[HN Gopher] A tour to my Zettelkasten note clusters
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       A tour to my Zettelkasten note clusters
        
       Author : tslmy
       Score  : 143 points
       Date   : 2022-01-19 16:42 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | oxff wrote:
       | I will always run into these threads to state that: these tools
       | will not help you until you yourself have organized your
       | thoughts! You can't have messy idea of a subject topic or some
       | category of ideas and "just" use Zettelkasten or some other
       | method or tool to unfuck it.
       | 
       | And now when that's done, I just use a set of markdown files and
       | some kind of Zettelkasten indexing system.
       | 
       | e. also this graph understanding of ZK is misunderstood way to do
       | ZK.
        
       | tomerbd wrote:
       | Do you actually read the notes you write in obsidian or is it
       | just a waste of time?
        
         | tslmy wrote:
         | I do. Many posts on my blog (https://lmy.medium.com/) are
         | brainchildren from those notes.
        
       | softwarebeware wrote:
       | Thanks for the article! It's interesting to see how your notes
       | cluster and what you can glean from them. I have a single file,
       | people.md, that I keep important notes about 1-on-1's I've had
       | with others in.
       | 
       | Also: I'm a big fan of customized personal note-taking using open
       | standards. I didn't intend to do this, but somehow over time I
       | ended up rolling my own note-taking approach and "software" (if
       | you can call a shell script that) which is too lightweight to
       | have any kind of visualization piece. If you're interested in
       | reading about that journey, it's found at
       | https://dev.to/scottshipp/an-amazing-note-taking-system-with...
        
       | xenodium wrote:
       | Org mode is very dear in this space (to us Emacs users anyway).
       | I'm an iPhone user and was missing quick access to my content
       | (view/add/edit) while on the go. Org is a rich markup, but I've
       | been slowly chipping at my own iOS app with https://plainorg.com.
       | 
       | Compared to markdown, our non-Emacs org options are few but here
       | are others I know about:
       | 
       | https://beorg.app
       | 
       | https://braintool.org
       | 
       | https://flathabits.com (I author this one too)
       | 
       | https://organice.200ok.ch
       | 
       | https://orgro.org
       | 
       | http://orgzly.com
       | 
       | Karl Voit also has a great effort going to advocate org outside
       | of Emacs and documents some of the tools at
       | https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Tool...
       | 
       | edit: formatting
        
         | tconfrey wrote:
         | Worth mentioning here that LogSeq can work with markdown _or_
         | org-mode files. In my personal setup one of my LogSeq nodes
         | points to my BrainTool.org file which holds all my bookmarks,
         | web-resource pointers and associated notes. This way I can
         | bounce between working in Chrome, emacs and LogSeq all
         | referencing the same underlying data model. (With Orgzly for a
         | read-only view on my phone.)
         | 
         | See also org-roam (https://www.orgroam.com/) - an emacs-native
         | bidirectional linking PKM solution.
        
           | sp33der89 wrote:
           | Love the org support in LogSeq! Probably the deciding factor
           | why I chose it over Dendron(which is great as well).
           | 
           | LogSeq also has experimental Android support:
           | https://github.com/logseq/logseq/releases/tag/0.5.8
        
             | 1MachineElf wrote:
             | Thank you so much for pointing out upcoming Android
             | support! That's a huge factor for me.
             | 
             | Which of those downloads is an Android app? I didn't see an
             | APK, which is usually how they come.
             | 
             | Edit: Nevermind. I see they link to the nightly release
             | where a working version can be obtained[0]. Running it now.
             | 
             | [0] https://github.com/logseq/logseq/releases/tag/nightly
        
       | drcode wrote:
       | How useful to people find these "cluster graphs" to be, which are
       | so popular in zettelkasten/pkms systems? It seems to me it would,
       | instead, be more helpful to just have a table of the most
       | connected nodes, sorted by # of connections.
        
       | chaoz_ wrote:
       | Interesting idea with "Personal CRM". Do you feel like it helped
       | to improve your relationship with close friends or family?
        
       | bikingbismuth wrote:
       | This reminds me of my personal Wiki that I use to keep track of
       | information at work (I also use Obsidian for this). I start a
       | daily note in the morning and write everything in there until the
       | end of the day, where I have some time set aside to chopping up
       | the information into the appropriate pages. It took a bit for
       | this system to pay off, but when I was writing employee reviews
       | and co-worker feedback, it was almost effortless. I have started
       | to accumulate a critical mass of information that is giving me
       | little hints of insights I hope to be able to leverage this year.
       | 
       | I am still working on actually implementing a personal ZK system
       | in Obsidian or on paper (I am looking forward to Scott Scheper's
       | book about Antinets). I manage people and write software for a
       | living, but I don't really write articles or papers (which ZK
       | seems a good fit for). I just finished "How to Take Smart Notes"
       | by Sonke Ahrens, and it has inspired me to take another pass at
       | starting a ZK for the benefits of greater understanding and
       | insight about the variety of topics I read about.
        
         | nja wrote:
         | > until the end of the day, where I have some time set aside to
         | chopping up the information into the appropriate pages
         | 
         | Your way of working sounds wonderful, but I find that I would
         | probably struggle with this part. How are you able to define
         | the end of your day and ensure you have such time marked off? I
         | have tried this but always end up getting sucked into endless
         | other issues/problems/etc and basically passing out at some
         | point, only to wake up the next day to dive right in -- no time
         | to be able to do that sort of retrospective note-munging...
         | 
         | (this is not exclusive to trying to find retrospective time; it
         | applies to things like finding time for food/dinner, blocking
         | out vacation time, or other things, too. work never ends!!)
        
           | pseudoramble wrote:
           | Not OP, but I feel compelled to answer. I have lots of my own
           | thoughts and feelings on the topic. I'll leave it at two
           | framing thoughts:
           | 
           | If you literally can't find time to eat, how will you even be
           | able to function to execute work, let alone anything higher
           | level than that? I know you probably didn't mean literally no
           | time to eat, but my broad point is how can you work hard
           | indefinitely without caring about your physical self
           | reliably?
           | 
           | If your workload will never end, what exactly are you racing
           | against by working as hard as you can every day? Even if you
           | 100% everything for one day, you're guaranteed to have just
           | as much or more the next day, right? What are you gaining by
           | battling every day until you give out?
        
           | tra3 wrote:
           | You gotta schedule it. I do it first thing in the morning, I
           | have a template checklist that goes through everything so I
           | don't have to think:
           | 
           | - [ ] write for 5 minutes
           | 
           | - [ ] check inbox
           | 
           | - [ ] process yesterday
           | 
           | - [ ] schedule today
        
           | edu wrote:
           | Sorry about being snarky, but you had time to post this
           | comment.
        
       | lornajane wrote:
       | I'm a big fan of the evergreen note-taking approach, but my
       | diagram is nothing like as pretty as this one. Apparently I don't
       | link between pages much.
        
         | tslmy wrote:
         | There's no such thing as "pretty diagrams", lornajane. I
         | believe you simply has boarder interests in life which
         | inherently make inter-links less realistic.
        
         | ar_lan wrote:
         | Aren't Evergreen notes effectively just the Zettelkasten?
        
       | uptownfunk wrote:
       | Capturing notes in a decent UI seems to be a solved problem and
       | there are a lot of tools out there for the job. Searching through
       | a lot of notes also seems to be a solved problem.
       | 
       | However, the structured organization of a large collection of
       | notes (think thousands to tens of thousands of notecards in
       | boxes..) as well as the finding connections between seemingly
       | unrelated notes doesn't seem to be a solved problem. Does anyone
       | know of any solutions in this space? Zettelkasten (per my
       | understanding) seems to make this manual on part of the note-
       | taker, but (1) this is super time consuming and (2) very hard to
       | keep track of all the note cards as the collection grows over
       | time.
        
         | etherio wrote:
         | I'm trying to do that with a new project that uses Natural
         | Language Processing. (see gif at
         | https://twitter.com/uzpg_/status/1483140905943146502)
         | 
         | Basically it generates an automated graph of relations between
         | your notes and tries to find which "ideas" group them.
         | 
         | I'll probably post the Show HN soon once I make it public!
        
           | uptownfunk wrote:
           | Cool! I really think this could be huge. Finding connections
           | between ideas is basically the genesis of innovation. Would
           | be very interested to see/learn about your approach.
        
         | stephendause wrote:
         | I think part of the point of Zettelkasten is that by manually
         | making the links yourself, you are forming the associations in
         | your brain, which is part of the learning, thinking, and
         | remembering process.
         | 
         | I am just now learning about it from the book How to Take Smart
         | Notes, so I could be off, but that's part of the idea. With
         | that said, I think what you suggest could possibly be a cool
         | supplement or replacement.
        
           | Jeff_Brown wrote:
           | I maintain an offensively big knowledge graph, and I feel
           | like you're both right -- building those connections manually
           | is both mind-expanding and somewhat labor intensive.
           | 
           | If I have a conversation with X and discover they're an
           | expert about Y, learning fact Z, I like to record Z as a
           | file, and link it to both X and Y. That forces me to keep X
           | and Y as entities in the graph. Which, if I care about them,
           | is worth doing.
           | 
           | The real beauty of making those connections is the act of
           | classifying something can cause you to explicitly recognize
           | what concepts it is related to, and formulate precisely what
           | the connection is.
           | 
           | The real pain point is knowing what your future self will
           | wish your past self kept a file on. Some ideas (generally
           | more social science-related ones, but also something like a
           | bug involving the interaction of a lot of disparate
           | technologies) are so cross-cutting that I'd need to make five
           | parent concepts to file them "completely", and often then I'd
           | like to file those parent concepts further. I generally
           | don't.
        
             | Jeff_Brown wrote:
             | I used to use Semantic Synchrony, for which the creation
             | and linking processes are much faster. Every little
             | keypress counts. My SmSn graph is as a result much more
             | connected than my org-roam graph. I still refer to it, but
             | try not to build it out much, because the Git review
             | process is so time consuming. For me org-roam's killer
             | feature is that version control is so easy.
        
       | supperburg wrote:
        
         | beepbooptheory wrote:
        
           | supperburg wrote:
        
         | smegsicle wrote:
         | In the US, karaoke exists as a form of standup comedy.
        
         | tslmy wrote:
         | I'm very confused. Karaoke definitely exists in China. Maybe
         | they go by a different name: KTVs.
         | 
         | Yes. Stand-up comedies are also huge in China:
         | 
         | - "Single-standing Comedy" in Beijing:
         | http://www.danlirencomedy.cn/ and
         | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeN0myzkjm2BDjaBZ5C3Qng
         | 
         | - "No-name Comedy" in Nanjing: https://www.wumingxiju.com/
         | 
         | - Fun Factory in Shanghai:
         | https://www.linkedin.com/company/%E4%B8%8A%E6%B5%B7%E7%AC%91...
         | 
         | Cunningham's law at work.
        
           | supperburg wrote:
        
       | hadjian wrote:
       | I use org-mode, just FYI. I was wondering however: everyone
       | shares how they store things, but how often or even how do you
       | query your knowledge base?
       | 
       | There are often tips for creating habit to write down things ,,at
       | the end of the day" or such. But can anyone describe some habits
       | when to consume this stuff? I'd be interested. Thx.
        
         | galfarragem wrote:
         | I'll bite. My answer to the "Million dollar question": _How to
         | make useful notes?_
         | 
         | - Notes are not "write-only": progressively summarize and tree-
         | shake your notes each time you iterate them. You'll leverage
         | your excitement instead of forcing discipline.
         | 
         | - Ideally, notes are organized by project, not by category. It
         | can be a catalyst for action and reviews.
         | 
         | - Only store things that surprise you, not stuff you already
         | know.
        
           | programmer_dude wrote:
           | Some things you "know" today may surprise you "tomorrow". I
           | have a massive collection of notes. I am constantly surprised
           | by what I used to know and how much I have forgotten. Such is
           | life I guess.
        
         | bachmeier wrote:
         | I'm using PouchDB to query the small stuff that comes at me
         | during the day like tasks, links, reminders, etc. One simple
         | html file plus a little Javascript (even I can write that) is
         | all it takes. I've tried more elaborate approaches, but they
         | never lasted.
        
         | hadjian wrote:
         | Thanks for the answers. I think I realize that there is a
         | difference between a todo list (have to do it) and a knowledge
         | base (let's organize what I've learned).
         | 
         | The former I also do with org-mode and then use the archiving
         | feature for things I put to DONE.
         | 
         | I oftentimes do the latter, but don't actually use it that
         | often. In college, I used to summarize text-books, which helped
         | me memorize my learnings. After finishing the book, by chapter
         | summary served as a shorter version of the book. Was quite
         | effective.
         | 
         | Haven't been successful in replicating this for work, though.
        
         | tconfrey wrote:
         | I've also been a plain emacs then org-mode note taker for a
         | number of years. I keep a log.org file with dated items
         | containing notes from meetings and major project actions of the
         | day. I generally have my laptop open during meetings making
         | notes in realtime. After a meeting, or whenever, I'll tag
         | things and note any follow ups, TODOs or things to remember.
         | 
         | I have a terrible memory for proper nouns but I can generally
         | remember enough context so that a quick backward search in my
         | notes buffer can get me back to the name of the person, team,
         | customer, project, action item etc that I'm looking for. (EG it
         | probably has this tag, or it came up during my meeting with
         | Riley, or last Monday, or during the sprint planning meeting
         | etc). I'm now fast enough at this that I can often start
         | talking and do a search in time to mention the 'thing' by the
         | time I need to refer to it.
         | 
         | I see this model as somewhat different than the more
         | reflective, bi-directional link driven, PKM tools being
         | discussed here. Its a great feeder into such a system (IMO)
         | where more active curation can take place. Plus even if there's
         | never any curation I still have all my todo's, calendaring etc
         | accessible to org's agenda features!
        
         | reidjs wrote:
         | You need to pick a directory/file structure that works for you.
         | Some people (including myself in the past) use a massive single
         | append only markdown file, so querying is as easy as CMD + F.
         | 
         | I realized I was almost never editing/updating old notes within
         | the massive append-only file, so now I have a at-most-one-
         | folder-deep directory with somewhat descriptive file names. I
         | still have some append-only type files, mainly in the form of
         | logs. If I can't think of a name for the file, I just name it
         | with today's date and try to put it into the "best" folder.
         | Sometimes it's ambiguous where the best place is, so I usually
         | put these files in the root directory until they make sense to
         | put somewhere else.
        
       | choward wrote:
       | A little of topic but I tried Obsidian out even though it isn't
       | "free" software. I could still use it without the paid features.
       | Then one day I went looking for the source and discovered it
       | wasn't open source. That's when I stopped using it.
       | 
       | There was discussion on open sourcing it but I'm not holding my
       | breath. Does anyone have any additional info on this?
       | 
       | https://forum.obsidian.md/t/open-sourcing-of-obsidian/1515/1...
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23324598
        
         | tslmy wrote:
         | I am completely unaware of that. Thanks for bringing it up!
         | This may tilt my decision in choosing a note-taking platform.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | black_puppydog wrote:
         | That's the _first_ thing I check for _any_ system that would,
         | if adopted, become a life-long thing. Zettelkasten is supposed
         | to be exactly that: an ever-growing collection of linked notes,
         | growing more useful the longer you stick with it.
         | 
         | I never understood why anyone would accept linking this sort of
         | system to any third party, no matter how sound their business
         | model, no matter how much trust you may put into the
         | individuals running the company.
        
           | groby_b wrote:
           | Slightly different take: OSS is the _second_ thing I check.
           | 
           | The first one is data export. If it's a closed component that
           | still generates value _and I can capture that value via
           | export_ , OSS becomes a tie-breaker between otherwise
           | equivalent tools.
           | 
           | Obsidian is an editor on top of a bunch of markdown files. If
           | they go away, meh. The world is not running out of Markdown
           | text editors. Sync is an add-on feature, so I can sidestep
           | potential privacy concerns there.
           | 
           | A working system always beats waiting for a perfect system.
        
         | jrm4 wrote:
         | FWIW - I'm a huge FOSS guy, but I went ahead and paid for
         | Obsidian because it looked so good and it at least feels as if
         | "saving in pure Markdown" is darn near equivalent, or at least
         | a reasonable non-free alternative experiment; i.e. I'm not sure
         | if this is as good as FOSS, but it's interesting enough for me
         | to throw a few dollars at to see what happens.
         | 
         | In theory, seems like a fine idea. But for, me, in practice, I
         | went back to https://zim-wiki.org (like I pretty much always
         | do.) Not exactly sure what that says about it all, or if it
         | much matters.
         | 
         | One thought though is that Obsidian feels "overloaded," almost
         | as if it wasn't allowed to grow naturally like Zim did?
        
           | rjzzleep wrote:
           | I have used zim in the past, and I didn't like zettelkasten
           | because of the autogenerated magic.
           | 
           | I also just learned about obsidian for the first time in this
           | thread and it looks pretty impressive, but I do agree that
           | the onboarding is a bit hard and all the plugins while
           | impressive are also a bit overwhelming.
           | 
           | But it's interesting that the core plugins including things
           | like slides which is definitely something that is great to
           | have
        
         | Naac wrote:
         | I mentioned this in another comment, but you should check out
         | tiddlywiki[0] with the mind map plugin[1]
         | 
         | [0] https://tiddlywiki.com/
         | 
         | [1] https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap
        
           | drhayes9 wrote:
           | My favorite example of a Zettelkasten in Tiddlywiki is this
           | one: https://zettelkasten.sorenbjornstad.com
           | 
           | The author also has a site called "Grok TiddlyWiki" that
           | helped me tremendously when starting out with TW:
           | https://groktiddlywiki.com/read/
           | 
           | I use TiddlyWiki and love it. Because TW's UI and
           | functionality is based on individual "tiddlers" within the
           | wiki (just like your notes), adding functionality becomes
           | part of the wiki itself -- a fusion I like compared to other
           | plain-text note tools that keep the note-taking and note-
           | storing separate.
        
           | grumblepeet wrote:
           | Can definitely recommend Tiddlywiki. Ive just spent several
           | weeks implementing a mini ZettelKasten using Tiddlywiki. It
           | is created in 'exploded' mode in NodeJS and then a script
           | runs to re-assemble it into a single html file (with the
           | images in a separate folder) and then I push it to GitHub
           | where it is published on to a personal domain. It is visible
           | here: https://chloetiddlykasten.chloegilbert.me
           | 
           | I used the template (TZK) created by Soren Bjornstad to build
           | it.
        
         | Macha wrote:
         | Before I used Obsidian, I used VS code and a folder of markdown
         | notes. In general, if Obsidian went evil, I could take my
         | existing note setup and go back to that, much as I started with
         | it when I used Obsidian. I'd lose some of the nice todo list
         | setup I have but I know I could write a custom program to
         | replicate that and if it bothered me enough I could even figure
         | out how to write VS code plugins.
         | 
         | So while I'd prefer an open source solution, I'm not in a huge
         | rush, though I am keeping an eye on logseq's evolution.
        
           | bachmeier wrote:
           | Logseq is somewhat different from Obsidian, since it's an
           | outliner. IMO Dendron would be a better replacement for
           | Obsidian. Particularly so if you're already using VS Code.
        
         | tekacs wrote:
         | So Logseq [1] is open (AGPLv3), also markdown with no lock in,
         | more powerful in some key ways than Obsidian (it has block
         | links, which I'll let others expound on the benefit of or edit
         | this when I'm at my desk).
         | 
         | The main thing it's lacking for now is good mobile support, for
         | which folks still use Obsidian mobile...
         | 
         | [1]: https://logseq.com/
        
           | Sugimot0 wrote:
           | It's lacking _good_ support for mobile, but the mobile app is
           | usable, and in active development. I use it daily with no
           | issues. It mostly just lacks a no-frills setup for syncing
           | notes on multiple devices, but they are developing a
           | subscription for backup /sync hosted by them (I use
           | syncthing, but others have used iCloud and google drive).
           | 
           | To build on the features mentioned there's also:
           | 
           | - A community marketplace for plugins and themes
           | 
           | - Simple customization and extensibility
           | 
           | - A builtin PDF viewer with highlighting and linking
        
             | nopenopenopeno wrote:
             | The builtin pdf viewer is terrible, though. It doesn't even
             | have search.
        
         | lornajane wrote:
         | This is a really good point, I am using Obsidian but I feel OK
         | about the proprietary-ness of it because at the end of the day,
         | it's a nice tool to read my well-organised folder of markup
         | files with. It's possible I live to regret this ...
        
         | riffic wrote:
         | it doesn't need to be open source for me.
         | 
         | you could look at vscode pkms plugins like Dendron or Foam.
        
         | for_i_in_range wrote:
         | There are other downsides with Obsidian as well. The thought
         | development Luhmann experienced is watered down in the
         | instantiation of Zettelkasten that obsidian provides. If you're
         | interested in an alternative approach, I've been using the
         | Zettelkasten system the way Luhmann did for the past year.
         | Here's a behind the scenes look at writing a book using a
         | physical Zettelkasten: https://youtu.be/fRgIX4azYOs
        
           | igorkraw wrote:
           | Could you be more specific what's missing?
        
             | for_i_in_range wrote:
             | It's not analog (writing by hand and doing things the hard
             | way pays off. It did for Luhmann and continues to do so for
             | many others who use notecards). Second, numeric-alpha
             | addresses per card with strict character count
             | restrictions. Third, tree-like structure for branching
             | thoughts infinitely. Fourth, an index that forces one to
             | neuro-imprint keyterms in their mind to act as cues for
             | thought. All of these create a unique structure Luhmann
             | communicated with. Obsidian = bubbles that connect markdown
             | files. Completely different concept. It's not a
             | zettelkasten even though people have hijacked the term and
             | ensconced it with digital notetaking apps. This is my
             | opinion.
        
               | kd5bjo wrote:
               | Obsidian is just a tool, like notecards are; you set your
               | own process and organization. With the exception of
               | handwriting in place of typing, it's entirely possible to
               | set up an Obsidian workflow with all of the properties
               | you list here.
               | 
               | My Obsidian vault, for example, is organized into 2
               | parts: Ad-hoc notes and an organized zettelkasten. This
               | latter part is a single flat directory with Luhmann-style
               | alphanumeric hierarchical addresses as file names. My
               | first task every day is to split up the previous day's
               | ad-hoc notes and file them in the zettelkasten, which
               | naturally leads to a review of the existing material as I
               | look for the proper place in the sequence.
        
         | thi2 wrote:
         | Is there an opensource/selfhosted alternative to obsidian?
        
           | Naac wrote:
           | You should take a look at tiddlywiki, which has a mind map
           | plugin[0]
           | 
           | [0] https://github.com/felixhayashi/TW5-TiddlyMap
        
           | McSido wrote:
           | It might not be a direct alternative, since it's not using
           | markdown files directly, but I really like Trilium notes
           | (https://github.com/zadam/trilium).
           | 
           | It's open source, you can selfhost it and you can write your
           | own scripts in JS to really make it your own.
        
         | nopenopenopeno wrote:
         | I didn't like moving to Obsidian from Joplin for this reason,
         | but Obsidian is so much more useable because it stores
         | everything in a regular file hierarchy. It also has a better
         | UI. And above all, I absolutely hate Joplin's "every note is a
         | folder" approach.
        
           | deckard1 wrote:
           | > absolutely hate Joplin's "every note is a folder" approach
           | 
           | that's not true. They have notebooks and sub-notebooks, which
           | form a tree on the left. To the right of that is a list of
           | notes within that notebook.
        
             | nopenopenopeno wrote:
             | The result is the same. Every sub-notebook is a notebook
             | that can contain more sub-notebooks, but there is no such
             | thing as a mere folder that can be placed inside another
             | folder without also creating a confusing space where notes
             | can hide inside the notebook but not alongside its sub-
             | notebooks.
             | 
             | The other way to interpret it is just a very poorly planned
             | UI that uses separate panes to list folders and notes that
             | are located in the same hierarchy position. Either way,
             | it's madness.
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | That bothers me, too. On the other hand, I haven't found a good
         | Free replacement for it, and there's zero lock-in: its database
         | is just a folder of Markdown files. If it stopped working
         | tomorrow, I'd still have all of my content in a convenient
         | format, ready to start using with another app.
        
           | npretto wrote:
           | There's also obsidian-export[1] that converts the few things
           | that are not plain markdown (`[[links]` and `![[links]]`).
           | 
           | To be honest, obsidian not being open source doesn't bother
           | me too much, what is important to me is that I own the data
           | and that it is in a fairly common format so i can move it to
           | another software in 10 years. An open source software with a
           | weird binary format to save the data will probably do more
           | harm in the long term
           | 
           | [1] https://crates.io/crates/obsidian-export
        
             | kstrauser wrote:
             | Same for me. I wrote a little Python script to copy my
             | Obsidian files into a set of Hugo files, then publish them.
             | Proprietary or not, it's so easy to work with the files
             | that things like this are possible. It's _my_ data in my
             | favorite format, ready for use with all the existing text
             | manipulation goodies I already know. There 's not much to
             | improve on there.
             | 
             | Plug: I wrote a couple of other scripts and put them on
             | GitHub[1]. If you use Drafts and its "Quick Journaling"
             | action group[2], then `process-notes` will look awfully
             | familiar.
             | 
             | [1] https://github.com/kstrauser/glassknife [2]
             | https://actions.getdrafts.com/g/1Sd
        
         | edu wrote:
         | You could try Dendron [1], a VS Code extension similar to
         | Obsidian, and in some ways more powerful (schemas for data).
         | 
         | 1. https://www.dendron.so/
        
         | chrisweekly wrote:
         | Athens Research (an OSS "clone" - sort of - of Roam Research)
         | might check all your boxes. I love Obsidian.
        
       | kiba wrote:
       | I would be interested in the random sample of these notes. It
       | felt like the author gave a guided tour of the house without
       | somehow showing the rooms.
        
         | justusthane wrote:
         | Likewise. I've tried and failed to pick up Zettelkasten, mostly
         | because I can't really grok the idea of atomic notes and what
         | they're supposed to look like. I'd love to see someone else's.
        
           | input_sh wrote:
           | This one usually gets thrown around as a good example:
           | https://notes.andymatuschak.org/About_these_notes
           | 
           | Here if you want more:
           | https://github.com/KasperZutterman/Second-Brain
        
           | kstrauser wrote:
           | I've read "Taking Smart Notes", and Zettelkasten seems like
           | an amazing solution for a problem I don't have. It seems to
           | be geared around writing longer works out of notes you
           | collect, and if I were doing that, I think I'd be all-in on
           | Zettelkasten. But I'm not. A wiki-like setup is far more
           | valuable to me.
           | 
           | I have a daily note with "Work" and "Personal" sections. As I
           | go through the day, I add entries in those sections:
           | 
           | - Worked on the [[Foo project]] with [[Joe]]
           | 
           | - Called [[Mom]] and asked her about the [[Meatloaf recipe]]
           | 
           | - Helped [[Jane]] with the [[Qux problem]]
           | 
           | This morning it's very easy to see what I was doing
           | yesterday, and have the context for all the mischief I was up
           | to. Also, when I open "Foo project" and look at its
           | backlinks, I get a timeline of when I'd worked on it, and can
           | see what other things I was working on at the same time.
           | Being able to instantly recreate that context is incredibly
           | valuable, and it's very lightweight for me. I'm not going out
           | of my way to associate "Foo project" with "Joe", but still
           | end up with a graph view that has a lot of notes linking to
           | both of those notes.
        
         | tslmy wrote:
         | Good idea, kiba! I might do that for my next post.
        
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