know it's
               | not your fault. But I think this is what you're coming up
               | against when people tell you not to tell them about the
               | good old days.
        
               | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
               | I agree. I really understand this. I even mentioned it in
               | my comment. I have a rather ... _out-of-band_ ... life
               | story for this venue. I didn 't dance to this age. I was
               | dragged, kicking and screaming, and holding onto the door
               | jams. Frankly, I'm amazed that I'm here, every day.
               | 
               | My past is not really something I want to go back to,
               | thank you very much. I prefer looking forward.
               | 
               | I also don't want it to be rancor. If you look at my
               | commenting history, here, you will find very, very
               | little, and what you do find, will be fairly mild. I'm a
               | reformed troll, and feel that I must atone for being an
               | arsehole of the first water, for many years. I know that
               | I come across as "stuffy," but believe me, when I tell
               | you, that the alternative is not pleasant.
               | 
               | But it is also important to understand that every person
               | is an individual. This is something that I have to
               | struggle with, every single day. It's very easy for me to
               | be intellectually lazy, and dismiss whole swaths of
               | people, simply because they tick one box of many.
               | 
               | I have fast friends, that I would never have had, if I
               | had insisted that they meet my litmus tests. I won't
               | engage them on certain topics, but I know that we have a
               | great deal of mutual respect.
               | 
               | I participate in a community, that is ... _eclectic_. Its
               | members are quite varied, and we have learned to put
               | aside our differences in pursuit of a common goal. I
               | really wish that the world ran this way, but it 's
               | difficult work. Really humbling, but also extremely
               | rewarding. A central tenet is to be of Service. I like to
               | think that I've done OK, here.
               | 
               | The article was written by an old dude that has been
               | dragged through hell, but has also managed to do well for
               | himself and his wife.
               | 
               | Believe it or not, I hear stories like this almost daily.
               | Very few ever make it into the mainstream, and I am a
               | truly privileged person to hear them.
               | 
               | Not all that is old is bad. Not all that is new, is good.
               | The world has been damaged for a long time, and no one of
               | us can fix it all, so we do our part to police our area.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIAhVV9-85c
        
           | tokai wrote:
           | It's a shallow comment that doesn't add anything of value.
        
           | mpmpmpmp wrote:
           | The word luxury in this context usually implies some kind of
           | privilege. Which is a strange thing to say.
        
             | frenchy wrote:
             | To be fair, it is a bit of a privilege. Like most things,
             | it requires a lot of work too, but people learn humility
             | and kindness from each other. Those who grow up with loving
             | parents are a lot more likely to become loving parents.
        
           | JohnWhigham wrote:
           | Bitter divorcees probably. Having a marriage like that is a
           | luxury though. Let's be honest: marriage is _not_ the same as
           | it was 40-80 years ago, and that 's because society is not
           | the same it was. Long term commitment to your spouse seems to
           | be an idea left to the past now.
        
             | SketchySeaBeast wrote:
             | "Long term commitment" isn't a luxury though, it's
             | dedicated effort on the part of both spouses.
        
               | sam0x17 wrote:
               | OP's economic argument is pretty sound. 40-50 years ago
               | you could buy a new house, get a solid blue collar job
               | with a pension, and watch your house 5x in value over the
               | next 50 years. Makes it very, very easy to settle down
               | with someone and start a family.
               | 
               | In today's economy, even for the relatively well-off,
               | home ownership is essentially a pipe-dream and it is much
               | harder to put down roots of any kind.
               | 
               | The second the marriage becomes hard, it's a lot easier
               | to break a lease than it is to break a mortgage.
        
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       | Shamii wrote:
       | My grandpa had dementia due to his age.
       | 
       | When I visited him for the last time he knew who I was.
       | 
       | But he clearly repeated very similar behavior patterns.
       | 
       | He also showed clear signs of not remembering 'state'. Like time
       | or location.
       | 
       | It was very hard for me because that gave me the feeling that he
       | as a person was gone.
       | 
       | I cried after that for a while and it was basically me saying
       | good bye .
       | 
       | My sister didn't see it like that. She didn't mind doing a
       | sleepover and having her daughter with her. My mother also
       | glanced over that. My other sister agreed on my thoughts.
       | 
       | I liked that she didn't see it like that and spend time with him
       | but I could not do that.
       | 
       | Of course I might be wrong. I don't assume I know how he thought
       | but what else to assume?
       | 
       | I don't think I could do that if my wife started to show similar
       | pattern.
        
       | baskethead wrote:
       | It's a lovely story, but quite honestly, Alzheimer's/dementia is
       | a shitshow. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and there are
       | many people I despise. There is nothing crueler than dementia.
       | 
       | My mom is suffering through dementia right now. We did something
       | similar. We made photo albums, and went through them every day,
       | until my mom stopped responding to them. Within a couple of
       | years, she forgot who we were, or she would mix up my sister for
       | her sister.
       | 
       | After 7 years from her diagnosis, she no longer talks and she no
       | longer responds to me. My sister is taking full time care of her,
       | and she is cleaning her several times a day because she's
       | incontinent. My mom recently has stopped swallowing. She also
       | seems to have contracted a mild case of COVID, and my sister has
       | been self-flagellating herself because she felt guilty about it.
       | I of course told my sister there's no reason to feel guilty,
       | everyone is getting it and it's something everyone will deal
       | with, especially my mom. I secretly wish it would take my mom's
       | life to end her misery.
       | 
       | The worst part in the first few years were her lucid moments.
       | During one of those moments she wrote a letter to God, asking to
       | die, because she knew something was wrong but she didn't know
       | what. We found the letter hidden in her dresser. Every time I
       | think about it, I burst out in tears, even now. It's disgustingly
       | cruel for someone who spend her entire life sacrificing her life
       | for her kids and family, and asking nothing else.
       | 
       | So when articles like this come out, it is extremely difficult to
       | contain my contempt at any stories that don't paint the picture
       | exactly how it is: a complete and utter shitshow. It's unfair for
       | the victim and it's unfair for the caretakers. And it's extremely
       | expensive and almost impossible to keep your loved one living in
       | a modicum of dignity.
        
         | supperburg wrote:
         | Your contempt is absolutely justified. I went through something
         | similar myself. These people, who have absolutely no voice, are
         | the victims of the virtue signaling, moral crusading army of
         | idiots who are very happy to tell people like us that it's
         | wrong to want to die or to help someone to die. They sell today
         | for tomorrow. They trade in the suffering of thousands so that
         | they don't have to confront reality or say something
         | unbecoming. It's truly infuriating because this results in real
         | and profound suffering. When someone is in need of death, and
         | is writing letters to god for a merciful death, what
         | societal/cultural mechanisms are there to fall on? None! It's a
         | fucking disgrace and a stain on the human race that such
         | conditions are allowed to go on. Truly on a stain on us.
         | 
         | It just boggles my mind that the moral crusaders scream
         | endlessly about ending the suffering of these people or those
         | people... and yet they do nothing to end the suffering of
         | millions who are right in their back yard and who's suffering
         | can be ended relatively quickly and easily through very simple
         | legislation, awareness and education. It's the lowest hanging
         | fruit and yet it goes unpicked.
         | 
         | And there is a large skilled nursing industry that is very
         | happy to profit from it all...
        
         | Baeocystin wrote:
         | My mother went through the same, and my feelings echo your own.
         | 
         | There is absolutely nothing good about losing a loved one to
         | dementia. It is constant pain, for years.
         | 
         | I still remember the first time my Mom flinched in fear as I
         | went to give her a hug, as she didn't recognize me. Her
         | greatest fear was losing her mind, and it happened, and there
         | was nothing any of us could do about it. It was a mercy when
         | her body passed, as everything she was had died, inch by
         | inevitable inch, years before. It was cruel, horrible,
         | everything.
        
       | arrty88 wrote:
       | Please look at the new treatment options in clinical trials.
       | 
       | https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scott-whitt-9b1261_cassava-sc...
        
       | debdut wrote:
       | You made me smile today :)
        
       | smoyer wrote:
       | For those of you who are younger and perhaps haven't experienced
       | it, forget the movie version of true love. This story is a much
       | better example - it's imperfect, illogical, sometimes downright
       | gritty and yet it persists (with bouquets of flowers spread
       | throughout).
        
         | kgin wrote:
         | It's beautiful to read even as someone older who hasn't
         | experienced it. I'm terribly jealous.
        
       | srvmshr wrote:
       | > It's hard to accept the possibility that Judy may have
       | completely forgotten about me, but a lifetime of living with
       | disability has shown me how delicate human bodies and minds can
       | be, how little it can take to dramatically, traumatically alter--
       | or end--lives. Two rogue bones in my neck. Plaque on my beloved's
       | brain. Great love stories begin with such heady promise and end
       | with such sadness and grief--but, at least in my case, also with
       | memories of immense joy throughout a muscular marriage of two
       | strong, supportive partners with challenges aplenty.
       | 
       | So poignantly expressed. I am usually skeptical of 'true love',
       | but these kind of stories remind me I could be so utterly wrong.
       | It is rare to find people as committed to each other as Judy &
       | Steve.
        
         | nefitty wrote:
         | I love my wife a lot. She's like my shadow, evidence that the
         | sun is in the sky.
         | 
         | If she got really sick I would stay with her and care for her.
         | A huge chunk of that is because I'm attached to her, the little
         | human pattern that the universe mumbles out. The other mind
         | that looks at me and convinces me I actually exist.
         | 
         | I personally think it's irresponsible to set up these weird
         | transcendental expectations. If anyone reading this has yet to
         | fall in love or be in a long term relationship, it's all
         | flowery and cute and lovey at first and then one day you fart
         | for the first time in front of her. There's like, non-
         | subjectively evident demands that you agree to impose on
         | yourself when becoming a union. Physical. Social. Emotional.
         | 
         | I would not leave my wife if her mind was gone. Besides my
         | irrational human attachment, I can't imagine putting my family,
         | her family, our friends, through the experience of seeing her
         | be abandoned by her life partner. Of having them experience
         | evil unmask itself through the act of relegating her to a meat
         | body, which we all are.
         | 
         | I don't know why I felt such a strong urge to express my
         | cynicism. I don't believe in souls, I guess is part of it. I
         | also don't like when people get hyped into expecting the
         | universe from others. My wife loves me deeply, I feel it when
         | she randomly puts her head on my shoulder or I catch her
         | staring at me. She would also yell at me in embarrassment if I
         | farted loudly next to her at the grocery store.
        
           | srvmshr wrote:
           | Very well put. My remark about 'true love' was this exact
           | cynicism. And like you, I mirror the exact same feelings for
           | my wife. The Mills & Boone type of romances do not exist in
           | real life. Deep love is crafted incrementally each day of
           | being together, like an old oak tree sinking its roots ever
           | deeper.
           | 
           | It is perhaps the gravitas and wordsmanship which makes the
           | author's story remarkable. It exposed us to his thought
           | process, and the minutae of his feelings. As a thinking
           | species, we perhaps appreciate this expressivity. These
           | adversities are more common than depicted & many couples with
           | disabilities do share meaningful time together.
        
             | nefitty wrote:
             | Yes for sure. I hope I did not diminish those experiences.
             | It is really awesome to be in love. I understand its sway.
             | 
             | I appreciate how we almost reflexively communicate about
             | those emotions in bits of poetry. They splay out in so many
             | directions, it's like we're picking fruits from an orchard
             | and showing each other what we discover. It's really nice
             | to get to be in the orchard.
        
           | gernb wrote:
           | My 1st girlfriend's mom told me "never marry someone you
           | can't fart in front of". My sister easily farts (and laughs)
           | in front of her husband. In fact for Christmas he was given a
           | plaque that says "I didn't fart, my ass blew you a kiss"
        
             | nefitty wrote:
             | Hahaha that's the true love they don't make Disney movies
             | about
        
           | diskzero wrote:
           | My wife was diagnosed with lymphoma and brain cancer last
           | December and passed this October. I watched her weaken,
           | spring back when a therapy worked, descend into near death
           | when a therapy failed and eventually see her mind and body
           | destroyed by cancer. I hated the illness, the workload, the
           | stress and then unending anxiety of knowing there was little
           | chance of a recovery.
           | 
           | I never thought of leaving or not caring for her, just as I
           | am sure she would have never left me if I was in the same
           | situation. Was this because of a deep love, a result of
           | thirty years spent building a life and habits together, civic
           | and marital duty or some combination of all of these? The
           | thought of not caring for someone in her situation so close
           | to me is anathema.
           | 
           | Concerning diseases that reduce ones mental acuity; every
           | time she would lose the ability to speak or understand, it
           | was crushing. She would often regain some functionality, but
           | each time something was lost. In her final days, she would
           | sometimes regain consciousness and speak to me, but couldn't
           | understand what she was saying. This is/was one of the most
           | distressing things for me to experience. I often sit and
           | wonder what it was she wanted to tell me and how I will never
           | know.
        
             | testfoobar wrote:
             | I am sorry for your loss.
        
             | nefitty wrote:
             | Jesus. There's no words. My heart breaks.
             | 
             | Thank you for giving us your thoughts. I hope to live up to
             | the standard you set with the clearly towering love you
             | shared with your wife. I'm dumb, young, unwise so I'll dare
             | to presume: I am certain she would have told you how
             | important you are to her, how much she loves you and how
             | thankful she was that you shared your life with her.
             | 
             | Sorry, I try not to be emotional. Especially on a forum
             | like HN where rationality and clarity of thought seem to be
             | the M.O. Its impossible to imagine what you've gone through
             | and what you're going through. I send you a huge, digital,
             | hairy man hug my dude.
        
               | diskzero wrote:
               | Thanks for the insight. I like to think that you are
               | right!
               | 
               | Thanks for the hug. It is much appreciated.
        
         | pomian wrote:
         | I do not believe it is rare. I think that it is the same with
         | bad news and tragedy, the news reports only those. Behind all
         | the sad stories, the frustrated stories, and everything else
         | that is loud, there is a quiet passion that supports the world.
         | It quietly goes on, without disturbing the neighbors, or making
         | headlines. It's not easy, it's not painful, but it perseveres.
         | All around you. In the background.
        
           | dijonman2 wrote:
           | I have heard about a man who remained unmarried his whole
           | life, and when he was dying, ninety years old, somebody asked
           | him, "You have remained unmarried your whole life, but you
           | have never said what the reason was. Now you are dying, at
           | least quench our curiosity. If there is any secret, now you
           | can tell it, because you are dying; you will be gone. Even if
           | the secret is known, it can't harm you." The man said, "Yes,
           | there is a secret. It is not that I am against marriage, but
           | I was searching for a perfect woman. I searched and searched,
           | and my whole life slipped by." The inquirer asked, "But upon
           | this big earth, so many millions of people, half of them
           | women, couldn't you find one perfect woman?" A tear rolled
           | down from the eye of the dying man. He said, "Yes, I did find
           | one." The inquirer was absolutely shocked. He said, "Then
           | what happened? Why didn't you get married?" And the old man
           | said, "But the woman was searching for a perfect husband."
           | 
           | Osho - The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha
        
             | arcticfox wrote:
             | Osho is just relating a fable here, but I love that guy's
             | way with words. No surprise that his cult community
             | (Rajneeshpuram) was a massive (albeit short-lived) success
             | in my home state, he's just so fascinating to listen to. If
             | anyone is curious, there are a lot of videos of him on
             | Youtube.
             | 
             | From Wiki:
             | 
             | > Ultimately though, as an explicitly "self-parodying"
             | guru, Rajneesh even deconstructed his own authority,
             | declaring his teaching to be nothing more than a "game" or
             | a joke.
             | 
             | Perhaps that's why, as an atheist, I find him so
             | fascinating - he covers a lot of genuinely useful and
             | interesting ground (meditation, philosophy) while never
             | seeming to take it too seriously.
        
           | jborichevskiy wrote:
           | Beautifully put :) the background radiation of love
        
           | rxhernandez wrote:
           | I think the divorce rate starkly points in a different
           | direction.
        
             | NineStarPoint wrote:
             | There is no doubt that bad marriages are common. That
             | doesn't mean that true love is rare though. The question of
             | how many of the marriages that do stay together are good
             | marriages is somewhat separate.
        
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         | spoonjim wrote:
         | True love exists, but it's something that's made, not found.
        
         | S_A_P wrote:
         | True love is something that takes work. Sure some people mesh
         | better than others, and if you picked your mate mostly on
         | aesthetics you may realize that having someone you like to look
         | at is not the way to sustain a multi decade relationship. I
         | think when it comes to a partner, you have to just decide that
         | you are always willing to meet them where they are. Its not
         | always where you want them to be either. The flipside of course
         | is that your partner should feel the same way and be willing to
         | endure your ups and downs
        
           | wnolens wrote:
           | > you have to just decide that you are always willing to meet
           | them where they are. Its not always where you want them to be
           | 
           | Wise, thanks. That very concisely captures what I've been
           | coming around to understanding about having relationships
           | with anyone. I've had it easy with best friends that were so
           | similar (because we grew up together), but life is long(ish)
           | and people change and grow apart. Even if you have a a
           | relationship that is on easy-mode, it will change for a
           | sufficiently long time-horizon (marriage).
        
       | mrpf1ster wrote:
       | I guess I'm gonna be a little teary eyed this morning. Fantastic
       | writing.
        
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