[HN Gopher] Show HN: Hebrew Wordle ___________________________________________________________________ Show HN: Hebrew Wordle Author : puttycat Score : 112 points Date : 2022-01-19 13:00 UTC (10 hours ago) (HTM) web link (wordleheb.web.app) (TXT) w3m dump (wordleheb.web.app) | fnord123 wrote: | What is wordle? | doublerabbit wrote: | Guess a five letter word in less than six tries. Word resets | every day. | | https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/ | onionisafruit wrote: | Thanks for the link. I had previously seen wordle mentioned | on hn and sought it out on apple's app store. I ended up with | a much different game - one that I didn't enjoy at all. Now I | see the real wordle is much more interesting. | | I googled and found[1] that I'm far from the only one. | | [1] https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2022-01-17-dev- | behind-5-y... | moron4hire wrote: | I work for a foreign language training company. I bet all of | these versions in different languages would be really great tools | for our students. Has anyone already started one of those | "Awesome XYZ" lists on Github for all of them? | sprak wrote: | Here is a swedish version: https://ordlek.github.io/ordlek/ | | (I haven't translated the ui yet, will do later this week.) | fpopa wrote: | We've also got romanian now: | https://cuvantul.github.io/cuvantul | sprak wrote: | That was quick. I'm very impressed with your work. | fpopa wrote: | I feel like you did most of the work :) | unwind wrote: | Looks very nice! | | I found a typo in the first line of the initial help pop-up: | | _Gissa dagens ord pa sex pa forsok!_ | | Should of course drop the duplicated "pa". Also, it was | annoyingly hard to copy-paste that line since the pop-up closes | whenever I try. :) | 3np wrote: | Also, from Sweclockers forum (: | | https://ordlig.se/ | diffuse_l wrote: | Cool, much easier for me than the English version. | | It could be nice to treat ending letters the same as regular | letters (on the keyboard), similar to the way crosswords work in | Hebrew. | b3orn wrote: | I made a french version last weekend https://motle.fac3.org | sprak wrote: | On my phone the colours of the letters in the keyboard didn't | upgrade from yellow to green. Great otherwise! | mabub24 wrote: | Very cool, I was able to get the word after 3 guesses. I guess | learning French has actually been paying off for me! | julienchastang wrote: | There is also https://wordle.louan.me/ FWIW. | bombastry wrote: | If you get the word right on your 6th guess, the game still | counts it as if you lost in the stats. | b3orn wrote: | thx, I'll fix that. | forth_fool wrote: | My attempt to create a German one (slightly different rules from | the original): https://www.waswort.de | ggerganov wrote: | Here is Wordle in Bulgarian: https://wordle-bg.ggerganov.com | | Interesting about it is that I implemented this in C++ and OpenGL | and ported it to web with Emscripten [0], so the page is | basically a WebGL canvas. | | [0] https://github.com/ggerganov/wordle-bg | ftth_finland wrote: | Finnish version: | | https://sanuli.fi | gardaani wrote: | Its implemented in Rust! https://github.com/Cadiac/sanuli | rossdavidh wrote: | I am not impressed until someone makes Gallifreyan (sp?). | sigvef wrote: | Since we are sharing variants in different languages, here's | Norwegian: https://www.fiveletters.xyz/no/five | kseistrup wrote: | #somebodyshould make a danish version... | sprak wrote: | I can modify my swedish one to do danish. Do you know of any | good word lists? For all valid words I can use | /usr/share/dict/danish. But do you know of any list that only | has good clue words? I'm looking for something like | https://scrabbleforening.wordpress.com/ordlister/ord- | med-4-b... but for five letters | kseistrup wrote: | I can easily give you a list of all valid 5-letter words in | Danish. Would that do? | kseistrup wrote: | PS: I'm unsure how the clue thing works? | sprak wrote: | Take the word "lampa". You have versions of the word: | "lampor", "lampan" and so on. The correct word for each | day should only be of the type "lampa". No "bending". | That is the word list that I'm looking for. But you | should be able to guess words that are "bent". Those I | can get from /usr/share/dict/danish | kseistrup wrote: | I'm pretty sure I can give you a list of all 5-letter | Danish words in the "lampa" form, but I need to work on | it because I have to pour them through a filter first, | and then manually inspect the thousands of words | remaining. | | Can we take this conversation to email? You can find my | email address at https://kas.bio.link/ and I'm perfectly | fine if you write in Swedish (if I may reply in Danish). | sprak wrote: | Here is the first attempt: | https://ordlek.github.io/ordlek/dansk/ | | Hope you like it :) | kseistrup wrote: | I do! But it seems somebody beat us to it: https://xn-- | wrdle-vua.dk/ | Mariehane wrote: | There is! It's called wordle.dk :) | kseistrup wrote: | LOL! I love the domain name!! | jaredwiener wrote: | My daily reminder that shkkhty t kl h`bryt shly | ekanes wrote: | Lo ha kol! | bszupnick wrote: | Cool! How does it handle svpyt letters like k /kh? Like totally | separate letters? | | For the non-Hebrew speakers, Hebrew has some letters that change | form when placed at the end of the word. The Hebrew keyboard has | these forms in their own key, but colloquially they're the same | letter. | amitport wrote: | You mean ts / ts p / p k / k | | And it does seem to treat them like totally different letters. | They are the same though I'm not sure what will be more fun to | play. Note that Hebrew has fewer letters to begin with (22 not | counting those). | puttycat wrote: | OP here. We actually count them as the same letter for | "yellow" boxes, only the keyboard separates them into | different keys (this is explained in the help screen). | amitport wrote: | Oh sorry, I thought it didn't get selected... | harel wrote: | Never played the English version, but failed miserably in the | Hebrew one. | sharikous wrote: | The name reminds me of Yiddish spelling (`l for "el/le"). I think | in Israel this specific spelling is out of fashion (but it's nice | to see it) | | Is it to be pronounced "wordale"? | golemiprague wrote: | nanna wrote: | Cool. Is the source code up? How easy would it be to extend to | other RTL languages like Yiddish, Farsi and Arabic? | james-redwood wrote: | Once you have the RTL most of your problems are solved, but I | think it may be a problem with Perso-Arabic alphabets as letter | forms change depending on the letters around it as they link | into a single word, almost like cursive. I don't think the | concept would translate well into languages that use that. | kseistrup wrote: | Thanks! | | I only know the very little hebrew that I learned a looong time | ago while volunteering in a kibbutz, but I managed to guess | today's word in 5 guesses: | https://twitter.com/kseistrup/status/1483869736014393352 | angryGhost wrote: | has this game suddenly gained popularity or something? | Kiro wrote: | How is it possible to have missed the Wordle mania? It has | infected all layers of my social circle. I love it. | Zircom wrote: | Just another anecdote but HN is the actually only place I've | seen it mentioned personally | detritus wrote: | It's been all over the newspaper media here in the UK | recently, and I'd had it shared a few times back in | [November?] from my circle of friends. Me being me, I | ignored it until it was posted here... . | mankyd wrote: | Very much so: | https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/technology/wordle-word-ga... | contravariant wrote: | Curious why this particular instance became popular. Or was | it only the Netherlands where this game formed the basis for | a famous gameshow? | qwertygnu wrote: | In the US, we had Lingo - a game show with almost an | identical premise that ran from 1987-2011. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingo_(American_game_show) | nerevarthelame wrote: | I'm not familiar with previous versions, but I do think one | big reason this one succeeded is the easy ability to share | your results (through a simple copy/paste) without sharing | specific guesses through emojis, which helped virality. | | HN doesn't display them correctly, but one example: | https://res.cloudinary.com/graham-media- | group/image/upload/f... | Kiro wrote: | Also the fact that it's one word a day, same for | everyone, so people have a habit of doing the daily word | and sharing it. It creates a community feeling. I often | discuss the word with my friends like "what word did you | start with?" etc after seeing their emojis. | | The endless-mode Wordle copycats are just not fun and | miss the whole point. I want to do _the_ word and move on | with my day, as part of a daily ritual. | macintux wrote: | Also helpful: the clean, minimalistic yet helpful | interface, and most importantly _no ads_. | schnevets wrote: | Let's not forget no sign-up/authentication. The session | is stored locally, so you keep your stats as long as you | use the same phone/browser each day. | | Interestingly, this lean design also means the answer is | stored locally, but as one commenter observed "Anyone | pointing this out would have their mind blown when they | learned the newspaper jumble and the answers in the | corner upside-down" | | These decisions would be terrible for a competitive game | where folks are striving to top the HIGH SCORE tables, | but are smart for an approachable little daily routine. | Hamuko wrote: | Note that the game actually works off of local time, so | you might actually have a different word than someone | else even if you play at the same time. As soon as it | hits 00:00 where you are, it switches to the next | predetermined word. | [deleted] | mikepurvis wrote: | My favourite Wordle thing is still the adversarial one, by the | creator of Hatetris: | | https://qntm.org/files/wordle/index.html | Bootvis wrote: | I wonder whether it is maximally adversarial. | | SPOILER | | At first I tried to solve starting with 'raise'. This led me | down a path were I got words that fit '_ o _ _ y' which fits | way too many words. I managed to solve it in 6 words by | following a different strategy: Open up with 'lysin', this | gives zero hits and then I played more standard which was easy | because I didn't end up in a situation where I can't | distinguish between options. | mikepurvis wrote: | I also ended up in the '_ o _ _ y' scenario, which for me | terminated at JOLLY, but I wonder if there's something about | applying "standard" Wordle strategies to the adversarial | version that seems to lead people down this road. | evouga wrote: | It's probably not as-adversarial-as-possible in the sense of | maximizing the minimum number of guesses to win. From playing | in an ad hoc way I found TINES->BOARD->LUMPY->CLUCK->FLUFF | which wins in 5 moves. I feel like an even harder variant | would "herd" you towards cases where you're forced to guess | consonants one or two at a time. | 3np wrote: | In that scenario, it can be helpful to try words that you | know will fail, just to exhaust more unused letters in one | guess. | Bootvis wrote: | True, but I feel that is not in the spirit of the game. | jerf wrote: | I think the "problem" is that with decent play, the space | of valid words simply isn't big enough for a game to drag | out very long. The space of English words is in the tens | of thousands, which is only 15-ish bits, and every guess | is quite a few bit's worth of info (varies depending on | what you put in, but with good guessing it's quite a | few). As the author says, about the worst case you can | get into is having all but one letter correct, for some | letter that can be many different letters. But a decent | player just isn't going to get the sort of quality | adversarial gameplay you can get from Hatetris or | something. The Wordle challenge is in getting it in 5, | and even that isn't that hard for a casual word game | enthusiast. | echelon wrote: | This HN poster had the same idea: | | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29864418 | [deleted] | compsciphd wrote: | I see your hebrew wordle and raise you yiddish wordle | https://www.jiconway.com/vertl/ | amitport wrote: | Oy vey | mbg721 wrote: | Thank you for being a mensch. | josh_fyi wrote: | And yet another Yiddish Wordle! | https://greenwichmeanti.me/wordle/ | nanna wrote: | Fantastish! | pedrosorio wrote: | Portuguese: https://term.ooo/ | drorco wrote: | I think this won't work so well in Hebrew. As an example, | _SPOILER ALERT_ , Today's word starts in b, and when I try to | think of words starting in b, I'm constantly thinking of words | where "b" acts as the "in-" prefix for a word. I think in English | this never happens as unlike Hebrew, I can't think of a letter | than can act as a meaningful prefix. | | *SPOILER for today's Wordle* *** *** Eventually, today's word is | bhkhlt in which b can be considered as a prefix since b-hkhlt -- | "in decisiveness". ** ** ***** | jerf wrote: | "I think in English this never happens as unlike Hebrew, I | can't think of a letter than can act as a meaningful prefix." | | a on its own can be a few different prefixes: | https://www.etymonline.com/word/a-?ref=etymonline_crossrefer... | Many of the examples cited in that will strike a modern English | speaker as simply being the word, such as "amethyst" which was | news to me, but we have moral -> amoral, sexual -> asexual, and | a few others. | | I certainly agree I've never thought of this in the context of | a word game, as opposed to the s suffix which is almost | mandatory in Boggle, for instance. | drorco wrote: | True. "A" does play a similar role. The thing with "A" is | that there are relatively few words where it could be | applied, while in Hebrew, almost every noun and verb I can | think of can have a "b" prefix. | jerf wrote: | I agree totally. I saw this more as an interesting | "natural" word trivia challenge than any disagreement on my | part. | Benlights wrote: | Are we playing a different game? By me the word starts with a | "m" | drorco wrote: | Interesting. My gf gave it a go after I did and she like you | got a word starting with m. | lozenge wrote: | Well, I always think of five letter plurals that end in S, even | when I know there is no S in that position. | drorco wrote: | True, but in English I think this is more of a suffix thing, | for example you can have words like "soft"->"softly", | "poll->polls". I think this effect is much more subtle when | this happens with a suffix rather than a prefix. | siltpotato wrote: ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-01-19 23:01 UTC)