[HN Gopher] Guess the daily Wordle in one try using the tweet di...
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Guess the daily Wordle in one try using the tweet distribution
Author : benhamner
Score : 408 points
Date : 2022-01-27 15:11 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.kaggle.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.kaggle.com)
| jonny_eh wrote:
| This is your regular reminder that today's word, and all the
| upcoming ones, are located in the Wordle minified JS.
| yen223 wrote:
| It's too easy to cheat at Wordle, even if you don't know what
| html/javascript is. Just open a new browser, solve it there,
| and enter the solution in your main browser.
|
| In the age of intrusive anti-cheat software and byzantine
| security measures, the fact that Wordle doesn't attempt to
| prevent cheating is something I find weirdly charming.
| lkbm wrote:
| Yes, we know. We can also easily "solve" a crossword puzzle by
| waiting a day and just copying down the published answers.
|
| People are having fun solving puzzles in clever ways. This post
| is an exceptionally clever way of solving a puzzle in an
| unexpected way, using forensic data analysis, which is itself
| something of interest to a lot of us.
| geenew wrote:
| "The maximum amount of time I take to complete any given
| crossword puzzle is one day."
| jonny_eh wrote:
| I know that, I'm just pointing out another clever way to
| solve today's puzzle :)
| ghostly_s wrote:
| The point is it's not clever at all.
| thechriswalker wrote:
| Shameless plug, but I built a site to do this the other way
| around.
|
| Enter a 5 letter word and it'll tell you the next the it will
| be the wordle solution.
|
| https://atom.7r.pm/whendl/
| databased wrote:
| Yep, you can try https://wordhoot.com if knowing the answers
| are accessible somehow decreases your enjoyment of the game.
| not2b wrote:
| You can guess it in one try by carefully reading the code. There
| is no server that knows the correct answer. The client already
| knows, based on the date. That is why you can only play once per
| day.
| zamadatix wrote:
| As already explained by carefully reading the opening of the
| post.
| guipsp wrote:
| Yes, but there's no fun in that
| echeese wrote:
| Where's the challenge in that?
| klyrs wrote:
| Reading the minified code, probably.
| rkimb wrote:
| It's a giant array, tough to miss
| ska wrote:
| That's not really guessing though, is it?
| gojomo wrote:
| Thanks, Captain Kirk. You get a commendation for knowing how to
| 'View Source'.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| swatts999 wrote:
| This is super smart. I wonder how many tweets this approach needs
| each day to converge to the correct answer? It would be
| interesting to see some plots vs. num tweets
| hkmaxpro wrote:
| > Note that all of these 243 possibilities aren't valid in
| practice. For example YYYYM will never be seen because if the
| first four letters are correctly placed and the fifth is also in
| the word, it will be correctly placed.
|
| Not true. For example if the correct answer is TWEED and you
| guess TWEET, then you'll get YYYYM.
|
| Edit: As pointed out by two commenters, the actual implementation
| contradicts the following claim in the post:
|
| > "Maybe" - the letter is in the answer but in a different
| position
|
| If the correct answer is TWEED and you gess TWEET, you will still
| get YYYYN, because the actual implementation uses a different
| definition of "Maybe" than what is written in the post.
| unholiness wrote:
| I believe in the actual implementation it's correct. You _can_
| confirm a letter is not doubled, when one of the two letters in
| your guess is gray.
| hkmaxpro wrote:
| I only played it occasionally and haven't encountered doubled
| letters, so I don't know what the actual response would be.
| Maybe you're right.
| jacobmischka wrote:
| Posting with such assurance without knowing what the actual
| response would be, lmao. Very on-brand for HN (and myself
| too, honestly).
| hkmaxpro wrote:
| I blindly trusted the post's claim that "Maybe" means
| "the letter is in the answer but in a different
| position". If you use that definition, you'll arrive at
| the same conclusion.
|
| The post should be updated with the correct definition.
| [deleted]
| KeytarHero wrote:
| > if the correct answer is TWEED and you guess TWEET, then
| you'll get YYYYM
|
| No, this would give YYYYN
| hkmaxpro wrote:
| If Yellow/"Maybe" really means "the letter is in the answer
| but in a different position", then the final T satisfies this
| definition.
|
| Another commenter points out the actual implementation may
| deviate from this definition though.
| KeytarHero wrote:
| Try TWEET in today's Wordle and you'll see what I mean
| hkmaxpro wrote:
| I agree with you. The first E gives a "Maybe" and the
| second E gives a "No".
|
| A "Maybe" response gives much more information than
| simply "the letter is in the answer but in a different
| position".
| a_t48 wrote:
| :( Spoiled on hacker news, what a world
| nerdjon wrote:
| I like the idea of worldle
|
| But I hate that any guesses have to be words in its dictionary.
|
| As someone who was never really a fan of crosswords, the need to
| find a real word that fits 5 letters every time severely limits
| how I can enjoy it.
| cyborgx7 wrote:
| Seems like you'd be more interested in Master Mind.
|
| Here is an implementation from the great Simon Tatham's
| Portable Puzzle Collection:
|
| https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/gues...
| beepbooptheory wrote:
| This is brilliant and something I had the intuition was possible,
| just couldn't put it all together myself. What was missing, I
| think, in my thought process was just taking into account the
| general common occurrence of words in English in general. Plus
| how to deal with static.
|
| Just so cool someone put this together, major props.
| smaudet wrote:
| del_operator wrote:
| Two or three guesses with Wordle using the ETAOIN SHRDLU I
| learned doing cryptopals has been very effective at reaching a
| solution.
|
| I usually have a first guess like SAINT then something like
| SCARE, CORED, etc eliminating vowels and frequent constants while
| also considering the most likely sequencing of matched characters
| or remaining characters.
|
| Also eliminating S, T, C really reveals there's no TH, SH, SP,
| CK, etc and is one factor that gets me suspicious of repeated
| chars or rarer k, g and x combos.
| jeffchien wrote:
| Waiting for a bot that guesses based on Google Trends:
|
| * Wordle 218: https://i.imgur.com/PbYfLm6.jpg * Wordle 221:
| https://i.imgur.com/pTPbquL.jpg
| srcreigh wrote:
| My favourite part of this is accounting for some fake grids.
|
| Kudos! I have been so curious lately as to whether this was
| possible.
|
| EDIT: The next question is which (if any) of these signals can be
| removed and still get it in 1 guess. Or if there are any other
| signals. Or how many tweets are needed (is 50 enough? 10? or
| 1000? 10k?)
| benhamner wrote:
| This uses ~2-3k tweets per day for most days, which seems to be
| more than enough. According to
| https://twitter.com/WordleStats/status/1486021209015963649
| there's about 250k daily tweets per Wordle right now, so this
| is about a 1% sample coming from whatever the Twitter search
| API returned when I ran that query.
|
| The simulated distributions it's comparing to are based on 1000
| runs per 5-letter word.
|
| Anecdotally, 250 was enough to get it working for those
| simulated distributions, 100 and below it became increasingly
| noisier. A higher N would be nice, but I didn't spend more time
| optimizing the performance for the simulation code beyond what
| was needed to get this working.
| bscphil wrote:
| This is a cool project, but I wanted to tell you that your
| evaluate_guess function is wrong.
| evaluate_guess(answer="crest", guess="erase") "MYNYM"
|
| Many people misunderstand this but it's not how the rules
| actually work. Correct here would be MYNYN, because there is
| only one E in the correct answer. There must be a 1-1
| correspondence between any 'M' letter in the guess and the
| letter in the answer. This is similar to the rules for the
| game "Mastermind".
| Scaevolus wrote:
| If you want to get even more tweets, you could use twitter's
| streaming API with the keyword "Wordle":
| http://adilmoujahid.com/posts/2014/07/twitter-analytics/
|
| It should allow capturing a significant fraction of the 250k
| daily wordle tweets.
| gojomo wrote:
| Besides eliminating the superficially-impossible rows (like
| `YYYYM`), does it do anything against more-sophisticated
| chaffing, like one or more accounts posting possible-but-
| inaccurate hint grids pointing at an alternate answer?
| not2b wrote:
| As the article explains, a grid containing, say, GGYGG, is
| fake. Finding more complex fakery is more difficult.
|
| (Edit: drat, HN filters out the Unicode colored-block
| characters).
| codeflo wrote:
| I wonder what percentage of these Twitter posts are fake ("OMG so
| lucky LOL").
| madcow2011 wrote:
| This is genius. I love it.
| mtoner23 wrote:
| Amazing, what a brilliant idea
| rogerallen wrote:
| SPOILER ALERT: shows today's answer!
| benhamner wrote:
| Sorry about that! Just updated so today's guess is hidden by
| default (and you can click-to-unveil)
| rogerallen wrote:
| Thank you!
| G650 wrote:
| very nice. Thanks
| faeyanpiraat wrote:
| What is Wordle?
| WordHoot wrote:
| It is a word guessing game. You can find it at
| https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/. If you can also check
| out https://wordhoot.com if you like this kind of game.
| jcpham2 wrote:
| Thanks for this
| bushbaba wrote:
| Guess the daily wordle by inspecting source code...yes every word
| is hard coded in the JavaScript in calendar order
| jaredsohn wrote:
| Or use incognito for your first attempt at the puzzle and then
| redo it how you want in your normal account.
| thamer wrote:
| Or open your browser's dev tools and type:
| $('game-app').solution
| Karunamon wrote:
| Very cool!
|
| One minor improvement here; if the user has toggled colorblind
| mode on, then their tweeted result will also have altered color
| blocks. Orange for right letter right place, and blue for right
| letter wrong place.
| evandale wrote:
| That's a really neat attention to detail! I haven't seen the
| colourblind boxes.
| freeslave wrote:
| Cool but don't read all the way if you haven't done today's
| Wordle!
| benhamner wrote:
| Sorry about that! Just updated so today's guess is hidden by
| default (and you can click-to-unveil)
| rkimb wrote:
| This is a really cool approach, definitely did not think of
| trying this! If you'd prefer to play without the crowdsourced
| data, I spent a couple hours on the following dictionary search
| algo yesterday which can typically solve puzzles in 3-4 guesses:
| https://github.com/rgkimball/wordlebot
| Txoko wrote:
| Hperwordle works for me It defines the usable letters right on
| your keyboard.
| Txoko wrote:
| Hyperwordle defined the usable letters right on your keyboard.
| Thanks!
| siruva07 wrote:
| This is the HN I'm here for. Brilliant.
| csours wrote:
| My metagame is guessing my friend's guesses.
| tedd4u wrote:
| Glad to hear I am not the only one squandering my time doing
| this :) Might be a fun program to write. I find it's often hard
| to guess more than the line prior to the win.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I always lead with STOAE so people don't have issues guessing
| my first one at least. I also tend to follow with UNLID if
| STOAE has zero or one hits.
| csours wrote:
| ARTSY MODEL CHUNK here. It's not optimal, but it is pleasing
| to me in an aesthetic sense.
| nathancahill wrote:
| STEAM HOUND has been a winner for me.
| balls187 wrote:
| I vary up my starting words to keep things interesting.
|
| Common ones for me are: MEATY, BISON, CHUMP, GROUP
|
| From yesterday's post on the state of the art, I tried
| SALET, but still took me 4 tries to get today's wordle.
| jameshart wrote:
| If you stick with one starting word, and that word is in
| the set of possible Wordle answers, then some day, one
| day, if you keep playing forever, you are guaranteed to
| get that magical 1/6.
|
| This is not _quite_ the same as the lottery-player 's
| fear that they change their lucky numbers and then those
| numbers come up the next week... the lottery has no
| memory, so it really doesn't change your odds when you
| change your numbers. But Wordle's drawing words from a
| finite pool.
|
| Of course, if your go-to starting word is NOT in the set
| (looking at YOU overly optimized people who play crazy
| words like STOAE that are almost certainly not in the
| answer set...) then by sticking with that you're
| guaranteeing you'll never do better than 2/6...
| gs17 wrote:
| I turned on hard mode, and it's really forced me to
| change how I play. You can only really have one "starting
| word" unless you match zero letters.
| function_seven wrote:
| After seeing an asterisk in one of my friends' shares,
| I'm now forced to play on hard mode as well. I can't risk
| the peer-shame of skating on easy mode anymore :)
|
| So that being said, I'm bracing myself for the curses-of-
| early-success this will lead me on. Right now I sometimes
| toss out a completely different word just to cover the
| search space. It has led me to quickly narrow down
| options. Am I screwed if my first guess matches on 2
| letters? (Say, "___ES").
|
| I guess that's why it's called "Hard Mode" to begin with.
| sterlind wrote:
| I've had fun with MUSTH.
| dumbfounder wrote:
| STARE, CHIMP, BLOND or BOUND depending on how many vowels I
| hit. Sometimes FLUNK.
| amrrs wrote:
| Given the situation we are in I start with VIRUS, PEACH
| always
| __d wrote:
| AROSE for me. 5 of the top 6 most-frequent letters. But hard
| mode, so next depends.
| jsmith99 wrote:
| If you know someone always starts with SLATE it makes it
| easier...
| jedberg wrote:
| I start with salet. Same letters but more likely to be in the
| right place.
| [deleted]
| Asraelite wrote:
| What are the " squares taking social media by storm"?
| devoutsalsa wrote:
| It's the text you copy/paste to share your Wordle results on
| social media.
| imadethis wrote:
| Huh, I thought HN stripped out emojis from posts. Has that
| changed, or is there a limited subset that are available?
| zerocrates wrote:
| The black and white squares are in the older Unicode
| "Miscellaneous Symbols and Arrrows" block so I guess they're
| allowed. Several things like that are sort of "retroactively"
| emoji... there's a "display as emoji" or "display as text"
| character you can put after them.
|
| What HN does and doesn't allow seems somewhat arbitrary,
| things like the star emoji are in that same block and yet are
| not allowed as far as I can tell.
| croes wrote:
| Maybe because # is part if ASCII?
|
| Edit: work, the colored ones don't.
| user-the-name wrote:
| It is definitely not part of ASCII.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| and # are different characters. But it looks like HN still
| strips most emoji.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| zwieback wrote:
| That was my question and it's still not answered well here. I
| guess people post the colors that led up to their solution but
| no the actual letters.
|
| Might be good to add it to the original post for clarification.
| I play Wordle but didn't quite get what they were using for
| source data.
| ouid wrote:
| Now someone make an adversarial twitter bot.
| jcpham2 wrote:
| Can someone TL:dr what this Wordless thing is?
| drdeca wrote:
| My understanding (I've never played it) is:
|
| each day there is a 5 letter word. You have a limited number of
| guesses as to what word it is (iirc 6 guesses). When you make a
| guess, it marks each letter with something indicating whether
| the actual word had that letter in that position, whether that
| word has a copy of that letter (and not one you already found),
| or whether that letter does not appear in that word.
|
| All of your guesses have to be words.
|
| In hard mode, all of your guesses have to contain all of the
| letters which you got right in a previous guess.
|
| At the end (if you get the word within 6 guesses?) you are
| given an option to share (on twitter mostly, I think) a
| representation of your game, in a way that doesn't reveal what
| words you guessed or what the final word was, just which
| positions had which of the 3 markings, which, in this share
| feature, are represented using emoji with the colored square
| blocks.
|
| This results in many people posting grids of colored square
| blocks, followed some fraction out of 6.
| dalmo3 wrote:
| TL;DR of the TL;DR: https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/
|
| Seriously, the quickest way to understand it is to just play
| the thing.
| Axien wrote:
| I am trying so hard to not know what Wordle is or how to play.
| Now it is showing up on Hacker News? Damn. I've not had this much
| trouble since I avoided Sudoku.
| [deleted]
| doodpants wrote:
| The "original" Wordle[0] only lets you play once per day, so if
| potential addiction is your concern, it shouldn't be a problem.
| It should take up less than 5 minutes of your time per day.
|
| [0]https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/
| jl6 wrote:
| Lessons to be learned in the field of data anonymization!
| tills13 wrote:
| the point of wordle is to be simple, fun, and social so I don't
| think there's anything further to be learned here.
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